Your experiences of spiritual attacks

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I was curious if anybody wanted to share their experiences that seemed to be spiritual attacks. I may have experienced such things in the past, and that is one reason why I call myself a "generic theist" instead of an atheist. I feel there is something more than the natural world, but I am pretty confused about it - especially now that I lack the Christian metaphysical framework. I suspect these things happen more often than skeptics realize, but those who experience them prefer not to talk openly due to the giggle factor and a desire to forget and return to normalcy afterwards.

Here are some of my questions:
- Was there a warning sign first?
- How did you react?
- How did the experience affect you long-term?

To be honest, this type of thing bothers me, because it adds a lot of uncertainty and confusion to an otherwise tidy naturalistic model of reality.
 
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I find with the unity that souls experience with the trinity, there is a distinction of individual identity in that Jesus is not the Father, Father is not the Holy Spirit, and The Holy Spirit is not Jesus. However, Each of the three are God. This is relevant to the human equation because Jesus prayed about His disciples, may they be one as we are. So in this type of union of "church" each person keeps who they are within the whole.

This is relevant to Spiritual attacks, because in the past, I experienced the energy stream that is common among wiccan and new age and even taoists is indifferent to identity, and the more you use it .. it allows events which can be interpreted as "attacks" .. however, since becoming part of this whole, you are a nameless cell in the same body, sharing the same resources and when the body of this energy union is deficient, there is a global adjustment, each member paying the same amount of damage. So, some might not notice, and others might more notice depending on how much of a cushion you have.

In becoming part of a whole, there are implied agreements, there is no contract to sign. By using the services, you become obligated to the terms and conditions of that collective organism's reality.
 
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Well, I bought this apartment some 10 + years ago and it was only some months before I started to see black shadows and red eyes in the apartment when laying in bed at night, it was very scary, but I think it sort of projected from the nabours, sort of negative energy coming from them really, so after some time I ended up leaving the country all together and moved to chania in greece, it was so much negative energy around that apartment in my own country
 
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The only spiritual attack that I've experienced has been at the hands of my over zealous Fundamentalist brother-in-laws. It started before I even married my wife, who they let know would be going to Hell because of her marriage to me. After that their attacks became directed at me personally. My wife and I have been very happily married now for 38 years. Though the spiritual attacks continued for close to 2 decades, over time the attacks have lessened quite a bit, but they still persist.

The long term effect has been a sort of stand offish relationship. I've learned from them that I don't want to be like them which I see as directly mirroring their flavor of Christianity. Which, I'm sorry to say, I have experienced as being very toxic.
 
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The first apartment my family lived in had unusual activity like sounds. My mother had to hear someone walking in the reception when only me and her were in the house and the whole floor was empty sometimes.

My mom also found a strange language written on one of her garments and she showed it to my father. He suspected it was some sort of sorcery and decided to burn it.

The crap started to happen right after the event of my mom finding the strange language. So they understood it was some sort of magic. (I won't go in details in terms who did that magic but we suspect my father's sister, she hated my mother and she has a bad history in the family)

Anyway, we were always protected through the Holy Communion and then when we moved to another apartment our life improved and the activity was gone. (We also ended our relationship with my father's family)
 
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I was curious if anybody wanted to share their experiences that seemed to be spiritual attacks. I may have experienced such things in the past, and that is one reason why I call myself a "generic theist" instead of an atheist. I feel there is something more than the natural world, but I am pretty confused about it - especially now that I lack the Christian metaphysical framework. I suspect these things happen more often than skeptics realize, but those who experience them prefer not to talk openly due to the giggle factor and a desire to forget and return to normalcy afterwards.

I do not understand.

What do you put into "spiritual attack?"

I think "attack" is a bit dramatic, but it depends how one sees it.

Just the other day I was on my way out, picking up some things from the table,

and an invisible force pushed me backwards until I fell to the floor, hitting a doorpost on the way down but not getting hurt in the slightest.

But I do not see it as an attack, It made me smile,

Was thinking, "let the bodies hit the floor"

Haha.
- Was there a warning sign first?
- How did you react?
- How did the experience affect you long-term?

To be honest, this type of thing bothers me, because it adds a lot of uncertainty and confusion to an otherwise tidy naturalistic model of reality.
 
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I have a few... but they are not very edifying.
Suffice it to say that the name of Jesus defeats every demon, evil, spirit, and wicked thing.
Jesus is Lord of all.
 
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The first apartment my family lived in had unusual activity like sounds. My mother had to hear someone walking in the reception when only me and her were in the house and the whole floor was empty sometimes.

My mom also found a strange language written on one of her garments and she showed it to my father. He suspected it was some sort of sorcery and decided to burn it.

The crap started to happen right after the event of my mom finding the strange language. So they understood it was some sort of magic. (I won't go in details in terms who did that magic but we suspect my father's sister, she hated my mother and she has a bad history in the family)

Anyway, we were always protected through the Holy Communion and then when we moved to another apartment our life improved and the activity was gone. (We also ended our relationship with my father's family)
It seems to me that magic if it exists should be used openly. If magic is used sneakily then it is more like spanking a child for an unknown misdeed. Nothing is accomplished except hurting a child's bottom. Also sneaky use of magic creates paranoia where witches are blamed unfairly for bad luck.

I don't know how my rules for magic use could be enforced even if magic existed, but that would be my rule - "the transparency policy of magic use". ;)
 
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It seems to me that magic if it exists should be used openly. If magic is used sneakily then it is more like spanking a child for an unknown misdeed. Nothing is accomplished except hurting a child's bottom. Also sneaky use of magic creates paranoia where witches are blamed unfairly for bad luck.

I don't know how my rules for magic use could be enforced even if magic existed, but that would be my rule - "the transparency policy of magic use". ;)

You encouraged me to share something interesting with you.

You know that in Egypt there are hidden monuments, that is, monuments or tombs/temples that are underground and not yet opened/discovered. (Not sure if any of them aren't underground, but I think some of them are found in mountain caves)

I knew recently that for them to open these temples/tombs they have to interact with evil spirits (use magic).

I also saw a recent post of a guy that was spotted with a child (he kidnapped the child) and he was about to behead the child in front of a tomb. (It is apparent that the evil spirits require human sacrifices and it looks like they want children the most)

Here is the OP: أطفال مفقوده

It is sadly in Arabic. (You might need an in-browser translator)

But it is seriously disgusting, I'm Egyptian myself and I have no problem seeing all Egyptian monuments burn into fire but not harm children or any human to get this rubbish..

Anyway, I think sorcery (magic or black magic) is a bond with Satan and that's why it ends destructively. My father's sister is one of the most avoided persons ever in the family and I don't know if anyone likes her anyway if at all even outside the family. I hope she will change and return from this dark pathway before it is late. But it is clear that once a person enters this pathway, they change radically and become imprisoned to whatever evil spirits they deal with.
 
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I have a few... but they are not very edifying.
Suffice it to say that the name of Jesus defeats every demon, evil, spirit, and wicked thing.
Jesus is Lord of all.
If true, that presents a problem for somebody like me who believes the Bible is mostly fiction. To be honest, when I believed in Christianity it seemed that prayers were very effective responses to spiritual attacks, but after reading the dastardly books of Bart Ehrman ;) ... How do I pray now? Who do I pray to? What should I say? ... That is a problem.
 
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If true, that presents a problem for somebody like me who believes the Bible is mostly fiction. To be honest, when I believed in Christianity it seemed that prayers were very effective responses to spiritual attacks, but after reading the dastardly books of Bart Ehrman ;) ... How do I pray now? Who do I pray to? What should I say? ... That is a problem.

If it worked for you before, why not now?

Stick with what works.
 
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If it worked for you before, why not now?

Stick with what works.
The problem is I can't say "in the name of Jesus, ..." if I am not certain what I mean or what I believe. The words aren't the key - it is the beliefs and feelings and intentions. I can say words, but they are empty.
 
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But it is seriously disgusting, I'm Egyptian myself and I have no problem seeing all Egyptian monuments burn into fire but not harm children or any human to get this rubbish..

Anyway, I think sorcery (magic or black magic) is a bond with Satan and that's why it ends destructively. My father's sister is one of the most avoided persons ever in the family and I don't know if anyone likes her anyway if at all even outside the family. I hope she will change and return from this dark pathway before it is late. But it is clear that once a person enters this pathway, they change radically and become imprisoned to whatever evil spirits they deal with.
I would like the world to find some of these undiscovered archaeological sites, but I agree that price is too high.

I don't know what to think about magic. Belief in magic creates a lot of opportunity for social problems. A middle-aged man might develop erectile dysfunction and suspect witchcraft instead of his own age. The paranoid man then searches for the person who "cast the spell" on him and singles-out an eccentric but innocent old woman who is then tortured until she "confesses". That is what happened in Europe at times.

On the other hand, I have heard some strange anecdotal reports of paranormal happenings. I'm a curious person. I want to know if there is something to magic so we can understand what it is.

But maybe as a general policy it is best to be highly skeptical of magic, because belief in magic in the past has led to so many tragedies socially.
 
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I've had many toe cramps in my life, where the muscle on the bottom of your foot pulls your toe down hard, and you have to get up and walk around a while, or pull your foot up to stretch out the muscle.

One Sunday afternoon after church I was taking a nap and I had a toe cramp. But this time I knew it was a demon, and just pointed at it and said, "demon let go of my toe in Jesus name." Suddenly it popped back up. That was the only time I knew it wasn't a natural occurrence.
 
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I've had many toe cramps in my life, where the muscle on the bottom of your foot pulls your toe down hard, and you have to get up and walk around a while, or pull your foot up to stretch out the muscle.

One Sunday afternoon after church I was taking a nap and I had a toe cramp. But this time I knew it was a demon, and just pointed at it and said, "demon let go of my toe in Jesus name." Suddenly it popped back up. That was the only time I knew it wasn't a natural occurrence.
Interesting... those cramps don't just disappear on their own normally (I know from experience LOL). Supposedly magnesium helps. Also I try to avoid eating anything substantial before sleep, because I think digestion dehydrates you and causes cramps.
 
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The problem is I can't say "in the name of Jesus, ..." if I am not certain what I mean or what I believe. The words aren't the key - it is the beliefs and feelings and intentions. I can say words, but they are empty.

Just how certain do you think you have to be? I think you are thinking of prayer as some kind of magic, which is not typically how Christians have thought of prayer.
 
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Here are some of my questions:
- Was there a warning sign first?
- How did you react?
- How did the experience affect you long-term?
Often I go through a paranoid thing, of imagining myself talking against and controlling someone who is or seems to be a problem for me. The thing starts without asking my permission; I just start imagining the thing, my mind is highjacked.

But I see soon enough how I am not loving the person the way Jesus wants. So, I trust God to take over and have me in peace and prayer with caring for the person.

Then I see later how I am really doing with the person. And, often enough, the person is doing much better than my imagination thing was claiming.

And on the long-term, more and more I already am wise to it as soon as it starts, plus I know that how it represents the person will turn out to be a lie. So, more and more I pray with hope for people, and do not trust stuff which is against them.

There is one person who does keep doing stuff I don't care for; but I keep praying with hope for that person, anyway. As well as I can, I start fresh with that one, every time we are with each other. I pray to be ready with good example to help a problem person find out how to love.
 
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Just how certain do you think you have to be? I think you are thinking of prayer as some kind of magic, which is not typically how Christians have thought of prayer.
About 10 years ago I felt rightly or wrongly that I was being spiritually attacked. The experiences convinced me that there must be some truth to Christianity, so I rapidly began taking Christianity VERY seriously again after having walked away from it 20 years earlier. I couldn't sleep more than about an hour a night for a week, because it felt like "they" were trying to put thoughts in my head. My aunt had been through something like that earlier and gave me some words of comfort and a simple prayer to get rid of demons (I can't remember the Christian term). I didn't like saying that prayer, but it seemed like it helped the few times I prayed it - something about "blah blah blah ... in Jesus name ... blah blah blah". I actually felt that demons should be treated with compassion and respect rather than ordered around. After all, demons are supposed to be angels who made some mistakes in life - not unlike us humans. We ought to be trying to help them return to their former state by being kind to them. That was my thinking at the time. Of course now I am basically an atheist.

So I forgot what my point was LOL
 
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After all, demons are supposed to be angels who made some mistakes in life - not unlike us humans. We ought to be trying to help them return to their former state by being kind to them. That was my thinking at the time.
A problem is that demons are dumping their problem into us, when they spiritually attack us.

For example, they are anti-forgiveness; so they mess with our relating with another person, then attack us with their unforgiveness, in order to break us down so they can control us.

So, they are not at all being kind and trying to bring us back to God.
 
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