Greenland lost 2 billion tons of ice... yesterday

KWCrazy said:

You're funny.
In 2006, CBS’s Hannah Storm Claims Katrina-like Storms Will Happen ‘All Along Our Atlantic and Gulf Coastlines.’ Just five days before Hurricane Katrina’s one year anniversary, CBS news anchor Hannah Storm featured climate alarmist Mike Tidwell on The Early Show to discuss his book, “The Ravaging Tide.” “I think the biggest lesson from Katrina a year later is that those same ingredients, you know, a city below sea level hit by a major hurricane, will be replicated by global warming all along our Atlantic and Gulf Coast lines,” Tidwell said on August 24, 2006....
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I'm right, you're wrong. case closed.

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There was no 10-year period of hurricane dormancy. That alleged 10-year drought was only measured by hurricanes making landfall in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hy-this-is-terrifying/?utm_term=.532be0c85ae3

From the article:

Scientists have no solid explanation for the lack of hurricane landfalls. The number of storms forming in the Atlantic over the past decade or so has been close to normal, but many have remained over the ocean or hit other countries rather than the United States.

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The storms happened. They just didn't hit us. To argue that the fortunate (for us) course of those storms in any way proves your point is more than a little absurd.

KWCrazy said:

The hubris of man is such that some believe we can control such things...

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the hubris of man is to believe that our actions do not have consequences.

Brightmoon said:

I think he’s trying to describe the milankovitch cycles and making a complete hash of it


This is scary

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KC gets his science info from a combination of fundamentalist websites and the back of his Cornflakes packets.

I've suggested he switch to Cocoa Pops for a more reliable interpretation.
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USincognito said:

That literally isn't happening.

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Clouds are moving sun is moving earth is still.

Some have said we are in an ice age. How does more ice melt in an ice age?

KWCrazy said:

I don't believe the world ended

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No one is claiming that climate change is going to destroy the planet.

KWCrazy said:

when Greenland was, in fact, a green land before.

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Coastal Greenland supported two settlements of Vikings with populations of 4,000 and 1,000 respectively and they only lasted about 500 years during the Medieval warm periods. Winters were still hash and much of that same land still experiences summer today. It's not like Winterfell in Game of Thrones.

KWCrazy said:

Maybe we should be more concerned with our own lives and not worry about the world ending in another 200 years. Christ could return at any moment

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KWCrazy said:

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That sort of thinking is not helpful.

W2L said:

Some have said we are in an ice age. How does more ice melt in an ice age?

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Excellent point! Though I don’t think you are trying to argue for anthropogenic climate change......

Goonie said:

Excellent point! Though I don’t think you are trying to argue for anthropogenic climate change......

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No, im not. You're correct.

W2L said:

No, im not. You're correct.

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Thought so, but the fact remains that the current warming, and climate change, can only be accounted for by the actions of humanity. Funny thing if a billion people burn stuff over time it affects the environment.

KWCrazy said:

The southern part was not. Regardless, it's the most sparsely populated place on earth, so there's not a great deal of eyewitness events in its past.

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This a variation on Ken Ham's inane "were you there" argument. No one needs to have been there, the glaciers, the ice cores and the geology tell us the story of Greenland's past far beyond the period of human habitation.

KWCrazy said:

The hubris of man is such that some believe we can control such things.

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This is, to be quite frank, a silly argument. Humans not being able to control something doesnt' mean we cannot effect something. So yes, we cannot control global climate. We sure as heck can effect it though.

KWCrazy said:

This proves God has a sense of humor.

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This is a variation on the inane "God created the platypus to confuse evolutionists". The reason it's inane is that platypodes don't confuse scientists in the least and their very existence is evidence for evolution.

KWCrazy said:

Actually, researchers claim 40,000 years. You have one too many zeroes.

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This is false. The GRIP and GISP core teams recovered ~100,000 years of core samples. But that's just for Greenland. We've pulled up 600,000-800,000 years worth in Antarctica.

KWCrazy said:

They can't explain, though, how and aircraft can be covered by 250 feet of ice in just 39 years if their claims about ice core dating are true

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I don't know who "they" are but I myself can explain the Lost Squadron. Glacier Girl and the fighters landed near the coast which gets feet of snow per year. The ice core samples are taken much higher up and farther inland on the ice sheets which get centimeters of ice each year. This PRATT has been explained for decades now. There's no excuse for any Creationists repeating it in 2019.

Goonie said:

Thought so, but the fact remains that the current warming, and climate change, can only be accounted for by the actions of humanity. Funny thing if a billion people burn stuff over time it affects the environment.

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Why isnt the ice age cooling trend offsetting the warming trend? How is more ice melting?

iluvatar5150 said:

The data you're talking about is from half a million years ago. We've had several ice ages since then.

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Point of information - We are currently in an ice age. Technically it's the Holocene Interglacial period of the Pleistocene glaciation. The ice age started about 2,500,000 years ago and the current interglacial began about 11,000 years ago.

W2L said:

Some have said we are in an ice age. How does more ice melt in an ice age?

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Technically the last ice age ended around 11,700 years ago.

Timeline of glaciation - Wikipedia

OB

W2L said:

Why isnt the ice age cooling trend offsetting the warming trend? How is more ice melting?

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Co2/methane. What other species destroys the mechanisms that contain greenhouse gases whilst burning them?

The ice age describes a period, there are warmer periods.

iluvatar5150 said:

There was no 10-year period of hurricane dormancy. That alleged 10-year drought was only measured by hurricanes making landfall in the US.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hy-this-is-terrifying/?utm_term=.532be0c85ae3

From the article:

The storms happened. They just didn't hit us. To argue that the fortunate (for us) course of those storms in any way proves your point is more than a little absurd.

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And it's not like we didn't have hurricanes. There were plenty of them including three for the record books:
Sandy in 2010.
Harvey in 2017 that did as much damage as Katrina.
Michael in 2018 became the first Cat 5 to make landfall in the continental U.S. since Andrew.

d taylor said:

Clouds are moving sun is moving earth is still.

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Sorry, I forgot you were a Flat Earther. We have nothing more to discuss.

W2L said:

Some have said we are in an ice age. How does more ice melt in an ice age?

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We are. We're in an interglacial period, but if we were following the normal cycle we'd be cooling again. We're not because of humans pumping so much CO2 into the atmosphere and ramping up the greenhouse effect.

W2L said:

Why isnt the ice age cooling trend offsetting the warming trend? How is more ice melting?

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It's not because we're overwhelming the natural cycle with our CO2 output. Sixty years ago atmospheric CO2 was 320ppm. Currently it's 410ppm and continuing an upward trend.
ESRL Global Monitoring Division - Global Greenhouse Gas Reference Network
The warming will only get worse once the permafrost starts melting and releasing a bunch of methane into the mix. Methane has a longer cycle and is a worse greenhouse gas than CO2.

USincognito said:

We are. We're in an interglacial period, but if we were following the normal cycle we'd be cooling again. We're not because of humans pumping so much CO2 into the atmosphere and ramping up the greenhouse effect.



It's not because we're overwhelming the natural cycle with our CO2 output. Sixty years ago atmospheric CO2 was 320ppm. Currently it's 410ppm and continuing an upward trend.
ESRL Global Monitoring Division - Global Greenhouse Gas Reference Network
The warming will only get worse once the permafrost starts melting and releasing a bunch of methane into the mix. Methane has a longer cycle and is a worse greenhouse gas than CO2.

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Thank you. Somehow im not alarmed.

W2L said:

Thank you. Somehow im not alarmed.

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I'm not alarmed either. Just concerned about what the science is showing us is happening.

USincognito said:

And it's not like we didn't have hurricanes. There were plenty of them including three for the record books:
Sandy in 2010.
Harvey in 2017 that did as much damage as Katrina.
Michael in 2018 became the first Cat 5 to make landfall in the continental U.S. since Andrew.

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According to the metric @KWCrazy is using, Sandy doesn't count because, despite having winds well into category-1 territory, it was reclassified as a "post-tropical cyclone" before it made landfall.

And AFAIK, the supposed 10-year drought stretches from 2005-2015.