Serious Question, Does God hate "Some" people ?

James Murphy said:

I guess it depends on which Calvinist you ask. Arthur Pink wrote that God only loved the Elect and hated the non-Elect. John MacArthur criticized that view and said God loved everyone.

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That too may depend on whether or not one considers "common grace" as "love"? God sends the rain on the just and the unjust etc. and there's no doubt that any civility society sees is a result of God's restraining sin. The love that constitutes redemption though is necessitate of affection beyond common grace though, because those who received common grace who end up in the lake of fire; is certainly not a demonstration of eternal love.

I think God hates sinners but is glorified by setting his love on them at the expense of his death on the cross. And then making them lovable by imparting the new birth which provides them with a lovable nature.

If God saves those whom he loves, there is a quality in them that receives part of God's glory.

Yes he does.

The Righterzpen said:

For those who claim "God does not hate" but "loves the sinner" or "loves less"; consider the implication of what that means.

If God "loves" me that I end up paying for my own sin; what kind of "love" is that.... really?

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What would be the implications?

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

I mean I know that He loves humanity in a general sense because He gave us His Son so we could have forgiveness, but I'm asking does God hate "some" people on an individual bases because of their sin and hatred for him ? (Esau ? )

People who have blasphemed The Holy Spirit and have no chance or even a desire for redemption and people who worship the Beast and take the mark of the Beast does God hate them ?

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Judgement Day will probably include the destruction of 2/3 of humanity.
God loves but He also hates. He knows who will be saved and who won't. We call them reprobate. Esau, is an example.
HE DESTROYED THE ENTIRE WORLD and saved only eight. Was that an example of Him loving them? No. They were wicked to the core. It grieves Him to do that, but He is a God of justice and sin will be judged. He operates outside of our time domain, so He knows the beginning from the end. That said, He gives man ample opportunities to repent, to be fair. He draws all men to Himself, yet some resist and rebel. The rain falls on the ungodly. They live, He provides for them, He loves them but after many merciful attempts, HE LET'S THEM GO TO THEIR OWN DEMISE. (ROM.1)
Given what God has revealed to them, His attributes, His creation, THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE.
If He didn't love them at all, never gave them anything, well, that might be an excuse. The fact that their heart is beating and if they get sick and their body heals, they eat food that grows: animal and vegetable, that's God's grace, His power, His provisions, His life force in action.
Not everyone will be saved. Those who are deceived by this notion must think God has no justice. The LAW gave us the idea of what sin is and its consequences. The conwqyences are Gods justice.
Jesus died for our sins, for those who believe in Him.
There is the condition to eternal life, you must believe in Jesus. He said if you don't, you've already been judged and the wrath of God abides in you.
YOU EITHER HAVE LIFE OR YOU DON'T AND MANY WILL NOT - THEIR CHOICE.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

I mean I know that He loves humanity in a general sense because He gave us His Son so we could have forgiveness, but I'm asking does God hate "some" people on an individual bases because of their sin and hatred for him ? (Esau ? )

People who have blasphemed The Holy Spirit and have no chance or even a desire for redemption and people who worship the Beast and take the mark of the Beast does God hate them ?

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Serious answer, Psalm 11:5: The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. The word 'hate' there refers to nothing less than odiousness. Also, Romans 9:13: As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.* The expression is intentionally strong as an expression of moral antipathy.

*To those who would reply that hated means love less, please observe the context.

The proper question is what does God's hate consist of? It is not mere emotional reaction, as humans display. Rather, it is a full distaste for and rejection of people based on God's holiness and man's sinfulness. God abhors the conduct of sinners and unless they repent, He will, without fail, severely punish them for their unrighteous dealing. His hatred is displayed in His wrath which is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18).

Stranger36147 said:

I think God might hate me.

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He doesn’t.

Lords Man said:

Serious answer, Psalm 11:5: The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. The word 'hate' there refers to nothing less than odiousness. Also, Romans 9:13: As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.* The expression is intentionally strong as an expression of moral antipathy.

*To those who would reply that hated means love less, please observe the context.

The proper question is what does God's hate consist of? It is not mere emotional reaction, as humans display. Rather, it is a full distaste for and rejection of people based on God's holiness and man's sinfulness. God abhors the conduct of sinners and unless they repent, He will, without fail, severely punish them for their unrighteous dealing. His hatred is displayed in His wrath which is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18).

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The Old Testament Word refers to Love that is wounded to the point of withdrawal.... in the Hebrew root.

It is not as we use the word Hate today.

timewerx said:

Those who believe God puts those who "missed" into eternal torture in the lake of fire.....

And also believes God loves everyone, isn't that absurd?

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Yes, it is absurd, also not true about eternal torture, in the very end all the lost will be destroyed, never to exist again.

eleos1954 said:

Yes, it is absurd, also not true about eternal torture, in the very end all the lost will be destroyed, never to exist again.

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I agree with you about the concept of "hell"

Somehow, I still find it absurd when Christians say God loves everyone (and despite what they did) and yet, will not save everyone.

If God will not save everyone then God's love is not unconditional.

Jesus does not call everyone "friend" - John 15:15

Even we are not supposed to be friendly to everyone - 2 John 1:10-11

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

...but I'm asking does God hate "some" people on an individual bases because of their sin and hatred for him?

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No.

Men can grow to hate other men, even their own children. But God is not a man.

timewerx said:

If God will not save everyone then God's love is not unconditional.

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You are ignoring the fact people have to want to be saved. Not all do.

timewerx said:

I agree with you about the concept of "hell"

Somehow, I still find it absurd when Christians say God loves everyone (and despite what they did) and yet, will not save everyone.

If God will not save everyone then God's love is not unconditional.

Jesus does not call everyone "friend" - John 15:15

Even we are not supposed to be friendly to everyone - 2 John 1:10-11

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Just to clarify, not everyone will receive eternal life.

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

and the description of what a believer is ... very detailed. ;o)

TheSeabass said:

What would be the implications?

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The implication is what kind of love is it that God allegedly has for those who end up in the lake of fire paying for their sin?

It's like the parent who tells their 2 year old. I love you too much to interfere with your free will; now you can go play in the traffic on the freeway.

Is that really "love"?

Sistrin said:

You are ignoring the fact people have to want to be saved. Not all do.

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Which makes it conditional as I've said...

So why are you accusing me of ignoring a fact? I think you misread my post.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

I mean I know that He loves humanity in a general sense because He gave us His Son so we could have forgiveness, but I'm asking does God hate "some" people on an individual bases because of their sin and hatred for him ? (Esau ? )

People who have blasphemed The Holy Spirit and have no chance or even a desire for redemption and people who worship the Beast and take the mark of the Beast does God hate them ?

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No, God loves all people.

The Righterzpen said:

The implication is what kind of love is it that God allegedly has for those who end up in the lake of fire paying for their sin?

It's like the parent who tells their 2 year old. I love you too much to interfere with your free will; now you can go play in the traffic on the freeway.

Is that really "love"?

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--Those that end up lost does not mean God did not love them, Romans 5:8. Those lost in hell are the ones that rejected God's love, they put themselves in hell where God did not desire them to be (2 Peter 3:9)

--Love is just one aspect of God (Romans 11:22). God is perfectly just, there then must be justice for those that abuse their free will and go against God. Even in this world, we see there needs to be consequences (fines, penalties, jail time, etc) for those who do wrong (murder, thief, rape) and there is nothing unjust or unloving in that. In God's mind, hell is fair justice for the wicked and heaven is fair for the righteous, nothing unloving in that. God will not force one to be heaven if one does not want to be there.... would it be just to force something upon a man that man did not want? No. Nor can man violate God's law and expect to avoid justice thinking God's love will save him...this would not be justice either.

As far as the eternity of hell, if it takes a bank robber 10 minutes to rob a bank, is 10 minutes in jail just? No. So there is nothing unjust or unloving about punishment time exceeding the crime time. Is 15 years in jail just for a 10 minute crime? Yes. Is eternal hell just for man spending a long life time doing evil? Yes. Does man have the right to determine for God how long the punishment should be? NO!

God's wrath against the wicked is righteous, Romans 2:5.
Psalms 62:12 God is merciful in rendering to each one according to his works. Whether God's sentence is heaven or hell, it is merciful.

--When it comes to free will, logic and understanding, you cannot compare a 2 year old to a responsible, accountable, understanding, reasoning adult. Children are innocent before God and will be saved if they die as children, which is loving and just on God's part.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

I mean I know that He loves humanity in a general sense because He gave us His Son so we could have forgiveness, but I'm asking does God hate "some" people on an individual bases because of their sin and hatred for him ? (Esau ? )

People who have blasphemed The Holy Spirit and have no chance or even a desire for redemption and people who worship the Beast and take the mark of the Beast does God hate them ?

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This nuance is illustrated by the difference of the "you must ... to be my disciple" sayings in Luke and Matthew.

In Luke it says you need to hate everyone in your life to be a disciple of Jesus.

In Matthew it says you need to put God in first priority (love first) before anyone else.

Imagine if you will, there was this father who always gave preferable treatment to one child and not the other .. if you were the child not getting the preferable treatment, you'd think Dad hated you, right?

It doesn't mean God hates anyone ... but since He favors who He favors ... it totally looks that way.

God hates the sin but not the sinner. I imagine God is going to tell the lost on judgement day "I loved you so much when nobody else did. But I cannot excuse your sins."

Without Christ we are lost but that still doesn't make God love humanity any less. After all God came down from heaven and DIED for us. So God must have REALLY loved us.

The only part of us that he hates are our sins. Even for the Christian who sins. They are saved from hellfire but God still hates their every sin. We hurt God everytime we sin something to think about.

This is a topic where (assuming you are looking to Scripture) the way you deal with it shows. There are surely texts that talk about God hating people. In some cases the language is probably not meant literally (e.g. Jacob and Esau), but I think you can find passages (some of which have been cited) that actually do say it.

However Jesus teaches not only that we should love enemies and forgive people, that God sets the example for us. E.g. Mat 5:43 ff.