Tongues A Sign To Unbelievers

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Sad but true, the same old excuses to promote their opinions.
One odd point of view I have noticed is, Cessationist will promptly dismiss that prophets exist today.
They say because we have the Bible there is no need for prophets.
It was different in the OLD Testament days ,they at times mock a Prophetic word.
Often full Gospel believers as well have had enough of people saying they have a word for you.
I believe some who think they are prophets are not.
I also believe some who go to seminary think they can preach, and they cannot.
What is ironic is most Cessationist believe in the gifts of the ministry from Ephesians.
Yet they exclude the first gift on the list!
How does anyone justify cafeteria bible study, I want this but not that?
It may not be this way for some, but a few Churches I have attended teach this way.
Those who do the twist of God's Word are void of any Spiritual discernment.
They teach a earthly temporal message.
You cannot teach against the power of the Holy Ghost, and expect Him to manifest on your behalf.
It is a one way street, either you accept all God has given or you do not.
I have heard lay Preachers throw down a spirit filled message that touched your Spirit, and I have suffered through men with degrees on the wall stumbling in the pulpit.
They stumble out somthing, and when they are finally finished you wonder what that was all about.
Or you can Bless God for His Word years after a good Preacher is speaking the Word God has given him.
It is all the same Spirit, there may be diverisity of gifts yet by one Spirit.
And I bet most here have heard this a time or two themselves.
 
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Did you catch it when he said there is a difference between a translation and an interpretation?

This may be biased but I do like Him.
I may have missed it ,yet I noticed he was using the N.K.J.
Did He mention these verses:
1 Corinthians 14: 2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Corinthians 14: 4. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
The Romans reference seems to cross reference the prayer tongue.
He may have covered this under the heavenly language part of his teaching.
I personally believe those baptised of the Holy Spirit all can pray in tongues.
 
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The differences between the the two text are
N.K.J. No one understands him.
King James no man understands him.
1st Corinthians chapter 14 vs 2

This is some what of delete of praying in the Holy Ghost or praying in the Spirit.
Singing and praying in the Spirit is by the Holy Ghost, joined with our Spirit.
No one would includes our Spirit.
Do not want a Bible debate but as well I try to be clear on what is written, and how it may change the context.
 
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What I would really love to see is an actual study done where a person speaking tongues is recorded for 5 minutes and 100 people are asked to interpret what is said and see how many come up with the same response.
It wouldn't work because the gift of tongues with interpretation is for building up of believers in the local church, and it would be a misuse of it if used for experimentation.
 
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Tongues with interpretation is different from prophecy. Prophecy is for the edification, comfort and exhortation of believers. It is spoken from the person's own spirit, not the Holy Spirit. This is why a "This is what the Lord is saying" is false because that is equivalent to Scripture and the Holy Spirit is no longer adding Scripture to the written Word of the Bible. The person speaking a prophecy in the local church will be saying, "I have these thoughts and they may be useful for you". It is then up to the person and the group to judge the words and determine whether it is consistent with Scripture and something that the Holy Spirit would say according to His character and nature.

Tongues is always spoken to God, so there is no such thing as a tongues "message" to the group. Therefore, an interpretation would also be directed to God, otherwise it is not an interpretation of that utterance in tongues. So someone giving an interpretation that is a message to the group is not interpreting the tongues utterance but giving a prophecy instead. Therefore the leader should acknowledge that to the group and wait for the correct interpretation.
 
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Tongues with interpretation is different from prophecy. Prophecy is for the edification, comfort and exhortation of believers. It is spoken from the person's own spirit, not the Holy Spirit. This is why a "This is what the Lord is saying" is false because that is equivalent to Scripture and the Holy Spirit is no longer adding Scripture to the written Word of the Bible. The person speaking a prophecy in the local church will be saying, "I have these thoughts and they may be useful for you". It is then up to the person and the group to judge the words and determine whether it is consistent with Scripture and something that the Holy Spirit would say according to His character and nature.

Tongues is always spoken to God, so there is no such thing as a tongues "message" to the group. Therefore, an interpretation would also be directed to God, otherwise it is not an interpretation of that utterance in tongues. So someone giving an interpretation that is a message to the group is not interpreting the tongues utterance but giving a prophecy instead. Therefore the leader should acknowledge that to the group and wait for the correct interpretation.[/QUOTE

Now in those days prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. And one of them named Agabus stood up and foretold by The Spirit that there would be great famine over all the world; and this took place in the days of Claudius. And the disciples determined, every one according to his ability, to the brethren who lived in Judea; and they did so, sending it to the elders by the hand of Barnabas and Saul.


While we were staying for some days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. And coming to us he took Paul's girdle and bound his own feet and hands, and said, " Thus says The Holy Spirit 'So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this girdle and deliver him into the hands of Gentiles'."
 
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While we were staying for some days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. And coming to us he took Paul's girdle and bound his own feet and hands, and said, " Thus says The Holy Spirit 'So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this girdle and deliver him into the hands of Gentiles'."
He was universally recognised by all the churches as a prophet who spoke directly from the Holy Spirit. Also, this was said in the context of a local church and not for the whole nation, as the false prophets of this generation do.
 
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There have been false Prophet's as far back as the Bondage in Egypt.
There is no difference in the prophets today and the prophets in the days of Eligha.

Ephesians 4: 11. And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12. For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13. Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

The Gifts of the ministry are not confined to a single Church.
They are for the perfecting of the saints.
How be it a false prophet today may not lose his head, like the prophets in the OLD Testament.
We have a constant indwelling of the Holy Spirit , the prophets of old did not.
The Spirit would manifest through the Men of God in The Old Testament.
Sadly today some have made claims that God is not part of.
With so many people on earth today ,all the gifts are greatly needed.
 
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