Star of David - your comments

Douggg · Jun 13, 2019

In another thread, @Grip Docility and @keras were having an exchange regarding the Star of David. Which I am beginning this thread, accordingly, on The Star of David.

Please post your comments, if you have anything to say about the Star of David.

For myself, what I am thinking about, in Revelation 14, the mark is not just a mark but the mark of his (the beast's) name.

Before becoming the beast, the person will be thought by the Jews to be messiah for a while before he betrays them - which the messiah is code named "David my servant" in the bible. In particular in Ezekiel 37.

I am wondering about the possibility of the star of David (or a modified version thereof ) being the mark of the person's name - either the code name (David my servant) or part of his actual name.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith · Jun 13, 2019

Douggg said:
The Star of David. Please post your comments.

What i thinking about, in Revelation 14, the mark is not just a mark but the mark of his (the beast's) name.

Before becoming the beast, the person will be thought by the Jews to be messiah - which the messiah is code named "David my servant" in the bible. In particular in Ezekiel 37.

I wondering about the possibility of the star of David being the mark of the person's name - either the code name (David my servant) or part of his actual name.

There's a reason why it's called the "Hexagram" and used in "magick" and it didn't have anything to do with King David.
Magick (Thelema) - Wikipedia

It might have had something to do with King Solomon though when his pagan wives turned his heart away from The Lord:

For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not loyal to the Lord his God, as was the heart of his father David.
• 1 Kings 11:4

You also took up the tabernacle of Moloch, And The Star of your god Remphan, Images which you made to worship; And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.'
• Acts 7:43

You also carried Sikkuth your king And Chiun, your idols, The Star of your gods, Which you made for yourselves.
• Amos 5:26

Not David · Jun 13, 2019

Douggg said:
In another thread, Grip Docility and Keras were having an exchange regarding the Star of David. Which I am beginning this thread, accordingly, on The Star of David.

Please post your comments, if you have anything to say about the Star of David.

For myself, what i thinking about, in Revelation 14, the mark is not just a mark but the mark of his (the beast's) name.

Before becoming the beast, the person will be thought by the Jews to be messiah for a while before he betrays them - which the messiah is code named "David my servant" in the bible. In particular in Ezekiel 37.

I am wondering about the possibility of the star of David (or a modified version thereof ) being the mark of the person's name - either the code name (David my servant) or part of his actual name.

I'm confused, so you think the Star of David is the mark of the Antichrist?

Soyeong · Jun 13, 2019

Douggg said:
In another thread, Grip Docility and Keras were having an exchange regarding the Star of David. Which I am beginning this thread, accordingly, on The Star of David.

Please post your comments, if you have anything to say about the Star of David.

For myself, what i thinking about, in Revelation 14, the mark is not just a mark but the mark of his (the beast's) name.

Before becoming the beast, the person will be thought by the Jews to be messiah for a while before he betrays them - which the messiah is code named "David my servant" in the bible. In particular in Ezekiel 37.

I am wondering about the possibility of the star of David (or a modified version thereof ) being the mark of the person's name - either the code name (David my servant) or part of his actual name.

During Operation Moses, Israel rescued the lost tribe of Dan out of Ethiopia. These people knew of all about Moses, Abraham, and David, but they were so isolated that they hadn't heard that the second temple had been built or destroyed, they hadn't heard that Israel had become a nation again, and they hadn't heard of the Holocaust. However, they were still using the Star of David, and to me that puts to rest all questions about its validity.

keras · Jun 14, 2019

Soyeong said:
During Operation Moses, Israel rescued the lost tribe of Dan out of Ethiopia. These people knew of all about Moses, Abraham, and David, but they were so isolated that they hadn't heard that the second temple had been built or destroyed, they hadn't heard that Israel had become a nation again, and they hadn't heard of the Holocaust. However, they were still using the Star of David, and to me that puts to rest all questions about its validity.

This is all totally unproven and is just speculation.
Those Ethiopians are wannabe Jews, they have no proof they were Jews, let alone from Dan, who is not Jewish, but of the House of Israel.
They practiced a form of Judaism and used the six pointed star.
Now a lot of them are in Israel and there have been and still are many problems with them.

David Cabrera said:
I'm confused, so you think the Star of David is the mark of the Antichrist?

No, but it certainly is a Satanic symbol, fitting for the people Jesus called the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:9

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 14, 2019

keras said:
This is all totally unproven and is just speculation.
Those Ethiopians are wannabe Jews, they have no proof they were Jews, let alone from Dan, who is not Jewish, but of the House of Israel.
They practiced a form of Judaism and used the six pointed star.
Now a lot of them are in Israel and there have been and still are many problems with them.

No, but it certainly is a Satanic symbol, fitting for the people Jesus called the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:9

That is just idiotic...they have Cohen DNA markers...

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 14, 2019

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:
There's a reason why it's called the "Hexagram" and used in "magick" and it didn't have anything to do with King David.
Magick (Thelema) - Wikipedia

You do understand that has NOTHING to do with Judaism

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 14, 2019

Douggg said:
In another thread, Grip Docility and Keras were having an exchange regarding the Star of David. Which I am beginning this thread, accordingly, on The Star of David.

Please post your comments, if you have anything to say about the Star of David.

For myself, what i thinking about, in Revelation 14, the mark is not just a mark but the mark of his (the beast's) name.

Before becoming the beast, the person will be thought by the Jews to be messiah for a while before he betrays them - which the messiah is code named "David my servant" in the bible. In particular in Ezekiel 37.

I am wondering about the possibility of the star of David (or a modified version thereof ) being the mark of the person's name - either the code name (David my servant) or part of his actual name.

Silly...smh The Magan David is not the "star" of David....it is the SHIELD of David

Douggg · Jun 14, 2019

David Cabrera said:
I'm confused, so you think the Star of David is the mark of the Antichrist?

Hi David, I don't know if it is or not.

I am open to the possibilty that the Star of David could be the mark of the beast. Perhaps modified, with three sixes in it.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

We have to be very specific when we speak of the person as the Antichrist. Being the Antichrist is for when the person in the role of being the King of Israel, mistaken by the Jews as being the messiah.

Other times, as the little horn and the beast, the person is the King of the Roman Empire of the end times.

The mark in Revelation is referring to when the person is in the role of being the beast.
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In Ezekiel 37, the term David my servant is a code name for the messiah.

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

So if David were the Antichrist's actual name, likely his first name, but could be his last name - then the star of David would be a symbol, associated with his name. And that the symbol could eventually become the mark of the beast's name (David).
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The is one thing about the person who becomes the Antichrist, and then later the beast, he is into the occult, understanding dark sentences.

Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

And when he eventually claims to be God, and is killed for it, in Ezekiel 28:3 it says about him....

Ezekiel 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

Of course, in Revelation, as the beast he is getting help from Satan. And in Daniel 11:38, he is getting help from apparently some fallen angel god, called the god of forces.

Daniel 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

So what I am thinking is the star of David, could be some sort of occultic amulet at it's origin. Nobody really knows for sure it's origin though.

The one thing we do know is that the person(the Antichrist, the beast) is into the occult.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 14, 2019

Douggg said:
Being the Antichrist is for when the person in the role of being the King of Israel, mistaken by the Jews as being the messiah.

You do know that anyone can and has filled that role in the past...example is Cyrus, who was an "annointed one"

tranquil · Jun 14, 2019

keras said:
This is all totally unproven and is just speculation.
Those Ethiopians are wannabe Jews, they have no proof they were Jews, let alone from Dan, who is not Jewish, but of the House of Israel.
They practiced a form of Judaism and used the six pointed star.
Now a lot of them are in Israel and there have been and still are many problems with them.

No, but it certainly is a Satanic symbol, fitting for the people Jesus called the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:9

Yes, it is unproven, but why would anyone want to claim lineage from Dan? Doesn't this have a negative connotation?

I am content to take them at their word if they want to claim this heritage.

What I find fascinating about Ethiopia which is never discussed is the Haile Selassie angle (past king of Ethiopia). Haile Selassie - Wikipedia

Selassie is worshiped as God by Rastafarians (using marijauna as a 'pharmakia' style deception/ drug associated Revelation 18:23). Selassie claims to be a descendant of King Solomon. And is thus a descendant of King David, fulfilling the 'David my servant'.

An Ethiopian church claims to have the ark of the covenant.

And if you think that Satan telegraphs his deceptions & moves through movies like I do, the high profile movie character Black Panther would be the analog of the descendant of Haile Selassie, Prince Joel Makonnen. Prince Joel Dawit Makonnen - Wikipedia
('Panther' possibly having something to do with the 'leopard' of Rev 13)
In fact the media really goes out of its way to make these connections in people's minds: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lonized/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0692b284c797

the upshot of this is to say that this Prince Joel Makonnen could very well be the Islamic Mahdi character.

parousia70 · Jun 14, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
...they have Cohen DNA markers...

So do many Arab Muslims.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 14, 2019

parousia70 said:
So do many Arab Muslims.

So what is your point? The question is WHERE and with WHOM did it originate...

parousia70 · Jun 14, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
So what is your point?

I imagine it was 180 degree opposite of yours.
What was your point in declaring they have Cohen DNA markers?... How does that make them any more "special" or "Jewish" than Arab Muslims who have the same markers?

Seems to me the markers are quite irrelevant, don't you think?

The question is WHERE and with WHOM did it originate...

I guess you'd need to have at your disposal a DNA Sample from Aaron, or Jacob, or Abraham to answer that question.

Do you?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 14, 2019

parousia70 said:
I imagine it was 180 degree opposite of yours.
What was your point in declaring they have Cohen DNA markers?... How does that make them any more "special" or "Jewish" than Arab Muslims who have the same markers?

Seems to me the markers are quite irrelevant, don't you think?

I guess you'd need to have at your disposal a DNA Sample from Aaron, or Jacob, or Abraham to answer that question.

Do you?

Again what difference does that make? They are Ethiopian JEWS...do you have any evidence they are not? Do you think they are Muslims? Just because some Arabs (now Muslims) also have Cohen DNA, just means that they have Jewish DNA in their past. They COULD be Cohanim but are now Muslim, the Ethiopians are still Jews...

Douggg · Jun 14, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You do know that anyone can and has filled that role in the past...example is Cyrus, who was an "annointed one"

"the" messiah is one specific anointed one.

John 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,

15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
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Mark 15:31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
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John 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
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A little background as why I don't disagree with you that Cyrus an annointed one could be considered "a messiah". (But not "the" messiah).

Back in 2004, I joined the Messiah Truth discussion board, which is a Jewish (Judaism) site intended to be a counter missionary site, against Jews converting to other religions other than Judaism.

I have 1,000's of exchanges there, arguing with them, and being educated by what they believe in the process. It you go there, for the best results, just ask questions on what they believe.

Anyway, Sophiee and Uri there made the point that there were "countless" messiahs, as the kings and priests of Israel are considered anointeds. Including some from other nations like Cyrus, as you have noted, and is also in the text of the bible.

But "the" messiah is different as one specific "King of Israel", descended from David, to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age - which includes peace and safety.

The requirements of the messiah, as the Jews are looking for, going by their theologian the RAMBAM, includes that the messiah will fight the battles of God in defending Israel. They gave a bible basis for that belief.

Which, having that gained knowledge, and from the text of the bible, the little horn from in Daniel 8:23 who "stands up" (an idiom for prepares to go to war), heading south and east toward Israel waxing strong in Daniel 8:9, could appear to the Jews as the messiah. If he does so with the intent of opposing the Gog/Magog invaders.

From Ezekiel 38-39, a condensed form of the end times events is Gog/Magog, then the seven years, then Armageddon and Jesus's return.

So coupling those things together, it appears that the prince who shall come in Daniel 9:26-27, is the little horn person, coming from Europe in the wake of Gog/Maog's destruction, in a transitional role to becoming the Antichrist - will be perceived as the messiah by the Jews.

"Anti" instead of and against - the rightful King of Israel - Jesus - the Christ. The another, Jesus said the Jews would accept coming in his own name.

To become the King of Israel (but as the Antichrist, one that God does not approve of - coming in his own name), the person has to be anointed by a known prophet - according to the Jews. Historically, Saul and David by Samuel the prophet. Solomon by Nathan. They are expecting Elijah.

And it so happens in Revelation that there is such a prophet who mimic's what Elijah did as far as calling fire down from heaven.

So it appears to me that the false prophet, claiming to be Elijah, will anoint the prince who shall come as the King of Israel messiah. It is at that point the person becomes the Antichrist, and is in that role until he later betrays the Jews by claiming to have achieved God-hood. Ending his time as the Antichrist, King of Israel.

For the remainder of the 7 years, he will be the beast, a role of being the King of the Roman Empire of the end times.

He starts out as the little horn - as the King of the Roman Empire of the end times - he is king #7 of Revelation 17:10. Then, after a stint as the Antichrist, King of Israel, he becomes king 8 of Revelation 17:11, the beast King of the Roman Empire of the end times.

Which the ten kings of the fourth empire (in Daniel 7) give their Kingdom (the EU) over to him. Revelation 17:17.

So what to watch for on the near term horizon is the EU reorganizing to a ten leader form of government with one king over them (the little horn). The person should be a Jew and his religion Judaism (he will likely be into Kabballah, as the occult source of his rise to power).

I should note that it all ends well for the Jews and Israel in the end. But it will be tough go along the way.

parousia70 · Jun 14, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Again what difference does that make? They are Ethiopian JEWS...do you have any evidence they are not?

Not really my job to prove a negative is it?
Is not the onus of proof squarely on the Claimant?

Do you think they are Muslims? Just because some Arabs (now Muslims) also have Cohen DNA, just means that they have Jewish DNA in their past. They COULD be Cohanim but are now Muslim, the Ethiopians are still Jews...

By what measurement are you using to make the assertion they are "Jews"?

We've omitted DNA a irrelevant... so what else are you using?

It can't be religion either, for the Ethiopians in question do not practice the Judaism of the Bible, delivered by God to Moses...

So what Criteria do you assert makes them "still Jews"?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 14, 2019

parousia70 said:
Not really my job to prove a negative is it?
Is not the onus of proof squarely on the Claimant?

By what measurement are you using to make the assertion they are "Jews"?

We've omitted DNA a irrelevant... so what else are you using?

It can't be religion either, for the Ethiopians in question do not practice the Judaism of the Bible, delivered by God to Moses...

So what Criteria do you assert makes them "still Jews"?

You say they are not so prove it. They say they are. They DO have Jewish genetic markers. Sounds highly pluasible. No, DNA is not irrelevant, it is just another part of the evidence. There is historical evidence and tradition. If not Judaism what do they practice? They say they do and are accepted into Israel as Jews. I guess you know better, so prove it!

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jun 14, 2019

Douggg said:
"the" messiah is one specific anointed one.

A little background as why I don't disagree with you that Cyrus an annointed one could be considered "a messiah". (But not "the" messiah).

The person should be a Jew and his religion Judaism (he will likely be into Kabballah, as the occult source of his rise to power).

I never said Cyrus was THE Messiah. He was A messiah. So in that case, your end time antichrist does not have to be Jewish.

Douggg · Jun 14, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I never said Cyrus was THE Messiah. He was A messiah. So in that case, your end time antichrist does not have to be Jewish.

He has to be a Jew to fulfill in appearance to be "the" messiah.

In 1Thessalonians5, the world will be saying peace and safety. Which that condition will be possible because the world will think it has entered the messianic age following Gog/Magog.

In 2Thessalonians2, there will be a great falling away, from Christianity (implied). Which to many Christians, it will appear that the Jews were right all along, and many will depart from believing that Jesus is the messiah - and believe that the Antichrist is.

In Daniel 9:27, the person confirms the covenant with many for 7 years. Which in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, Moses made it a law that all future leaders of Israel will in essence confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle, by making a big speech to the nation of Israel that God gave the land of Israel as theirs forever.

In Isaiah 14:19-20, when the person is cast out of the grave in disdain by God, it says because he destroys his land and his people. An indication that the person is a Jew. Also, he is likened to an abominable branch. Jesus was the righteous branch, descended from David.

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