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The full account of God's creation is in Genesis 1
Heaven and earth, water, sun, moon and stars.

No planets, no outer space/universe, no star suns
So your body has no endocrine system, no immune system, no lymphatic system, no renal system, since none of these are ever described in the Scriptures?

Genesis 1 does not claim to be the "full account" of God's creation. You've added that yourself. Genesis 1 is all that God had revealed at that time regarding His creation.
 
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So your body has no endocrine system, no immune system, no lymphatic system, no renal system, since none of these are ever described in the Scriptures?

Genesis 1 does not claim to be the "full account" of God's creation. You've added that yourself. Genesis 1 is all that God had revealed at that time regarding His creation.

Genesis 1 list God's creation, Genesis 2:1 states the creation is ended.
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.

Heavens,
1st heaven (sky) where the sun, moon and stars are said to be placed by God. Between the two bodies of water.

2nd heaven above the waters that are at the top of the raqia (possibly the location of dead believers).

3rd heaven abode of God.

and the earth.

That is stated as God's creation, planets in the world of science are not small details, if God had created planets (the ones described by science) they would have been warranted to be mentioned.

Same with a universe the importance of an area that holds all of God's creation would also have been stated as being created by God.

But they are not, there is no mention of them nowhere in the Bible. Even when Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 speaks about glorified bodies. He never mentions planets, just the sun, moon and stars.
 
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Psalms 136:6
to him who spread out the earth upon the waters, for his steadfast love endures forever;

Exodus 20:4
You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

Deuteronomy 4:16-18
beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figures, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth.

Deuteronomy 5:8
You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the water under the earth;

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You Who Laid The Foundations Of The Earth, So That IT SHOULD NOT BE MOVED FOREVER,
• Psalm 104:5



Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns; The world also is firmly established, It Shall Not Be Moved; He shall judge the peoples righteously."
• Psalm 96:10


Then Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel: "Sun, Stand Still over Gibeon; And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon." So The Sun Stood Still, And The Moon Stopped, Till the people had revenge Upon their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So The Sun Stood Still In The Midst Of Heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord heeded the voice of a man; for the Lord fought for Israel.
• Joshua 10:12-15



And You Shall Make Two Of Cherubim Of Gold; Of Hammered Work You Shall Make Them At The Two Ends Of The Mercy Seat.
Exodus 25:18



• 7th Ecumenical Council - Second Council of Nicaea (787 A.D.)

Second Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia

  • The clear distinction between the adoration offered to God and that accorded to the images may well be looked upon as a result of the iconoclastic reform. The twenty-two canons[7] drawn up in Constantinople also served ecclesiastical reform. Careful maintenance of the ordinances of the earlier councils, knowledge of the scriptures on the part of the clergy, and care for Christian conduct are required, and the desire for a renewal of ecclesiastical life is awakened.

The council also decreed that every altar should contain a relic, which remains the case in modern Catholic and Orthodox regulations (Canon VII), and made a number of decrees on clerical discipline, especially for monks when mixing with women.




CHURCH FATHERS: Second Council of Nicaea

(Session 1)
(Labbe and Cossart, Concilia, Tom. VII., col. 53.)

[Certain bishops who had been led astray by the Iconoclasts came, asking to be received back. The first of these was Basil of Ancyra.]


These things thus I confess and to these I assent, and therefore in simplicity of heart and in uprightness of mind, in the presence of God, I have made the subjoined anathematisms.

• Anathema to the calumniators of the Christians, that is to the image breakers.

• Anathema to those who apply the words of Holy Scripture which were spoken against idols, to the venerable images.

• Anathema to those who do not salute the holy and venerable images.

• Anathema to those who say that Christians have recourse to the images as to gods.

• Anathema to those who call the sacred images idols.

• Anathema to those who knowingly communicate with those who revile and dishonour the venerable images.

• Anathema to those who say that another than Christ our Lord has delivered us from idols.

• Anathema to those who spurn the teachings of the holy Fathers and the tradition of the Catholic Church, taking as a pretext and making their own the arguments of Arius, Nestorius, Eutyches, and Dioscorus, that unless we were evidently taught by the Old and New Testaments, we should not follow the teachings of the holy Fathers and of the holy Ecumenical Synods, and the tradition of the Catholic Church.

• Anathema to those who dare to say that the Catholic Church has at any time sanctioned idols.

• Anathema to those who say that the making of images is a diabolical invention and not a tradition of our holy Fathers.

This is my confession [of faith] and to these propositions I give my assent. And I pronounce this with my whole heart, and soul, and mind.

And if at any time by the fraud of the devil (which may God forbid!) I voluntarily or involuntarily shall be opposed to what I have now professed, may I be anathema from the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, and from the Catholic Church and every hierarchical order a stranger.

I will keep myself from every acceptance of a bribe and from filthy lucre in accordance with the divine canons of the holy Apostles and of the approved Fathers.

Tarasius, the most holy Patriarch, said: This whole sacred gathering yields glory and thanks to God for this confession of yours, which you have made to the Catholic Church.

The Holy Synod said: Glory to God which makes one that which was severed.
 
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Genesis 1 list God's creation, Genesis 2:1 states the creation is ended.
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.

Heavens,
1st heaven (sky) where the sun, moon and stars are said to be placed by God. Between the two bodies of water.

2nd heaven above the waters that are at the top of the raqia (possibly the location of dead believers).

3rd heaven abode of God.

and the earth.

That is stated as God's creation, planets in the world of science are not small details, if God had created planets (the ones described by science) they would have been warranted to be mentioned.

Same with a universe the importance of an area that holds all of God's creation would also have been stated as being created by God.

But they are not, there is no mention of them nowhere in the Bible. Even when Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 speaks about glorified bodies. He never mentions planets, just the sun, moon and stars.
So, if the planets were once "wandering stars"...maybe they were included, and we just now know more about how the "stars" (stars and planets) work?

Or does Mars not exist?
 
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That is stated as God's creation, planets in the world of science are not small details, if God had created planets (the ones described by science) they would have been warranted to be mentioned.
That is your opinion. I am willing to accept God's wisdom in how much He reveals at any particular time. For example, many generations pass before angels even get mentioned, presumably because mankind had a tendency to worship such beings as gods.
Same with a universe the importance of an area that holds all of God's creation would also have been stated as being created by God.
Again, that is simply your opinion. For a people with no technology capable of peering into the vast depths of space, such knowledge would have been meaningless at best, and at worst could have led to people worshiping the stars as gods. I am content to accept God's wisdom in revealing as much as He did.
But they are not, there is no mention of them nowhere in the Bible. Even when Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 speaks about glorified bodies. He never mentions planets, just the sun, moon and stars.
In the unfolding mystery of mankind's salvation, the vastness and complexity of the universe is peripheral at best.
 
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So, if the planets were once "wandering stars"...maybe they were included, and we just now know more about how the "stars" (stars and planets) work?

Or does Mars not exist?

I have photographed saturn and noting makes me believe that this is anything but a light (star).

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many generations pass before angels even get mentioned, presumably because mankind had a tendency to worship such beings as gods.


I'm convinced that Stars are actually Living Angelic Beings and not balls of gas millions of miles away and that's why The Lord told the Hebrews not to worship them :

When The Morning Stars Sang Together, And All The Sons Of God Shouted For Joy?
• Job 38:7


The mystery of THE SEVEN STARS which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: THE SEVEN STARS ARE THE ANGELS OF The Seven Churches , and the seven lampstands which you saw
• Revelation 1:20


And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, A great, fiery red Dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His Tail Drew A Third OF THE STARS OF HEAVEN And Threw Them To The Earth . And The Dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the Dragon ; and The Dragon And His Angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So The Great Dragon Was Cast Out, That Serpent Of Old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; He Was Cast To The Earth , AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM .
• Revelation 12: 5-9



Now there was a day when The Sons Of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
• Job 1:6

Again there was a day when The Sons Of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
• Job 2:1


Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that The Sons Of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when The Sons Of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:1-4
 
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God is glorified in truth, not in falsehoods. For the true worshipers of God worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
ViaCrucis that very true. God is glorified in truth, not in falsehoods as you have said. When you have to speak of the church Fathers as merely men of their time with quoting what the bible says. I guess you may as well say the bible was only a work of its time as well. But your welcome to pick and choose and follow what the so called science mafia world dictates and go with what they would have us believe. Martin luther was only repeating what was consistent with the bible in Geocentricity terms. This was a consistent belief in all faiths of the time. John Calvin also held the same view and he also knew of the theories of Copernicus rather well as many did. As to my reflections on how the Greeks viewed the planet Venus . It was just that nothing more, just a historical account. You simply did not appreciate or understand that’s ok. God is glorified in truth, and not in falsehoods. So which do we choose. It is well known that in todays scientific world there is only absolute contempt with what the bible says. I’m sorry I don’t want to follow their way, but rather follow Gods word in worship and truth..
-CryptoLutheran
 
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I'm convinced that Stars are actually Living Angelic Beings and not balls of gas millions of miles away and that's why The Lord told the Hebrews not to worship them :

When The Morning Stars Sang Together, And All The Sons Of God Shouted For Joy?
• Job 38:7



The mystery of THE SEVEN STARS which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: THE SEVEN STARS ARE THE ANGELS OF The Seven Churches , and the seven lampstands which you saw
• Revelation 1:20


And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, A great, fiery red Dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. His Tail Drew A Third OF THE STARS OF HEAVEN And Threw Them To The Earth . And The Dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the Dragon ; and The Dragon And His Angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So The Great Dragon Was Cast Out, That Serpent Of Old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; He Was Cast To The Earth , AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM .
• Revelation 12: 5-9



Now there was a day when The Sons Of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
• Job 1:6

Again there was a day when The Sons Of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
• Job 2:1


Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that The Sons Of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when The Sons Of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:1-4
You need to have a conversation with your priest about this unhealthy obsession of yours
 
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You need to have a conversation with your priest about this unhealthy obsession of yours

It falls into the "New Calendar vs Old Calendar" "Aerial Toll Houses" category.

And really that's just your opinion. People have disagreements that are not salvational matters.
 
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It falls into the "New Calendar vs Old Calendar" "Aerial Toll Houses" category.
It isn't remotely the same. We can observe our physical universe, take measurements, build our understanding based on those measurements and observations. We have actually sent craft out to orbit and photograph the planets in our solar system, and that has only been possible due to recognising that the view you put forward is false.
And really that's just your opinion. People have disagreements that are not salvational matters.
Stubbornness and pride are indeed matters of salvation.
 
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It isn't remotely the same. We can observe our physical universe, take measurements, build our understanding based on those measurements and observations. We have actually sent craft out to orbit and photograph the planets in our solar system, and that has only been possible due to recognising that the view you put forward is false.

Stubbornness and pride are indeed matters of salvation.


You have been duped into believing that you are spinning around the sun by CGI Fakery, Green Screens, Wires, Camera Trickery, Movie Props and Pools.

Not a single verse in The Holy Bible or sentence in The Holy Church Father Writings says that we are spinning around the sun. Not A Single One.


If you believe in Heliocentrism and Macroevolution then you will believe in the next Grand Illusion that deceives the whole world "Space Aliens" that are really just fallen angels and demons pretending to be space aliens.


So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, Who Deceives The Whole World; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
• Revelation 12:9


It's amazing how riled up people get when you don't believe what you have been told to believe and indoctrinated from birth by occultist freemasons tell you what to believe.
 
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I have photographed saturn and noting makes me believe that this is anything but a light (star).

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Now compare that with the Fake CGI version :

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And that's the thing though, It's All Fake CGI and always has been :


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You have been duped into believing that you are spinning around the sun by CGI Fakery, Green Screens, Wires, Camera Trickery, Movie Props and Pools.
Seriously not deserving of a response.
Lord have mercy.
 
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Seriously not deserving of a response.
Lord have mercy.


Father Seraphim Rose tried to wake people up from the hypnosis / spell of Macroevolution with his book : "Genesis, Creation and Early Man"

and he tried to warn people of the future religion of the Antichrist in his book : "Orthodoxy and Religion of The Future" by talking about how Alien Abductions were really just demonic encounters :


Orthodoxy and the religion of the Future - иеромонах Серафим (Роуз)

Alien Abductions and the Orthodox Christian

"It is worthy of note that the late Father Seraphim Rose, in his book Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future (Platina, CA: Saint Herman of Alaska Brotherhood, 1990; Revised Edition), has also examined the phenomenon of alien visitations to earth from an Orthodox standpoint. He devotes an entire chapter of this work, "‘Signs from Heaven:’ An Orthodox Christian Understanding of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)," to the true nature and meaning of alien contacts with human beings. Though Father Seraphim, at a superficial level, approaches this matter in a way reminiscent of Protestant fundamentalistic thinking, and while his materials are dated and center only on more sensationalistic abduction reports—deficits compounded by the fact that some of the authorities whom he cites are clearly on the fringes of science—, his deeper analysis of the phenomenon is ingenious and supports much of what I have suggested about alien encounters with humans. He also observes that the aliens in contemporary abduction reports are similar in appearance to the demons which, for centuries, have been described in Orthodox literature (p. 134). In fact, he recounts two cases of demonic "kidnappings" in fifteenth- and nineteenth-century Russia that, in Father Seraphim’s words, are "quite close to UFO ‘abductions’" today (pp. 136-137). It is his conclusion that classical demonic possession, known to the Orthodox Church for centuries, accounts for the alien abductions that we see in modern times and that "...modern men, for all their proud ‘enlightenment’ and ‘wisdom,’ are becoming once more aware of such experiences—but no longer have the Christian framework with which to explain them" (p. 137). This conclusion perfectly reflects what I have said about alien abductions and how they should be understood and viewed by the Orthodox Christian."

When Demons / Fallen Angels Appear As People (Very Interesting Video)


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but that is not described in the Bible nowhere.

Perhaps you could, for the class, show us where the Bible explains how the automobile works.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Father Seraphim Rose tried to wake people up from the hypnosis / spell of Macroevolution with his book : "Genesis, Creation and Early Man"

and he tried to warn people of the future religion of the Antichrist in his book : "Orthodoxy and Religion of The Future" by talking about how Alien Abductions were really just demonic encounters :
Fr Seraphim Rose has never denied that our planets orbit the sun nor that we have sent probes into space to photograph them from close up. You have completely left the reservation.
I am quite certain that macro evolution is bunk and do not believe there is life on other planets, but that is not what we were discussing, and the fact that you had to go off on such a tangent tells me a lot. This whole topic is very unhealthy for you spiritually as it brings out the worst in you (which to be honest is not that bad, but you still have plenty of room for improvement, as do we all).
This really is something you should talk to your priest about.
 
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I bet the people in Noah's time thought that he was foolish for being a preacher of righteousness and for building the ark and telling everyone that A World Wide Flood was coming.



And I bet people thought Isaiah was foolish for walking around naked and barefoot for 3 years :

In the year that Tartan came to Ashdod, when Sargon the king of Assyria sent him, and he fought against Ashdod and took it, at the same time the Lord spoke by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, "Go, and remove the sackcloth from your body, and take your sandals off your feet." And he did so, walking naked and barefoot. Then the Lord said, "Just as My servant Isaiah has walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and a wonder against Egypt and Ethiopia, so shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians as prisoners and the Ethiopians as captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.
• Isaiah 20:1-4



And I bet people thought that John The Baptist was foolish for wearing camel skins and eating wild locusts and honey:

And John himself was clothed in camel's hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey.
• Matthew 3:4
You are now placing yourself in the same league as Noah, Isaiah and John the Baptist.
Lord have mercy indeed.
 
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I bet the people in Noah's time thought that he was foolish for being a preacher of righteousness and for building the ark and telling everyone that A World Wide Flood was coming.



And I bet people thought Isaiah was foolish for walking around naked and barefoot for 3 years :

In the year that Tartan came to Ashdod, when Sargon the king of Assyria sent him, and he fought against Ashdod and took it, at the same time the Lord spoke by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, "Go, and remove the sackcloth from your body, and take your sandals off your feet." And he did so, walking naked and barefoot. Then the Lord said, "Just as My servant Isaiah has walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and a wonder against Egypt and Ethiopia, so shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians as prisoners and the Ethiopians as captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.
• Isaiah 20:1-4



And I bet people thought that John The Baptist was foolish for wearing camel skins and eating wild locusts and honey:

And John himself was clothed in camel's hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey.
• Matthew 3:4
So, either heliocentricism or geocentricism could arguably be adopted by an Orthodox Christian. Scripture seems to be geocentric, but this can also be described as simply Scripture describing how things appear to man. Lights in the sky. That's not untrue. From down here it does look like and is lights in the sky.

Either way. I'm kind of open minded on it. It's possible. But, trusting and growing in Christ should be our goal. Not so much astronomy.

"The Bible tells us how to go to Heaven, not how the Heavens go."

Venerable Cesare Baronius
 
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