Evangelical group wants gays removed from anti-lynching bill

I try not to get political, but I don't understand this at all. How can anyone think that there's a group that doesn't deserve to be protected from lynching, no matter what they believe? No one should ever be lynched, period!

Also in the bill.

Senate agreed to unanimously Senate Resolution 118, 115th Congress, on April 5, 2017, “[c]ondemning hate crime and any other form of racism, religious or ethnic bias, discrimination, incitement to violence, or animus targeting a minority in the United States”

The remark in the article by liberty says they rejected it because of other things in the bill that would be problematic in the future. I agree "religious bias" is a fatally vague term in regards to religious liberty. I seriously doubt they want gay and trans language removed from the bill so they can lynch them as the article title tries to evoke in the reader, but to protect religious liberty to speak on the morality of homosexuality and transexual life styles.

Pretty misleading title and article itself.

They are saying they don't like the language used. For example, if the language is used in other bills, their fear is that the terms gender identity and sexual orientation could lead to a form of Christian persecution. At least, this is what they are saying they believe.

A practical example would be laws that make it illegal to call a person who identifies as female but is biologically male, a male. Evangelicals and many Christians as a whole are worried about future bills and laws slipping in that would persecute those who refuse to bend the knee to these things.
This is why they used the language "in the future they will go for the juggular" in the article, because they are afraid of the language itself and meanings behind them slipping into the legal system bit by bit until comes to the point where Christians will face persecution.

Not saying I agree with them or their belief these shouldn't be included. I just don't like misleading things

tulc said:

Evangelical group wants gays removed from anti-lynching bill

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Never heard of Liberty Council and not sure why anyone should take them seriously, why this is something that should waste news space, or why anyone should concern themselves with whatever they're doing.

Yawn.

It was more interesting figuring out how my garbage disposal worked.

tulc said:

Evangelical group wants gays removed from anti-lynching bill

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This is the same guy who said the Girl Scouts promote promiscuity and abortion. He repeated a story that had been told and debunked years ago.

I'm very glad LGBT was included in the bill, despite the complaint on the wording of religious liberty for Christians. LGBT people living in America should be protected from religious based prejudice and discrimination. The life of a LGBT person is no less valuable than the life of a straight person. A LGBT person does not deserve to be ostracized from their family and live in shame simply because some Christians or other religious people disapprove of their sexual orientation. LGBT people are human beings and they shouldn't have to fear for their life. Sadly, some religious people living in America are under the impression that they should have the moral and legal right to use their religious beliefs as an excuse to discriminate against LGBT American citizens and deny them rights and equality.

LGBT rights and equality has been an ongoing fight and struggle in this country, which is more than pathetic considering America is supposed to have been founded on freedom, liberty and justice for all. I don't seem to recall any stipulations to these particular ideals of freedom if evangelicals or some other religious people disapprove of LGBT because their sexual orientation isn't biblically approved.

Should adulterers, fornicators, liars, thieves, idolaters and every other sinner living in America be denied civil rights and equality solely based upon their sins? If that's the case, then every sinful person living in America should kiss any chance of equality and their fundamental rights as American citizens good-bye. Why are LGBT American citizens being singled out when there are so many other Americans who are guilty of sexual sins and all manner of sins themselves? And it's very disingenuous (to the point of hypocrisy) for any Christian who supports Donald Trump to point a judgmental finger at a LGBT person for their sexual sins. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Lily Sunflower said:

I try not to get political, but I don't understand this at all. How can anyone think that there's a group that doesn't deserve to be protected from lynching, no matter what they believe? No one should ever be lynched, period!

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I think a lot the opposition has to do with some religious people dehumanizing LGBT people. If these religious people don't have to think of an LGBT person as a human being, then they don't have to treat that person with respect and compassion. I guess it must be easier on their conscience to marginalize and disparage LGBT people rather than treat them with respect, kindness and compassion.

Shiloh Raven said:

I think a lot the opposition has to do with some religious people dehumanizing LGBT people. If these religious people don't have to think of an LGBT person as a human being, then they don't have to treat that person with respect and compassion. I guess it must be easier on their conscience to marginalize and disparage LGBT people rather than treat them with respect, kindness and compassion.

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Would you watch this 7 min. video and tell me what you think? Thanks.

tulc said:

...you do realize we've had to pass laws to make it illegal to claim "gay panic" as a defense for attacking or killing trans/gay people here in the US, right?
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

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I can't tell what point you are making in regards to what I said.

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If someones very existence can be used by some people as a defense for killing them? I don't actually care what excuse other people use to try and remove them from a bill of this type, I think they're wrong.
tulc(hopes that explains his response)

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Liberty explained why they were against the bill, which I included earlier. Their explanation had nothing to do with lynching someone. They asked that the dangerously vague wording be removed before the vote.

tulc said:

...and I explained why I didn't care what excuses they used to justify doing so.
tulc(thought he was quite clear about that)

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In the United States there is already no defense for killing someone because of thier existence.

tulc said:

Man cleared of murder using 'gay panic' defence in US

Gay Panic Defense Gets Murder Defendant Off

Gay and Trans "Panic" Defense - The National LGBTBar Association
tulc(hopes these help explain)

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You are misunderstanding this. "Gay Panic" is not a legal defense. Self defense in rape cases is a legal defense, and that is what is being presented by the defense. Self defense under the belief of rape by the same sex is being coined "Gay Panic". But that is a mischaracterization of what the defense is actually claiming. It is a bad mischaracterization because rape does happen and it needs to be taken seriously. If innocent, these examples are the result of a bad judgement on a rape allegation, not a legal defense called "Gay Panic" that let's you freely kill any Gay person that comes on to you. The media, on any side of an issue, is trying to manipulate your perception of the world. It's a pain, but you have to dig through any controversial article that you come across.

Hank77 said:

Would you watch this 7 min. video and tell me what you think? Thanks.

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He's disrupting public peace.