Do creationists critically examine their own ideas (re: creationism)?

HitchSlap said:

Lol. Ok if I’m amused by the fact a grown man is scared of a scientific theory? AV, have you ever considered that if your god exists, that he might actually reward intellectual honesty? Instead, you’re left having to justify beliefs in a god that appears to be deliberately deceptive. Maybe the jokes on you and it’s us who’s really saved.

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Sounds like someone's burning the midnight oil to keep from going to the lake of fire.

AV1611VET said:

Sounds like someone's burning the midnight oil to keep from going to the lake of fire.

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Ha. If hell was real, you mean.

I sleep like a baby!

On a serious note, I do pity you for having to worry about ending up in hell if you don’t please supreme leader.

AV1611VET said:

Sounds like someone's burning the midnight oil

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You really do suck at analogies.

Tinker Grey said:

You really do suck at analogies.

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What???

You didn't think his little paragraph was impressive?

It impressed me.

I mean, if God rewards intellectual honesty, no wonder atheists exist.

HitchSlap said:

On a serious note, I do pity you for having to worry about ending up in hell if you don’t please supreme leader.

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I've already got BB on READ ONLY status for now for the same antics.

I'd hate to do the same for you.

You're one of the more honest academians here.

AV1611VET said:

I've already got BB on READ ONLY status for now for the same antics.

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That's an option? Nobody told me that was an option! How do I get it? Do I have to fill out an application form stating why I should be eligible to have you ignore my posts? Is there a payment involved? (I'd be willing to waive it. Hold on to your money.)
I'm so happy!

Ophiolite said:

That's an option? Nobody told me that was an option! How do I get it? Do I have to fill out an application form stating why I should be eligible to have you ignore my posts? Is there a payment involved? (I'd be willing to waive it. Hold on to your money.)
I'm so happy!

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BB = Bungle Bear

Kylie said:

Since you don't know that science is based on observable and verifiable evidence from the real world, I don't see how you are qualified to participate in a discussion about this topic.

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Origin so called science is based wholly on beliefs. Kid yourself all you like.

Shemjaza said:

They certainly could be.

But, the problem is that if you don't already believe in them, then there's no way to tell the difference between a true religious truth, a delusion and a deliberate lie.

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No way for demon science to tell. Others can simply ask God, and if that is too much, can simply read what He said already. You thought we needed the godless so called science religion to stamp approval?

Shemjaza said:

objective scientific

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This seems a bit oxymoronic to me...

pitabread said:

I don't know how one would would do that

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Try thinking and doing the exact opposite of what you have been indoctrinated with and practice. Know this...all of us have actively attempted to disprove the existence of God (this is our unnatural bent)...whether consciously or unconsciously from birth...be like the salmon and try swimming upstream...

dad said:

No way for demon science to tell. Others can simply ask God, and if that is too much, can simply read what He said already. You thought we needed the godless so called science religion to stamp approval?

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This "Science" (dividing of corruption) has led to more species being eradicated off the face of the earth, than anything else.

Tone said:

Try thinking and doing the exact opposite of what you have been indoctrinated with and practice. Know this...all of us have actively attempted to disprove the existence of God (this is our unnatural bent)...whether consciously or unconsciously from birth...be like the salmon and try swimming upstream...

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Interesting assertion. Do you have any evidence to support it? I spent most of my teenage years trying to convince myself that the Christian God existed. I very much wanted to believe his existence was real. Despite my best efforts in that direction I failed. I've felt no inclination before or since to disprove the existence of any God. For one thing I don't think that would be possible; certainly not with the tools of science.

Aside: Your suggestion that our desire to disprove God might be subconscious is as fatuous and nonsense ridden as Freudian psychology. I'll suggest that consciously or unconsciously you know your argument is weak and just want to leave an apparent out for yourself.

dad said:

Origin so called science is based wholly on beliefs. Kid yourself all you like.

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Another unsupported claim. It's getting tired, dad, can't you get anything that has even a little support for it?

Tone said:

This "Science" (dividing of corruption) has led to more species being eradicated off the face of the earth, than anything else.

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No worries, even if they wipe them all out God can make some news ones when the kingdom comes. Who knows, maybe He even has a farm in heaven that has all those creatures He knows man will wipe out..

Kylie said:

Another unsupported claim. It's getting tired, dad, can't you get anything that has even a little support for it?

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You claimed something I pointed out it was belief based. Your option is to show us how it is not.

dad said:

You claimed something I pointed out it was belief based. Your option is to show us how it is not.

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Once again you seem befuddled by the concept of "burden of proof."

You made the claim that science is based on nothing but beliefs. You must show the support for that claim, or your claim is meaningless.

dad said:

No worries, even if they wipe them all out God can make some news ones when the kingdom comes. Who knows, maybe He even has a farm in heaven that has all those creatures He knows man will wipe out..

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Yeah...a new heavens and a new earth...wherein corruption will be done away with...no more entropy and unnatural science...just like in the beginning!

dad said:

No way for demon science to tell. Others can simply ask God, and if that is too much, can simply read what He said already. You thought we needed the godless so called science religion to stamp approval?

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As I stated, you just don't have any system for differentiating your particular beliefs for any other sincere interpretations or intuitions for anyone outside your own head.

Tone said:

This seems a bit oxymoronic to me...

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Can you describe what you mean?

Things like DNA of extant species and the isotope percentages of dead terrestrial species seem to be objective points of fact that don't change with the spirituality and intuitions of viewers.

Ophiolite said:

spent most of my teenage years trying to convince myself that the Christian God existed. I very much wanted to believe his existence was real.

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Hey hey

What methods did you use in your teenage years?

What convinced you the God of Abraham cannot be real?

Cheers