Wheat and tares, why cant they be separated?

W2L said:

Surely God can remove Godless people from the planet without removing the Godly, so why cant he separate the wheat and tares? Can the answer help us understand this parable? Or am i entering twilight zone theology?


Matthew 13:24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

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Do you know what a tare is?



JLB

W2L said:

Surely God can remove Godless people from the planet without removing the Godly, so why cant he separate the wheat and tares? Can the answer help us understand this parable? Or am i entering twilight zone theology?


Matthew 13:24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

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Wheat and tares can not be separated while we are all in the flesh. When we are in the Kingdom of God, in our holy bodies, in the New Jerusalem. we will have passed judgment day which will involve the separation of the wheat and the tares.

W2L said:

But if wheat are Godly people and tares are the ungodly, why cant he separate them? How does removing a godless person also remove a godly one?

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What if God is using that tare to develop wheat? What if you had a bad parent or teacher who was necessary for your survival or advancement at one point? Everything is interrelated and complex, the way tares' and wheat' roots intertwine under the soil. Sometimes tares can be pulled, but we have to be careful about it.

the sowers sows the seed....what is the seed? Words. The seeds grow in us and produce either tares or wheat. The tares pass as "correct Christian doctrine"...but in fact they are lifeless and do not profit at all. The wheat, the true seed, Jesus Himself in us, always profits in the thing for which He is sent. People defend their tares to the death! God will not force anyone to give up their particular tares. By grace we may begin to hate the fruit that grows upon our tree, and begin to ask Father if what I believe is the cause of such bitter barren fruit? THEN God will begin to reveal the tare to us, not someone else's, but ours. Then He gives us eyes to see, for we have asked Him to. Even then, once we see the tare we have believed, it is not a matter of pulling it up. WE need the Father to teach us inwardly by revelation of the Spirit what the truth is. Then we enter into watering that seed instead. Ever tried to keep your lawn weed free? The best way is to have a healthy well fed and well watered lawn.

W2L said:

But if wheat are Godly people and tares are the ungodly, why cant he separate them? How does removing a godless person also remove a godly one?

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The tares look exactly like the wheat.


The only way to distinguish between the two, is the wheat produces “fruit”, or wheat.

If you uproot the tares before the end of the harvest season you may uproot wheat that is a late bloomer, thinking it was a tare.


You familiar with marijuana plants?


The “male” plant does not produce and buds.


The only way to tell them apart is the female produces buds.




JLB

W2L said:

But if wheat are Godly people and tares are the ungodly, why cant he separate them? How does removing a godless person also remove a godly one?

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Actually, the tares are within the Christian body. Some are in Christ and some are not though mixed in together as if they are one. These are the false prophets and those who have not received the Holy Spirit. The unbeliever is not in this group.

W2L said:

Surely God can remove Godless people from the planet without removing the Godly, so why cant he separate the wheat and tares? Can the answer help us understand this parable? Or am i entering twilight zone theology?


Matthew 13:24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

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"No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”

He can separate them ... and will separate them .... the time of the harvest is not yet.

The harvest takes place when the Lord returns.

There is more sowing and planting to be done (more to be saved) before the harvest and the wheat (all the saved) are gathered into his barn (heaven).

It's not that he can't .... it's just not time yet.

W2L said:

Surely God can remove Godless people from the planet without removing the Godly, so why cant he separate the wheat and tares? Can the answer help us understand this parable? Or am i entering twilight zone theology?


Matthew 13:24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

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Here is why God used this picture...

Wheat and tares look EXACTLY the same while growing. However, once we get to harvest time.... the wheat begin to bend over, as if bowing before a King. A tare has nothing in it's head so it stands up straight and tall, like one filled with pride." That is the difference.... but why let them grow up together until the end? Because God will give everyone a chance to bow before we have no time to bow.

W2L said:

Surely God can remove Godless people from the planet without removing the Godly, so why cant he separate the wheat and tares? Can the answer help us understand this parable? Or am i entering twilight zone theology?


Matthew 13:24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

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The wheat and the tares do not represent the church and the world, but the elect and the religious IN the church.

And why can they not be separated? Because both are asleep, going through religious motions, learning doctrine but not knowing God, satisfied with religious husks that satisfy not.

God sowed the early church and it was amazing. Good seed. But Paul knew what we have pretty much overlooked. He had been shown by God that after his death, grievous wolves would enter the flock, sparing not the sheep.

Christianity would move from the early rain to the nineteen hundred year long summer. No overcoming life, but enough to not be eradicated altogether. A skeleton of what we once were. Dry bones.

We do not yet realize that though we may look dead, we still possess the DNA of the early saints. And we are beginning to awaken to who we truly are.

This awakening will affect every single person who considers themselves a child of God. All will awaken. But..... not all will respond and light their lamps.

It is here, right here, that the final separation will occur. We think we have seen the great falling away already. Not so. But it is on the horizon and approaching fast.

And what is this "lighting ones lamp"? It is finally coming into agreement with God that we ARE new creatures and that we can stop trying to deny self and instead accept, by a radical act of faith, that it already is dead.

And when we do, scales will fall from our eyes and we will again experience what the early saints did on the day of Pentecost. Someone will shout "Live bones, live!", and to our amazement we will finally understand what it is to abide in Him , and experience first hand "the exceeding greatness of His power to usward who believe."

As we combine the blood of the Lamb with the words of OUR testimony, and yield ourselves to God as "those who are alive from the dead", we will be changed from the inside out from the overcome to the overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil. Glory!

blessings,

Gideon

W2L said:

Surely God can remove Godless people from the planet without removing the Godly, so why cant he separate the wheat and tares? Can the answer help us understand this parable? Or am i entering twilight zone theology?


Matthew 13:24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

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You ask a valid question that would require some contemplation.

I think @paul1149 has the best response you've gotten to this thread so far.

Admittedly dealing with tares can be very painful. "for if it were possible the very elect would be deceived". I've encountered situations where it was very obvious to several people that the motives of particular individuals were far off being pure. Actually they were very mean spirited. Yet certain others could not see that? Having actually their senses being dulled by flattery. And how do they not see that either?

Tares wreck the unity that's suppose to be in the church; and yes it would seem reasonable to me that "weed the garden" every once in a while would be a good thing - yet this passage says not to do that?

So; good question. There has to be some explanation of what or how this would also uproot wheat? Yet if the wheat are eternally secure in God's atoning for their sin - what would it mean to uproot them? I know that may seem like a stupid question but - I think you raise a valid point.

paul1149 said:

What if God is using that tare to develop wheat? What if you had a bad parent or teacher who was necessary for your survival or advancement at one point? Everything is interrelated and complex, the way tares' and wheat' roots intertwine under the soil. Sometimes tares can be pulled, but we have to be careful about it.

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This is a good answer. I would also add that unlike plants, men can change. Tares can become wheat (St Paul and the thief on the cross for example) and wheat can turn into a tare (ex. Judas). Our status is not fixed until our last breath.

I am the Tare.........I am also the wheat.... I can try to remove all my tares and leave only good.... But when I would do good, evil seems to be always present..... I eventually give up trying......realizing that, for me, it is impossible........But for God....All things are possible... The seed is planted and I now put my trust in the Lord.......
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in (me) will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"

Therefore I no longer put faith in myself to complete this division...but in God......Through the Word of God....."For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

W2L said:

But if wheat are Godly people and tares are the ungodly, why cant he separate them? How does removing a godless person also remove a godly one?

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I think it would mean end of this world. And it would mean that more people would have time to grow.

W2L said:

Surely God can remove Godless people from the planet without removing the Godly, so why cant he separate the wheat and tares? Can the answer help us understand this parable? Or am i entering twilight zone theology?


Matthew 13:24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

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The tares are those that speak the Anathema Gospels, that are not the One True Gospel, Christ uses Paul to reveal.

The tares have hope. I had been a tare in my younger days. Life and the Wheat, but mostly the Holy Spirit, led me to Christ... in full.

I ditched all of my religious ways and fell before Jesus surrendered.

The poison doctrine is all around us, but we aren’t to hold people apart from mercy, because of Jesus’ mercy to us. The most painful thing a tare gets from the wheat is a reminder that Jesus is sufficient.

To say tares aren’t saved is an impossible endeavor, because the Holy Spirit works at the Holy Spirits pace.

We can’t give up on tares, nor weed them out or kick them to the curb. All we can do is remind one another of how great our merciful Lord, Jesus is and dress in the full armor of God Against such things.

That’s my opinion.