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Actually no. I was giving a hint as to how to defeat pride in one's life. How is that inspecting? I did not point out pride where someone else did not say differently. Are you sure you know inspecting when you see it? A man says he has a problem with pride and I give him the Biblical answer that I know works. You then say I am inspecting. Is that what teachers do all day long when they teach? It that was JEsus did his whole life by giving teaching and instruction?

We are not teachers... there is only 1 Teacher.

Not one worthy lesson on humility is accomplished by one’s self. (Think about that sincerely and look for the obvious irony)
 
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Jesus is being sarcastic here, the point being that the Pharisees think they are not sick:
I do not think he was being sarcastic. He was using an illustration. Those who are well do not need a doctor but those who are ill are. Why is that sarcastic? IT is true. He also said he came to calll not the righteous but sinners. Same idea.
Ask yourself if Israel would have come out of Egypt if they did not feel confident that God was with Moses.
How would we know? Wouldn't any slave welcome an end to slavery no matter who was leading them?
Next time your pastor asks you to evangelise, rescue people out of Egypt, ask him to lay hands on you.

Exodus 4
1Then Moses answered, “What if they refuse to believe me or listen to my voice? For they may say, ‘The LORD has not appeared to you.’”

2And the LORD asked him, “What is that in your hand?”

“A staff,” he replied.

3“Throw it on the ground,” said the Lord. So Moses threw it on the ground, and it became a snake, and he ran from it.

4“Stretch out your hand and grab it by the tail,” the LORD said to Moses. So he reached out his hand and caught the snake, and it turned back into a staff in his hand. 5“This is so that they may believe that the LORD, the God of their fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has appeared to you.
When Moses did all that, they were grateful God had heard their prayers and was coming to help them.
The Gospel is that what was promised to Abraham has come to us, the empowerment to be a blessing to the world. Like Moses, like Christ. Through being in Christ.
Correct.
 
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We are not teachers... there is only 1 Teacher.
Well, I went to school and we were taught by teachers. They have a union now and are better paid before, not that I am in favor of unions. If you ask some people at social gatherings what they do for a living, some will say they are teachers. Do you tell them that they are not teachers as we have only 1 teacher? Besides, anytime you learn anything from anyone else, they were teaching. I did not claim to BE a teacher, just teaching something from scripture. THis is part of speaking to one another from scripture.
Not one worthy lesson on humility is accomplished by one’s self. (Think about that sincerely and look for the obvious irony)
Well, if you refuse to consider input not recognizing scripture that is being presented, then no learning will take place. I Still wish you well.
 
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I do not think he was being sarcastic. He was using an illustration. Those who are well do not need a doctor but those who are ill are. Why is that sarcastic? IT is true. He also said he came to calll not the righteous but sinners. Same idea.
When Jesus said he had come for the sick, the Jews were shocked, because they knew they were all sick, not just the prodigals, the tax collectors and the prostitutes. Think deeply through this. I will explain if you get stuck.
How would we know? Wouldn't any slave welcome an end to slavery no matter who was leading them?

They would rather have stayed in slavery with food than escape to freedom and death.
When Moses did all that, they were grateful God had heard their prayers and was coming to help them.
No. They were unsure, and only happy about the signs when it benefited them. When Pharoah took away the straw used to make bricks, they cursed Moses.

Would you follow someone out of Egypt, selfish living, if the person who claimed to have left selfish living was in a bad condition? God's command was to seek the kingdom, and all that was needed to sustain earthly life would be added to it. Do not worry about food and clothing, even Solomon in all his glory could not match the beauty of the wild flower, whose life was sustained by God.
 
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When Jesus said he had come for the sick, the Jews were shocked, because they knew they were all sick, not just the prodigals, the tax collectors and the prostitutes. Think deeply through this. I will explain if you get stuck.
Since none of the gospel writers report that the Jews were shocked or that they all thought they were sick, this is not true. They wrote that the Jews were surprised or angry or jealous. But none wrote what you say they felt. If you would really be a word keeper, you ought to stick to the words written.
They would rather have stayed in slavery with food than in freedom and death.
Where did a gospel writer say this?
No. They were unsure and only happy about the signs when it benefited them. When Pharoah took away the straw used to make bricks, they cursed Moses.
They had expectations about freedom that were not immediately met. It is called major disappointment. Makes people angry at times.
 
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Since none of the gospel writers report that the Jews were shocked or that they all thought they were sick, this is not true. They wrote that the Jews were surprised or angry or jealous. But none wrote what you say they felt. If you would really be a word keeper, you ought to stick to the words written.
Dorothy, do you really really really think that Jesus was talking about bodily sickness, and that the non observant Jews were sick and the observant Jews were not?

The standard for good health was the reign of David. That's why the Messiah is called the Son of David.
 
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Still inspecting.

Dude literally poured his heart out.
So he doesn't want help but just simpathy?
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Obedience is a mysterious word. The one who claims it is theirs is fooling no one.[/quote]Well, the one to whom God says "well done" knows it is not mysterious and no one is being fooled, even them.
The one who obeys, knows they can’t.
Sounds like fooling themselves.
 
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Dorothy, do you really really really think that Jesus was talking about bodily sickness, and that the non observant Jews were sick and the observant Jews were not?
I said it was an illustration same as he came to call sinners not the righteous. I am pretty sure no one thought of sin as a sickness. They did not call sinners "sick" but people who were physcially sick. Read about who Jesus healed. NOT one was designed as being healed who was "spiritually sick," a term not found in the whole of the Bible.
 
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I said it was an illustration same as he came to call sinners not the righteous. I am pretty sure no one thought of sin as a sickness. They did not call sinners "sick" but people who were physcially sick. Read about who Jesus healed. NOT one was designed as being healed who was "spiritually sick," a term not found in the whole of the Bible.
Do you really really really think that the tax collectors and the prostitutes were sick?

Matthew 9
10Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples. 11When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, “Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?” 12But when Jesus heard this, He said, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. 13“But go and learn what this means: ‘I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,’ for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
 
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Do you really really really think that the tax collectors and the prostitutes were sick?
There is some kind of disconnect. I said sinners were not called sick by people then and I do not call them sick either. Why do you think I am saying the exact opposite of what I wrote?
 
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There is some kind of disconnect. I said sinners were not called sick by people then and I do not call them sick either. Why do you think I am saying the exact opposite of what I wrote?
Then why is Jesus calling the tax collectors and prostitutes sick people?
 
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Then why is Jesus calling the tax collectors and prostitutes sick people?
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

He is not calling them sick. He is calling them sinner. He never talked about GOd forgiving the sick. He heals the sick, not forgive them. He forgives sinner and heals the sick. The sick and the sinners are not the same thing and not interchangable. He was also not a practicing doctor. It was an illustration, not a description of the sinners as sick and he is the doctor.
 
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On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

He is not calling them sick. He is calling them sinner. He never talked about GOd forgiving the sick. He heals the sick, not forgive them. He forgives sinner and heals the sick. The sick and the sinners are not the same thing and not interchangable. He was also not a practicing doctor. It was an illustration, not a description of the sinners as sick and he is the doctor.
He is comparing doctors and sick with Himself and the sinners.

1 Peter 2
24He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
 
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Where did a gospel writer say this? They had expectations about freedom that were not immediately met. It is called major disappointment. Makes people angry at times.

1 Corinthians 10
10And do not grumble, as some of them did--and were killed by the destroying angel.

Numbers 16:
41
The next day the entire congregation of Israel grumbled against Moses and Aaron, saying, "You have killed the LORD's people!"
 
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He is comparing doctors and sick with Himself and the sinners.
Well, it is an illustration. They are not being literally called sick same as we are not literally sheep. He is not the saviour of sheep. The Hebrews were fond of illustrations or metaphors.
1 Peter 2
24He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
It is true. I and many others have experienced physical healing because he was physically wounded.
 
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Well, it is an illustration. They are not being literally called sick same as we are not literally sheep. He is not the saviour of sheep. The Hebrews were fond of illustrations or metaphors.
It is true. I and many others have experienced physical healing because he was physically wounded.
Please. The context is about sin.
 
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1 Corinthians 10
10And do not grumble, as some of them did--and were killed by the destroying angel.

Numbers 16:
41
The next day the entire congregation of Israel grumbled against Moses and Aaron, saying, "You have killed the LORD's people!"
You said they were confident God was with Moses. I said they had expectations. Grumbling comes when expectations are not met.
 
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Please. The context is about sin.
It was an illustration same as we are not literally branches or sheep or goats. Sinners are not merely sick. They are called evildoers, not sick. Jesus said they (some) would die in the sin, not in their sickness. I can provide lots and lots of these where Jesus called sinners names that clearly show he did not think it merely a sickness for which no one is at fault.
 
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You said they were confident God was with Moses. I said they had expectations. Grumbling comes when expectations are not met.
Their confidence was built when Moses proved God was with him. That's why they left Egypt. If someone told you if you wanted to have eternal life, live the life God promised Abraham his seed would have, be fulfilled, perfected, you needed to stop placing your faith in your money and give it away, and follow Jesus, depend on Him, would you believe and obey him if he was in a pitiable state?
 
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It was an illustration same as we are not literally branches or sheep or goats. Sinners are not merely sick. They are called evildoers, not sick. Jesus said they (some) would die in the sin, not in their sickness. I can provide lots and lots of these where Jesus called sinners names that clearly show he did not think it merely a sickness for which no one is at fault.
It doesn't matter if it is an illustration. The fact is that when Christ took the curse on Himself, because Scripture says "Cursed is the man who is hung upon a tree", the curse/stripes/punishment healed our wounds. Since our wounds are our sins, he healed/cleansed us of our unrighteousness.
 
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