Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

Did event of Israel 1948 fulfill any Bible prophecy?


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Correct.

What has gone on thru history is that there have been many attempts to eliminate Jacob (Israel). When that didn't work, then the move came to marginalize and negate them as a people and make another people appear to be the true Israel. And in doing so, provide the fuel for anti-semitic activities that have gone on thru history. First to prevent Yeshua from coming the first time and now to prevent Yeshua from coming the second time. In both instances, Israel is the conduit for Him to come. And many seem to hate that idea.

All of it for one purpose... to prevent Messiah from returning, since it will take a non-believing Hebrew people to recognize their rejection of Yeshua and petition for His return before He will. If Satan can eliminate the Hebrew people, then he can prevent Yeshua from returning.

Yeshua in Hosea 5 and Matthew 23 pretty much makes that clear. And it flies in the face of the ideas that go around. Hosea 5:14 makes it clear that both Judah and Ephraim (Israel) is in view. Hosea 5:15 makes it clear that Yeshua will return to His place until they (both) acknowledge their (both) rejection and call on Him. And "in their (both) affliction" likely is a reference to the "time of Jacob's trouble" of Jeremiah 30. Hosea 6 then talks about them (both) being chastised and that they would return after 2 days. On the third day they would be raised up. When one applies 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalms 90:4 to Hosea, the picture emerges of the period after Yeshua's return to His place and the last almost 2000 years. And Yeshua in Matthew 23, talking about how He wanted to gather them to Him and they would not have any part of it, then tells them that they will not see Him again (as the one who will gather them to Him) until they recite Psalms 118 and proclaim "blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord."


Well this insidious "replacement theology" was Born under Augustine in the fourth century, when he popularized an allegorical interpretation of scripture. The Roman Church adopted it and shortly afterwards the "Christianized " world was thrown into the dark ages!

There will be loads of stunned faces when God fulfills His Promises to the children of Abraham Isaac and Jacob just as He said He would!

God uses we saved gentiles to provoke His covenant people to Jealousy!
 
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God uses we saved gentiles to provoke His covenant people to Jealousy!

What is really sad about that is we have done a really lousy job. One can only imagine how things would be different if we had done things the way we should have to provoke Israel and they would have already returned to Yeshua.
 
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That DNA was never an issue does not line up with the coming of the Messiah. He would be of the lineage of David. DNA sure applied there. And that DNA lineage extended beyond David to include Boaz and Ruth. And it doesn't mean 100% DNA, as Obed (David's grandfather) was 25% Hebrew, but it does require DNA lineage. And it was shown in Matthew, clear back thru Abraham. And Yeshua was declared by Gabriel that His name would be Yeshua because He will save His people and that He would be given the throne of His father David. All before He was circumcised. DNA was everything.

And It can be argued that the sheep and goat judgment of Matthew 25, that the nations are being judged on how they treated Yeshua's brethren, the physical lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That lines up with Joel 3. So again, DNA does mean everything.
 
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You will have to look at the studies done by Bennett Greenspan regarding the cohanim studies and genetic linkage. He has worked closely with those who's focus has been to establish the priestly line in anticipation of the third temple.

Did a little research on the studies......

Greenspan did not get a degree in genetics, he was a business man who started company Family Tree DNA. he partnered with the university of arizona (who did the studies on the cohen gene prior to Greenspan partnering with them) to perform the dna testing for the Family Tree DNA.
Bennett Greenspan - Wikipedia

To make it as simple as possible, Men inherit 50% of DNA from their mother (x chromosome) and 50% of DNA from their father (Y chromosome). The same Y chromosome is passed down from the father to son, throughout with each generation.

So in theory, those whose surname is cohen and claim to be descended from Aaron should ALL have the same y chromosome with the same genetic markers on the y chromosome. This was hypothezied by Dr. Skorecki who then worked with professor hammer from the university of Arizona to test this hypothesis. http://www.cohen-levi.org/jewish_genes_and_genealogy/the_dna_chain_of_tradition.htm

Dr. Skorecki's team termed 6 genetic markers on the Y chromosome as the cohen modal haplotype. These 6 genetic markers in theory should be common to an ancestor around 3,000 years ago, and should be shared by those who claim, today, to be true cohens.
Y-chromosomal Aaron - Wikipedia

Dr. SKorecki looked at 6 genetic markers ( j1 cohen modal haplotype) on the y chromosomes of the cohens. Turns out only around 58%, and not ALL, of sephardic cohens have the cohen modal haplotype and 48%, and not ALL, of ashkenazi cohens have the cohen modal haplotype on the y chromosome. So what this tells us, is that not all who claim to be cohen's descend from the cohen common ancestor.
Y-chromosomal Aaron - Wikipedia
https://www.csueastbay.edu/museum/files/docs/exhibit/dna/dna-ychrom-jewish-priests.pdf

Another study was done using 12 genetic markers (to be more specific) on the y chromosome of cohens. What was found was the only half of cohens have y-chromosomal J1 m267 while other kohens have y-chromosomal j2a. In other words, different ancestries! So which ancestry is the true line of Aaron, those who have genetic marker J1 or J2?
Y-chromosomal Aaron - Wikipedia
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Genetics cannot confirm with 100% certainty who descends from Aaron. We do not have Aaron's DNA to match the current samples obtained from those who claim to be descended from him, which could rule out the other cohen ancestries.

Additionally, the current process of modern day judaism, based on extra biblical rabbinic writings, to select a priest is based on presumption, not genealogical record (as none are available) nor genetic testing (this cannot prove 100% certainty).

So again, per Ezra, genealogical records were required to serve in the temple. IF they didn't have the family records, the Urim and Thummin were used to determine if they were in fact descendants of the priesthood.
 
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All that you said I agree to except that we are spiritual Jews! No we are spiritual gentiles!
I will disagree respectfully on the basis that passages are many times read incorrectly. The "spiritual Jew" concept is what closes out Romans 2...where Paul makes the argument that Jews and Gentiles are both under sin, and that God is not impartial to either! He closes it out at Romans 2:28-29 where this is said:
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God
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The point here is that of being a "spiritual Jew" when one is converted because the circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit (salvation), is the New Covenant which Christ introduced prior to becoming the Passover Lamb.

It has always been the circumcision of the heart that makes the difference as said way back in Deuteronomy 10:16. The physical circumcision has always been an outward sign of an inward work...which is the circumcision of the heart!

Yes one of the many covenants God made with Abraham is about the Promised seed which you are talking about here and I agree.

We are heirs according to eh promise (all nations shall be blessed in Abraham) but we are not children by blood of which there are still binding covenants God made!

there are 8 covenants in the Bible 3 are for all mankind and 5 are for Israel!

The 5 for Israel are
The Abrahamic covenant
the Mosaic covenant
The Palestinian or land covenant
The davidic Covenant and the New covenant!

Of these only the Mosaic covenant is conditional and is now voided and fulfilled in Jesus! The other four God bound Himself to fulfill them and He will!

An excellent study that shows all the Scriptures is found here:

http://www.arielm.org/dcs/pdf/mbs021m.pdf

Hopes this helps you to see that calling Christians "Spiritual Jews" is a misnomer!
No...it doesn't help. What it actually does is miss the mark of the passage.

*The Abrahamic and Davidic covenants point to Christ. Isaac, the child of promise to Abraham, brings forth Christ...Romans 9:8, also again...Galatians 3, where Paul painstakingly makes the point! Many times in the Gospel Christ is called "Son of David" by those who understood the Davidic Covenant is Christ. Paul took Romans 4, for the particular purpose of helping saint's to understand the "descendants of Abraham" are those who have the faith of Abraham...NOT those who think being physical descendant's matters at all. One can be physical descendant of Abraham...and because they don't have the "faith of Abraham"...they are lost! The faith of Abraham works inwardly for the Jew, as well as the Gentile...as Paul says...there is no diference!

*Do you also miss the fact that when Christ appears, He is God's Servant Israel...which is Isaiah 49? Jesus is what now makes all in Christ "A CHOSEN GENERATION" under the New Covenant. He is the "Israel of God" Paul refers to in Galatians 6:
13 For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh.
14 But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
16 And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God
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Lastly, Paul again makes the point at Philippians 3:2-4:
2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision;
3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh...


When you understand in this passage "circumcision", a word Paul commonly uses as a slang for Jews...you can get the thrust of it. The "false circumcision" Jews who hold to the Old Covenant, while denying Christ!

I hold to being a "spiritual Jew" but...I don't make it a big deal to those who don't or won't acknowledge that. I just again hold to Paul's prominent statement in Ephesians 2:11-22. It's pretty clear.
 
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You worry about the gnats of this!

So ezra was wrong to require genealogical records for those who claimed to be of the tribe of Levi? He was just "worrying about the gnats of this"?

You forget God is on the throne! He knows how to sort out so the Levites and Cohen will do service in the third temple !

Under the old covenant God provided a way to sort out the levites and Cohen if no genealogical records were available: Urim and Thummin.

However, the old covenant was made obsolete at the cross, and the law was changed upon Christ's ascension into heaven, as He, from the tribe of Judah and not of levi, became our new high priest.


Hebrews 8:13 By speaking of a new covenant,c He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Hebrews 7:11-12 Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on this basis the people received the law), why was there still need for another priest to appear—one in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed as well.

He will not honor the sacrifices, but will honor His covenant with teh physical descendants of Abraham Isaac and JAcob!

Which covenant, the old covenant that was made obsolete at the cross?
 
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That DNA was never an issue does not line up with the coming of the Messiah. He would be of the lineage of David. DNA sure applied there. And that DNA lineage extended beyond David to include Boaz and Ruth. And it doesn't mean 100% DNA, as Obed (David's grandfather) was 25% Hebrew, but it does require DNA lineage. And it was shown in Matthew, clear back thru Abraham. And Yeshua was declared by Gabriel that His name would be Yeshua because He will save His people and that He would be given the throne of His father David. All before He was circumcised. DNA was everything.

And It can be argued that the sheep and goat judgment of Matthew 25, that the nations are being judged on how they treated Yeshua's brethren, the physical lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That lines up with Joel 3. So again, DNA does mean everything.

Please link to, or provide the number of, a post which claims that "DNA was never an issue".
 
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Greenspan did not get a degree in genetics, he was a business man who started company Family Tree DNA. he partnered with the university of arizona (who did the studies on the cohen gene prior to Greenspan partnering with them) to perform the dna testing for the Family Tree DNA.
Bennett Greenspan - Wikipedia

At what point did I say he was a geneticist? That doesn't discount that his company has worked with interested parties in an attempt to show DNA linkage. Greenspan's company has gone beyond mitochondrial (female) DNA analysis to including Y chromosomal (male) DNA analysis. They were the first to use both methods.

One does not need to be an expert in the field to oversee an operation that is and direct the methodology. Otherwise, most Presidents / Prime Ministers of countries would be judged unqualified.

I think he explains the analysis and also discusses some of the other characters in this drama like Shlomo Sand and how some of these are not quite on the up and up in all this.....


Of course, the DNA thing is a developing science. There is no absolute confirmation of anything. But one thing that has come out of it, there is no supported linkage between Jews and Khazarian ancestors. So the Arthur Koestler book "The Thirteenth Tribe" was based on pure speculation.

The same for Shlomo Sand and many others.

But the biblical record also shows that many from all the northern tribes did migrate and join with the southern tribes. Both before and after the Babylonian Exile.
 
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At what point did I say he was a geneticist?

In post #894 you told me to look up studies "done by Bennet Greenspan". I couldn't find any studies in which Bennet Greenspan was included in the list of authors.

That doesn't discount that his company has worked with interested parties in an attempt to show DNA linkage.

His company used the university of Arizona for DNA testing. The university of Arizona had done the testing on the "cohen" gene prior to Greenspan starting his company.

Greenspan's company has gone beyond mitochondrial (female) DNA analysis to including Y chromosomal (male) DNA analysis. They were the first to use both methods.

They were one of the first companies to do DNA testing for consumers.

One does not need to be an expert in the field to oversee an operation that is and direct the methodology. Otherwise, most Presidents / Prime Ministers of countries would be judged unqualified.

I agree, many CEOs are businessmen and not necessarily trained and educated PHD experts in the field of their companies.

I think he explains the analysis and also discusses some of the other characters in this drama like Shlomo Sand and how some of these are not quite on the up and up in all this.....

None of this addresses the limitations that occurred with the studies, which show that not all cohens are true descendants of the cohen common ancestor, and that there is more than one cohen ancestry.

As we do not have an original sample of Aaron's DNA we have no way of knowing which specific cohen ancestry truly comes from Aaron. Thus genetic testing cannot confirm a high priest who descended from Aaron.

But it doesn't really matter anyways, because modern day Judiasm doesn't rely on genetic testing (which cannot prove 100%) or genealogical records (which do not exist). They have "presumption of the high priest" based on extra biblical rabbinic writings.

So as to your original assertion that modern day cohens have proof of their legitimacy to be priests, that is simply not true.
 
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Nowhere does the Bible say the Church will be removed from the earth.

Where is the pavilion or tabernacle of the Lord? Where is the rooms / chambers that Yeshua said He was preparing for us? Who is the dead and living righteous that are being hidden before the Lord comes out of His place to judge those who dwell on the earth? Isaiah in chapter 26 writes they (dead and living) are being hidden in rooms / chambers when the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth. So by extension, those being hidden are no longer inhabitants of the earth at that point. Not some idea that they are hidden / protected somewhere on the earth. It doesn't say the Lord comes out of His place to punish only the evil ones on the earth. It says He comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth. If one is on the earth, they are by default an inhabitant.

If the righteous (dead and living per Isaiah and Paul) are only hidden somewhere on the earth, then who is the nations that are being judged on how they treated the Hebrew people and are separated into sheep and goats, with the sheep going into the kingdom and the goats being cast off? If the righteous were already being hidden and protected on earth, it makes this event meaningless as they had already been separated before things started. Yet, Joel 3 shows this event as does Matthew 25. There has to be a group that goes into the Millennial kingdom to repopulate the earth. Where do you think they come from? And given that there will be sin and death in the millennial kingdom and Yeshua is having to rule with a rod of iron which implies some folks are getting out of line, these folks have to be mortal.

No where in the Bible is a particular verse that specifically mention the Trinity. No where in the Bible is the word "Bible" mentioned. Just because a concept is not mentioned specifically does not make it invalid. Maybe not readily understood, but still valid. No worries.... we will be more than happy to have those do trust in Yeshua who disagree join us who do on the way up. There will be room for all of us. No one who actually trusts in the Lord will be kicked out of the boat.
 
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Is it through Isaac or Ishmael that the world would be blessed? Is it through Jacob or Esau that the world would be blessed?

The world would be blessed by Christ- THE seed of Abraham. But in order to be considered a Jew one has to be descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
 
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So ezra was wrong to require genealogical records for those who claimed to be of the tribe of Levi? He was just "worrying about the gnats of this"?

Yes you are straining at gnats! The time of Ezra is irrelevant to the end times temple.

Under the old covenant God provided a way to sort out the levites and Cohen if no genealogical records were available: Urim and Thummin.

However, the old covenant was made obsolete at the cross, and the law was changed upon Christ's ascension into heaven, as He, from the tribe of Judah and not of levi, became our new high priest.


Hebrews 8:13 By speaking of a new covenant,c He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Hebrews 7:11-12 Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on this basis the people received the law), why was there still need for another priest to appear—one in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed as well.

Well as I said that the re institution of the temple does not mean that God approves of the animal sacrificial system, that is irrelevant. God is just reporting the future as to what will happen, not whether He approves of it! Israel thinks os, but that is because as a nation they still have the veil over their eyes when the Torah is read! But when the veil is removed- the nation will be saved!

Which covenant, the old covenant that was made obsolete at the cross?

No. The Mosaic Covenant was a conditional covenant God made with Israel and rendered inoperative at the Cross. However the Abrahamic, Davidic, Palestinian and New covenants are unconditional Covenants that are still in effect and God will fulfill what He said He would!
 
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In post #894 you told me to look up studies "done by Bennet Greenspan". I couldn't find any studies in which Bennet Greenspan was included in the list of authors.

By extension that would be the company he owns and operates. Oh boy.
 
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Well as I said that the re institution of the temple does not mean that God approves of the animal sacrificial system, that is irrelevant. God is just reporting the future as to what will happen, not whether He approves of it!

While I would agree that what goes on with this proposed temple regarding sacrifices, it cannot be discounted that sacrifices will be instituted again during the millennial temple that He will approve of.
 
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By extension that would be the company he owns and operates. Oh boy.

Incorrect, Greenspan does not own the university of Arizona that conducted research on the Cohen gene years prior to Greenspan starting his company
 
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I will disagree respectfully on the basis that passages are many times read incorrectly. The "spiritual Jew" concept is what closes out Romans 2...where Paul makes the argument that Jews and Gentiles are both under sin, and that God is not impartial to either! He closes it out at Romans 2:28-29 where this is said:
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.
29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God
.

The point here is that of being a "spiritual Jew" when one is converted because the circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit (salvation), is the New Covenant which Christ introduced prior to becoming the Passover Lamb.

It has always been the circumcision of the heart that makes the difference as said way back in Deuteronomy 10:16. The physical circumcision has always been an outward sign of an inward work...which is the circumcision of the heart!

Which is why God will save the entire nation of Israel and they will have their hearts circumcised!

Romans 11 King James Version (KJV)
11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

IN teh last three days- Israel will turn to Christ as Messiah, call upon Him and then Jesus will return as He said in Matthew:


Matthew 23:38-39 King James Version (KJV)
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

*The Abrahamic and Davidic covenants point to Christ. Isaac, the child of promise to Abraham, brings forth Christ...Romans 9:8, also again...Galatians 3, where Paul painstakingly makes the point! Many times in the Gospel Christ is called "Son of David" by those who understood the Davidic Covenant is Christ. Paul took Romans 4, for the particular purpose of helping saint's to understand the "descendants of Abraham" are those who have the faith of Abraham...NOT those who think being physical descendant's matters at all. One can be physical descendant of Abraham...and because they don't have the "faith of Abraham"...they are lost! The faith of Abraham works inwardly for the Jew, as well as the Gentile...as Paul says...there is no diference!

And to the Kingdom promised to Israel and to the Land!


*Do you also miss the fact that when Christ appears, He is God's Servant Israel...which is Isaiah 49? Jesus is what now makes all in Christ "A CHOSEN GENERATION" under the New Covenant. He is the "Israel of God" Paul refers to in Galatians 6:
13 For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh.
14 But may it never be that I would boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
16 And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God
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Do you really think that Paul was so ignorant He would need to wish PEACE and MERCY upon JESUS???? Jesus needs no peace- He is peace. And He definitely doesn't need mercy! But the Israel of God (the faithful remnant in every generation) does need peace and mercy!

Lastly, Paul again makes the point at Philippians 3:2-4:
2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision;
3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh...


When you understand in this passage "circumcision", a word Paul commonly uses as a slang for Jews...you can get the thrust of it. The "false circumcision" Jews who hold to the Old Covenant, while denying Christ!

I hold to being a "spiritual Jew" but...I don't make it a big deal to those who don't or won't acknowledge that. I just again hold to Paul's prominent statement in Ephesians 2:11-22. It's pretty clear.

I agree, and I am not talking about the Jews who still held to the Mosaic covenant! When Paul says WE are the true circumscion- He is contrasting saved Jews from unsaved Jews! Plus he also was referring to literal circumcision- for that was a requirement for a gentile to become a proselyte
 
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The world would be blessed by Christ- THE seed of Abraham. But in order to be considered a Jew one has to be descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

I would take that a step further......

Romans 10:17 (NKJV) So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The Hebrew people did in fact bless the world and continues to do so. Irregardless of their screw ups in history, they were extremely diligent in giving us the scriptures. Every book in the that Bible was written by a Hebrew. Some say Luke wasn't, but there is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that he was indeed Hebrew. Being a physician and master historian does not mean he was gentile. So, not only the Messiah, but just giving us the scripture to learn of the Messiah was the way that the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has blessed all the people of the earth.

Was Luke a Gentile?
 
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I would take that a step further......

Romans 10:17 (NKJV) So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The Hebrew people did in fact bless the world and continues to do so. Irregardless of their screw ups in history, they were extremely diligent in giving us the scriptures. Every book in the that Bible was written by a Hebrew. Some say Luke wasn't, but there is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that he was indeed Hebrew. Being a physician and master historian does not mean he was gentile.

Was Luke a Gentile?

So true I forgot that God is still using Israel to bless the world!
 
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While I would agree that what goes on with this proposed temple regarding sacrifices, it cannot be discounted that sacrifices will be instituted again during the millennial temple that He will approve of.


I forget the nature of the sacrifices. there will be no lamb and bullock and sin offerings, but I do nto remember the rest. It has been a while since I studied up on those.
 
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