Is Trump the first horseman of the apocalypse?

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I'd like to offer you a resource that may help you come to a conclusion. Try this book by Steve Gregg:
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This book will present to you the four primary views of Revelation and the methods of interpretation for you.

Read it, but be advised that you will probably get at least three wrong views!
 
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I give up I don't want to even understand Revelations at this point... probably for the best

Well instead of seeing as literal, start looking at Revelations for what Revelations was symbolic. St. John was writing to prosecuted Christians in the Roman empire and he cold not just come out and say point blank what was going to happen to Rome so he used codes and symbols that those Christians understood but unfortunately for us the key to unlock Revelations that those very early Christians knew has been lost to time. We are left with just a bunch of codes and symbols that modern man does not understand so they try to make it literal when it is not.
 
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Yes, I do believe each are symbolic. If you notice each horseman is seen by John followed by what they represent. Therefore I think it's safe to conclude John actually saw each horse followed by the explanation of the event the horse represents. I think what's important about each horse is the color, followed by the explanation of what event comes about after the horse is seen by John.


The problem is not realizing the color of each horse. The horses themselves are symbolic of power. When it comes to the white horse nothing is said of the rider except that he had a bow, a crown, and went forth conquering and to conquer.
Yes...this is Christ after conquering sin and death. Hebrews 1 is a lynchpin!


You should relate Zechariah 6 as well as Zechariah 1. I think each passage is clear these horses represent something...that is why explanation follows after they are seen, so we understand each horse is an event that represents what God is doing. Each horse is symbolic of the event , which is accomplished by God's angels/prophets/servants.


The point is that we know we are called the body of Christ as believers. Obviously we are not literally Christ, therefore this is symbolism of Christ indwelling us by the Holy Spirit. In a vision are things seen. Revelation is loaded with things seen, that are further explained to show what that which is seen, means...therefore it is symbolism. In Revelation 1:1 it says Jesus "sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw." The word "communicated" is the Greek word sēmainō, which means to give a sign. The KJV says "and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John"...this means the method by which Revelation is written is in signs and symbols, which I believe is the method by which one can understand Revelation. All throughout Revelation John looks, sees something, which is followed by explanation which tells what that which he saw means.






I think my answers above answer this portion. Revelation cannot be understood without the OT prophets. Much of it is rooted in their prophecy


Thank you. We're all continually learning when it comes to God's word!
Thanks for your reasoned response. I disagree, but that is the nature of a forum like this.
 
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We are left with just a bunch of codes and symbols that modern man does not understand so they try to make it literal when it is not.

Fair enough. I'm starting to think of the 4 horsemen not necessarily as individuals but as forces. The first horseman is a conqueror who conquers without using arrows? Conquering through peace. I believe this first seal unleashes the Saints who want TRUTH in this corrupted lying world. I think we are seeing that now. So many corrupt people are being apprehended and their power is being broken and it's being done non-violently (example: legally). I'm not sure WHITE is ever associated with anyone or anything evil. I believe Christians and Christianity is seeing a resurgence in response to all of the deception and evil in the world that has been staring us in the face for years now. We are now going into a period where we will be able to challenge and confront all of this deception and evil to its face.

What do you all think of that?
 
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I think my answers above answer this portion. Revelation cannot be understood without the OT prophets. Much of it is rooted in their prophecy

Very good point. I should read more OT for sure.
 
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Just read an article that made a very convincing case that the first Rider is actually Jesus Christ.

Sigh--

I give up I don't want to even understand Revelations at this point... probably for the best
I remember coming of age in the seventies or so, when television evangelists prophesying Armageddon were all the rage. They made a highly emotional case for the Bible prophesying the ten headed beast(ten nations in the EC) back then, and stuff like that and passage after passage of Revelation seemed to back up their case.
I was probably not the only nominal Christian back in those days whose first Bible book to tackle was Revelation just to see what else it said
I remember sitting back in the car on a country road going through it, and coming to the realization that I didn't have a clue of what I was reading. The only thing I was sure of after that was, that whatever Revelation might be telling us, it had nothing to do with what was being broadcast by the modern day prophets on TV at the time.
Anyway, that is what made me laugh when I read your post here.
 
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I was probably not the only nominal Christian back in those days whose first Bible book to tackle was Revelation

Ha! I was the same way when I was younger. The wonder and awe of Revelation drew me in. BUT now I realize I didn't understand any of it and my 15-year-old mind was just tripping out on weed. X_X
 
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Hard to believe any believer on Christ Jesus would be against a U.S. President like Trump who supports the U.S. and its people as a Christian nation and the U.S. Constitution.

The last one instead supported more anti-Christian principles, nations and peoples than the people in the U.S. he was president over, and was definitely more an an antichrist than Trump would ever be.
 
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Fair enough. I'm starting to think of the 4 horsemen not necessarily as individuals but as forces. The first horseman is a conqueror who conquers without using arrows? Conquering through peace. I believe this first seal unleashes the Saints who want TRUTH in this corrupted lying world. I think we are seeing that now. So many corrupt people are being apprehended and their power is being broken and it's being done non-violently (example: legally). I'm not sure WHITE is ever associated with anyone or anything evil. I believe Christians and Christianity is seeing a resurgence in response to all of the deception and evil in the world that has been staring us in the face for years now. We are now going into a period where we will be able to challenge and confront all of this deception and evil to its face.

What do you all think of that?

I think your idea sounds nice but for me I look at Revelations that it is not written to us but written to the first century Christians in code and I do not see any of Revelations as future. I ultimately see Revelations as a book of hope letting the early Christians know that Christ wins in the end
 
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That is a position that I have only recently heard about. It eases my anxiety :)

It was after long study and pray that I came to that position, at one time I was very heavily into dispensationalism left behind and all that stuff.
 
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It says he went forth to conquer and that seems to be all Trump has been doing... conquering #winning. He said he was going to do so much winning that we'd be tired of winning... White horse because he's white and controls USA which is predominantly Caucasian. It says he goes forth with a bow. If we read in Ephesians ch.6 about the armor of God it implores us to take up a shield of Faith to defend against the fiery darts of the devil. Darts and arrows (I believe) represent attacks from long range. The fiery darts of the evil one would be to cast doubt upon us in attempt to trick us and to attack our faith in other ways indirectly. Likewise, arrows from a bow can be likened to fiery darts in that they are projectiles. Trump tweets projectile arrows everyday that further encourage his conquering and sting his opposition.

Does anyone find this plausible? Or am I once again overreacting?
 
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It says he went forth to conquer and that seems to be all Trump has been doing... conquering #winning. He said he was going to do so much winning that we'd be tired of winning... White horse because he's white and controls USA which is predominantly Caucasian. It says he goes forth with a bow. If we read in Ephesians ch.6 about the armor of God it implores us to take up a shield of Faith to defend against the fiery darts of the devil. Darts and arrows (I believe) represent attacks from long range. The fiery darts of the evil one would be to cast doubt upon us in attempt to trick us and to attack our faith in other ways indirectly. Likewise, arrows from a bow can be likened to fiery darts in that they are projectiles. Trump tweets projectile arrows everyday that further encourage his conquering and sting his opposition.

Does anyone find this plausible? Or am I once again overreacting?

This is utter nonsense.
 
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Maybe this is on to something after all. Just this morning, some Democratic politician called him Napoleonic.
The sounds of hoofbeats rise even as we speak.

Of course not. Don't interpret the book of Revelation with what you hear in the media. The horsemen of Revelation 6 has nothing to do with Washington! Nor Europe. Nor Israel.
 
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It says he went forth to conquer and that seems to be all Trump has been doing... conquering #winning. He said he was going to do so much winning that we'd be tired of winning... White horse because he's white and controls USA which is predominantly Caucasian. It says he goes forth with a bow. If we read in Ephesians ch.6 about the armor of God it implores us to take up a shield of Faith to defend against the fiery darts of the devil. Darts and arrows (I believe) represent attacks from long range. The fiery darts of the evil one would be to cast doubt upon us in attempt to trick us and to attack our faith in other ways indirectly. Likewise, arrows from a bow can be likened to fiery darts in that they are projectiles. Trump tweets projectile arrows everyday that further encourage his conquering and sting his opposition.

Does anyone find this plausible? Or am I once again overreacting?

Trump is indeed the rider on the white horse.
 
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Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow(toxon); and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.



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from the base of tiktw - tikto 5088; a bow (apparently as the simplest fabric):--bow.

Unless the Strong's I'm using is incorrect, bow in this verse doesn't appear to be meaning what you are taking it to mean.

Sometimes we need to dig a little deeper than just the Concordance definition.

Sorry, but this is the only way I was able to copy this part of the Greek - English Interlinear rendition of the Rev. 6:2 verse for the word BOW.
(and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown)

With more information on the issue, now you are able to make a more informed decision, whether his meaning is correct or not.

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