LDS Mormon Jesus Versus Christian Jesus

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Yah---and you guys have nothing like that ---esp with Moroni products---angel worship?

There is a lot more!

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Not that I want to turn this into the "Mormon Merchandising" thread (although I think that might be worth it if it could get ironhold to rethink his way of approaching Christian-Mormon relations), but I think this t-shirt is particularly fitting, given the point of the OP:

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In case it's not readable at the bottom there, it says "Our Jesus is better than your Jesus"

I don't particularly want to give them $28 for it, but if they ever have a clearance...
 
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It sounds like you have a problem with religion in commerce. I don't know anyone who doesn't, so again, I don't know what you're meaning to prove by any of these examples. To imply that this says something about the Christian veneration of the cross or its use as a Christian symbol (if this is what you mean to imply) really makes no sense.

If a person goes up to a vending machine, drops their $0.50 in, gets a cross or Virgin icon, and starts wearing it around, does that automatically make them a Christian?

No, I'm not exaggerating. These things show up at least once a year where I live. I've gotten a couple as evidence of this.

Oh, and hey, wasn't there that time when the early Mormons were told, after Joseph Smith asked the Lord about it, that they should try to sell the copyright to the Book of Mormon in Canada? What was that all about?

IP law's a darn fickle beast, and an amateur at the subject like JS was didn't stand much of a chance at working with it. It got bungled badly, and caused some issues.

Yeah, I've heard that, too. Maybe on here. Maybe from you. I honestly don't remember. That's a fine Christian symbol. You can find it in some of the rock-hewn scenes at the monastic complex of St. Simon the Tanner in Egypt (below).

Thing is, even though you yourself admit that it's a legitimate symbol, we're still being told "But where's your cross?" and that's the end of it. It's that one symbol people are so fixated on that some days we're left wondering if that's all people are looking at / for.
 
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If a person goes up to a vending machine, drops their $0.50 in, gets a cross or Virgin icon, and starts wearing it around, does that automatically make them a Christian?

Hasn't this already been answered a million times by every type of Christian on this website who frequents this subforum? The answer is no, and I think you already know that it's no. Please come up with a new argument. This one is old and done. Time to put it out to pasture.

No, I'm not exaggerating. These things show up at least once a year where I live. I've gotten a couple as evidence of this.

I never claimed you were exaggerating, though the number of times you have brought up the "cross out of a vending machine" scenario makes me wonder if this isn't in some sense a pre-rehearsed/pre-programmed pseudo-answer. The fact that others may blaspheme against Christ our Lord in this or that way for money is really not any kind of indicator of the faith of the people who engage in religion-based commerce overall. If I buy a book from a Coptic-owned bookstore, am I being a bad Christian? Should I not have gladly received the rosary that my godmother once gave me that she had blessed by Pope John Paul II because clearly she must've bought it somewhere first? (I don't think Roman Popes just carry around thousands of extra rosaries on their persons to give out for free.)

The way you're framing things makes it seem like the cheapness of the item itself indicates a kind of insincere faith, but there's no way you can possibly know that, and that's also the most judgmental thing I've seen on here in a long time. What about the widow with her two mites in Luke 21? She was the greatest example of faith among all who gave, yet she gave little. What if a sincere Christian has only 50 cents and decides to spend it on a cheap plastic cross? I suppose you could make the argument, if you wanted to, that she should've given it to the nearest poor person instead, but in terms of commercial transactions (not charity), what exactly is wrong with owning a cheap cross if you wear it proudly, with faith in our Lord's resurrection and His returning in His glory to judge the living and the dead? That's what it means. That's why it matters. With respect, when you make it about this other stuff all it shows me is that you don't understand why any of this is important to Christians -- i.e., as I wrote earlier (and as Mormons such as yourself show whenever this topic comes up), Mormonism has no theology of the cross.

IP law's a darn fickle beast, and an amateur at the subject like JS was didn't stand much of a chance at working with it. It got bungled badly, and caused some issues.

Nice sidestepping of the hypocrisy shown by pointing out everyone else's commercial ventures as though that invalidates their religion (even though there's nothing that says the people who make or even the people who buy the items are professed Christians, so the entire premise is wrong and dumb), while the leader of your own religion was told in a failed 'revelation' to sell what your religion considers God-inspired scripture for money. Do you want to address the ethics of that, or keep wallowing in hypocrisy?

Thing is, even though you yourself admit that it's a legitimate symbol, we're still being told "But where's your cross?" and that's the end of it. It's that one symbol people are so fixated on that some days we're left wondering if that's all people are looking at / for.

Yeah, gee...It's almost like it's the one symbol that summarizes the entire point of our religion or something. How weird that people would be so 'fixated' on that. :doh:

All the while the builders of your religion keep building the Moroni statues to sit atop the most special of special buildings. Good. Keep doing that. They show who you serve and what you believe in, and it's not Christ or Christianity.
 
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2 born-again Christian groups have scolded me for not worshiping the cross.

Which 2 groups; I'd like to confirm that. You may have misunderstood them or simply added the word worshiping to fit your agenda.
 
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Not that I want to turn this into the "Mormon Merchandising" thread (although I think that might be worth it if it could get ironhold to rethink his way of approaching Christian-Mormon relations), but I think this t-shirt is particularly fitting, given the point of the OP:

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In case it's not readable at the bottom there, it says "Our Jesus is better than your Jesus"

I don't particularly want to give them $28 for it, but if they ever have a clearance...
For any religion or owner of a gift store that puts "Our Jesus is better than your Jesus" on any of their gifts, should be lashed 10 times for stupidity.
 
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Which 2 groups; I's like to confirm that. You may have misunderstood them or simply added the word worshiping to fit your agenda.
One was a born-again Baptist group out of Texas, and the other was an evangelical OSAS group from Missouri. Cannot give you any more info than that.
 
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One was a born-again Baptist group out of Texas, and the other was an evangelical OSAS group from Missouri. Cannot give you any more info than that.

Why can't you tell me the names of those denominations? I don't believe there is a Baptist denomination or an evangelical church that worships the cross!
 
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Well, please give us a link or identify the denomination.

As someone from Texas?

Churches claiming Baptist affiliation are all over the place; as an example, I live in a town of 35K people and we've got at least 5 in and around the immediate area alongside the congregations belonging to other denominations.

I say "at least" as I've lost track due to all of the new congregations springing up.

With as many churches as there are floating around here, it's not hard to find individual congregations that engage in egregious activities or behave in ways that a person would swear no mainline Christian would ever behave and it's quite easy to miss the name or forget it with all of the different churches out there.
 
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Why can't you tell me the names of those denominations? I don't believe there is a Baptist denomination or an evangelical church that worships the cross!

I'm waiting for Peter1000 to reveal the denominations that he claims worship the cross.
 
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