When does one lose salvation?
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You do realize God does not like us teaching falsehoods about his word. And making things up on the spot just so you can have a counter point to defend your other made up comments are doing just that. If I were you, I'd take what you're doing much more seriously than you are, or show us where some of these outlandish comments are biblical.
If they aren't biblical, they are not the truth.
No, one can be reversed.
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Again, you want me to answer when you do not. Show me where the the two posts I asked about are biblical? Post 246 and 247...see the question marks?
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Well then you shouldn’t accuse me of making false claims if your not willing to do a simply google search to back up your claim. There are tons of websites out there that provide Greek to English translations and definitions. Personally can’t help but to think that you’ve most likely already checked the Greek words and have seen the very same definitions I provided and that your simply in denial of the truth. I know if I were going to accuse someone of making false claims I surely would’ve sought out evidence to support my claim in an effort to prove the person wrong. But that’s the problem with those who don’t truly understand the scriptures, they aren’t willing to take the time to do some study on it to learn the truth. They’re just content on staying in their comfortable little world of ignorance because it doesn’t require any kind of effort to seek out the evidence that will lead them to a more comprehensive understanding of God’s word. Even when the evidence is presented before their very eyes.
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Or you could just do a little study to determine what the truth really is. I mean I presented the issue of the Greek translations right before your very eyes and you simply dismissed it without any research at all. A simple google search of “Greek word for believe” would pull up dozens of sites all of which having the very same definition I provided. But then again that might take 5 minutes or so to do that and I’m sure your not interested in wasting 5 minutes of your precious time to look for evidence. It’s much easier to just say “Nuh Uh” and go about your day.
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I don't disagree.
You will freely NOT choose to follow Christ unless God gives you the ability to receive Christ.
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Until He gives you the ability, not if He gives you the ability. Jesus has been raised up and will draw all men to Himself.
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After death, when Christ judges each of us (after he has revealed his glory and shared the gospel). Those who reject him reject both him and his glory and so do not partake of either.
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Those who habitually commit willful mortal sins are training their souls to reject Christ when they actually meet him after death.
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Revelation 21:27 states that nothing unclean will enter into heaven. A life of sin is unclean. Good behavior seems to be a work because Jesus said it was necessary. Mathew 5:3-9
Which work is not related to faith?
The N.T. teaches that it's exactly because of our faith that we do good works.
Ephesians is for initial salvation.
What do we do after salvation?
Nothing?
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I don't know.
What do YOU think will happen?
Whatever you think...
John 15 is speaking about a person being detached from Him if they don't bear fruit.
If you're detached from Jesus, you're detached from the life-line of eternal life.
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How long have you been on these forums?
Many times I've read that we could live as we want and still be saved. This is said more times than I care to remember.
Believing in OSAS is not only unbiblical,,,it's a dangerous belief because it might give someone a false sense of security.
Could you post some verses that show me that I could live in sin, fall from the faith, etc.
AND STILL be saved...
You won't find any. What you will find is Paul begging us to be good Christians.
Hebrews 12:1-3 tells us to lay aside every incumbrance and sin that entangles us and to run with endurance the race set before us.
1 Corinthians 9:24 tells us to run the race so that we may obtain the imperishable prize, our salvation.
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I don't know.
What do YOU think will happen?
Whatever you think...
John 15 is speaking about a person being detached from Him if they don't bear fruit.
If you're detached from Jesus, you're detached from the life-line of eternal life.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit,.... There are two sorts of branches in Christ the vine; the one sort are such who have only an historical faith in him, believe but for a time, and are removed; they are such who only profess to believe in him, as Simon Magus did; are in him by profession only; they submit to outward ordinances, become church members, and so are reckoned to be in Christ, being in a church state, as the churches of Judea and Thessalonica, and others, are said, in general, to he in Christ; though it is not to be thought that every individual person in these churches were truly and savingly in him. These branches are unfruitful ones; what fruit they seemed to have, withers away, and proves not to be genuine fruit; what fruit they bring forth is to themselves, and not to the glory of God, being none of the fruits of his Spirit and grace: and such branches the husbandman taketh away; removes them from that sort of being which they had in Christ. Ref Gills.
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This is actually pretty serious so all joking aside, and since you now know it's not biblical, hopefully I can show you why you actually believe that is true when it is not. And it's not just this, people are lied to like this all the time, and tricked into actually believing something that is not true, because they want to believe it ...
I can just see someone like Jesse Duplantis getting up there and saying something like "Can you go back into the womb of yo mamma? of course you cant, that's ridiculous. They'd say you were crazy if you thought that, because everyone knows it's impossible, and it makes no sense. Same with being born again, it can't be undone, and it's crazy to think it it can".
Do you see how that comment was set up, and has a couple of things going for it, in order for it to be a better deception? It's "crazy", "makes no sense" "impossible" and I can see him doing a lot of goofy gestures while explaining in attempt to essentially, and unobviousely make fun of anyone who doesn't believe that. So not only are the words flat out lies because one being impossible has nothing to do with the other being impossible, the congregation doesn't want to be thought of as ridiculous, crazy, or whatever, and they buy it, thinking it's absolutely/physically true, or because one is true, the other "has to" be true. So there you have it, the anatomy of a lie, and how some of these preachers get you.
Why "get you" because some people will basically pay them to keep telling them they can do as they like and still go to heaven, an obviously appealing concept.
Beware.
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Why do you still feel the need to misrepresent it?
There are two possible answers.
1 john 2:9 “They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.”
If that person is truly saved the answer is yes. Some people have what is called a “crisis of faith.” Thay may backslide or in other words "fall away".
I suppose it could,but at least they have security where you don't. The main problem i have with your sect is you scare people. Tell them to tow the line unless they risk being lost. so, your sect then tries to be "biblical" for the sole reason to save your butts from hell. SELFISH REASONS...rather than for the glory of God. You take the free gift and turn it into a works based religion.
Gal 6:1 Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.
Phil 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
....So, God will save you then not bring you to completion?
John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day...........perhaps some will be snatched from Jesus hands when he's not looking.
You present God as a deal or seal breaker.
Eph 1:13 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.”
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