The false theologies of the hebrew language only movement.

Alithis · Jun 7, 2019

There is this growing trend of teaching for some years now which has sprung out of the " Hebrew roots" type movment.
The belief that to fully understand scripture you need a deeper understanding of Hebrew language and culture.
Which is really null and void since the New testiment is originally in Greek and true understanding of the word inspired by the Holy Spirit comes by the same Holy Spirit who leads into all Truth.
From that erronious theology of hebrew roots another more insidious doctrine has risen .
it teaches Hebrew language only can be used in reference to God for it to be valid.
Even going as far as to teach ..based upon NO scripture what so ever.. That the name of Jesus has MORE power if you pronounce it correctly in Hebrew .
it also teaches that any other lingual translation is false. And not valid.
( and ,not surprisingly ,it also demands days and festivals of law be observed..)
In short it is just another attack to bar the way to life by confusing the use of the name of JESUS and dragging oeople back under the Law by which they can be condemned.

It is SO FLAWED as a theology yet is gaining vast numbers of followers . you can tell them by thier increasing use of yeshua or yehashua when they are conversing in General with English not hebrew audiences.
I.e if a hebrew speaking israeli is using Yeshua ..that is not a sign they are into or influenced by that false theological movment... That is thier native tongue..
But if an every day middle class Australian (for eg only) who has no isreali heritage starts using the name of Jesus in hebrew form only... Whether they realise it or not they have been influence By this false theology.

Its being used to confuse... Where once people plainly prayed..now they are confused so the sprinkle thier prayer wiyh a few "Yeshuas" in hrbrews along with Jesus in English or jesu in chinese.. Just in case. Displaying the confusion and anxieties the false theology has caused them..

My friends who love the lord JESUS...
Be FREE to use his name within the realms of your own language for it is GOD not man and not the devil who caused the languages to br multiplied on the earth .
They All came from God.
And there is Zero ... ZERO!.. Scripture to base such confusing and false theology and doctrine on.

Alithis · Jun 7, 2019

They even debate in thier own circles as to the correct hebrew form of the name, being undecided themselves in the confusion

crossnote · Jun 7, 2019

Our sufficiency is in Christ Jesus with His abiding Spirit (the Author of His Word) and His Written Word.
I find these people have a legalistic bent, exalting Moses over Paul and the Tanakh over the Gospel.Requiring observances of certain days and feasts and forbidding certain foods.

Alithis · Jun 7, 2019

crossnote said:
Our sufficiency is in Christ Jesus with His abiding Spirit (the Author of His Word) and His Written Word.
I find these people have a legalistic bent, exalting Moses over Paul and the Tanakh over the Gospel.Requiring observances of certain days and feasts and forbidding certain foods.

You have encountered them also?
Iv encountered people we know who got influenced by it and the change in thier demeanor was notably negative...

crossnote · Jun 7, 2019

Alithis said:
You have encountered them also?
Iv encountered people we know who got influenced by it and the change in thier demeanor was notably negative...

I had been in a few Messianic 'Shuls' which for the most part were half decent Gentiles trying to be Jews lol, but there are always the extremes which the HRM is. We had a Messianic Congregation not far from here that slowly started denying the Trinity with the next step was to deny Yeshua as the Messiah. Go figure.

Alithis · Jun 7, 2019

crossnote said:
I had been in a few Messianic 'Shuls' which for the most part were half decent Gentiles trying to be Jews lol, but there are always the extremes which the HRM is. We had a Messianic Congregation not far from here that slowly started denying the Trinity with the next step was to deny Yeshua as the Messiah. Go figure.

That IS the agenda behind it for sure

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jun 8, 2019

1. The one name given to man by which they can be saved was not a Greek or an English name, it was a Hebrew name. That name was and is YAHSHUA. There is no other name given by which man can be saved, the Lord does not fail to stress how important having the right name is. Knowing how important the name is doesn't it make sense that Satan would first seek to remove the only name that God has given to man by which they can be saved? Satan's goal is suppression and distortion of the truth some of the first things we see him doing are: giving man a false name and suppressing the true one, teaching a false nature of God dividing him into three(trinity) thus distorting his nature from just one God(one God who manifests himself in three forms all at once a Trimanisfestaion simultaneously), and changing the Holy day of the Lord given for rest from the seventh day(Saturday) to Sunday. These are just a few of the Main ones.

Here is a short study on the importance of the Correct name.
We are saved by Faith alone(Ephesians 2:8-9) but we are justified by faith and works(James 2:14-26). So if we have faith we will keep the commandments of the Lord(Revelation 14:12-13; John 14:15-21). One of Those commandments, and one of those works that must be done, is that we must be born again(John 3:1-8; 1 Peter 1:23; Colossians 3:10; 2 Corinthians 5:15-17; Titus 3:5; John 1:11-13). Baptism is the means by which we are born again(Romans 6:3-11; John 3:2-7; Galatians 2:19-20; Colossians 2:10-15,19-23) born in the spirit(John 3:6; Galatians 4:29). In order for the Baptism to work you have to have a name(Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 2:38; Acts 19:5). Not just any name but a name so special, powerful, and unique that it was the only name of its kind given under heaven(Acts 4:10-12; Matt 28:18-20; Acts 10:48). A name given to us by God Himself, given to us in God's own name(John 5:43)(Yah). The bible speaks in great detail on this matter, and does not fail in stressing the magnitude and importance of the only name heaven has given us to be saved.

The name (Jesus) is barely 400 years old.

Acts 4:12 (None other name given by which man can be saved).
"YAHoshua"
"YAHshua"(Hebrew)

(IESVS) KJV printed in 1611 Later revision became(Jesus)

The name Jesus=Je-Zus According to the International Bible encyclopedia, Hey-Zeus is a Roman/Greek God.
Jesus is not even close to the birth name it is from the greek/Latin name.
Marduk, Zeus or Jesus Latin/Greek name.

John 5:43"I come in my fathers name"
Act's 26:14 Paul heard a voice in Hebrew.
John 17:12
Acts 4:12 " A name by which we must be saved"

"YAHshua" Yahshua
John 3:18, Philip 2:9-10 God gave him a name above every name.
There is salvation in no other name.
Acts 4:12, Romans 10:13, Acts 2:21, Zech 13:9, Ps 79:2. (Romans 10:9 YAHSHUA)

John 12:28 "Father glorify thy name".
Psalm 68:4 By his name YAH not with a J But with a(Y)
Rev 19:6 Hallelluya=Translated praise our God YAH.

Jesus p. 544-545, All references of the Name Jesus leads to Top(R) p.37) 2424 which is taken from the 3091 Hebrew. Gal 3:28
Yahshua or(Yeh-ho-shoo-ah 3091 [p.48 Hebrew
2424 Greek Jesus= (Yeh-ho-shoo-ah 3091 [p.48 Hebrew)
Matt 1:21

Heb
3068
3476
1954
3442

The name of the Lord(Yahshua=Yah-ho-shoo-ah).

Psalm 135:1
YHWH- Yahweh Hebrew 3068 from base of 3050 Yah

Genesis 15:2-3069 [e]
Yah·weh
יֱהוִה֙
GOD
3050. Yah

Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yah
Phonetic Spelling: (yaw)

Proper name of Deity-the Lord-Yah
Exodus 17:16-3050 [e]
yāh,
יָ֔הּ
of the LORD

YAH is God's name, the false name Jesus does not bear the Lords name in it. But the name given to Christ we are told did in fact bear the Lord's name John 5:43"I come in my fathers name", Christ even says he is I AM(John 8:58; mark 14:62), his name is the Proper name of God(YAH) but given under heaven to man to be saved as YAHSHUA(YAH,YHWH, Yahweh is the proper name for the Father).
It would First have been the ancient Jews who would have tried to force Christians to stop calling who they believed to be only a man God's name(YAH) since they thought it was to holy to be spoken, let alone to call a man who they thought was a false prophet such a holy name(YAH). That is why they called him yeshua and not by his true name YAHSHUA.

2. As to the keeping of the Mosaic Law, scripture is clear in telling us that the Mosaic law was completed and finished in Christ and that we are now only to keep the Law of the Spirit/Law of Faith/Law of Liberty/Law of Christ/NT Law by our faith in Christ. Part of the NT is the Moral law as each of the Moral Laws are restated in the NT and the Moral Law(which was not a part of the Mosaic Law written on Parchment by the Hand of Moses) has always existed as an eternal law, no prophecy being given for its fulfillment nor any command given that we should not keep all ten of them. YAHSHUA the Christ is the One true God. God exists as a Trimanifestation(Father, Son, Holy Spirit) simultaneously, three different forms but all one God that is not divided.

As to the NT dietary laws well the the Apostles and Christ are very clear about what restrictions we have concerning food.

All Foods are Lawful to eat(to those who believe):
1. All meats are clean(Matt 15:11,17; 1 Cor 10:23,30; Colossians 2:16; Romans 14:2,3,5,6,14,17,20; 1 Tim 4:34,5; Mark 7:15,18-19; 1 Cor 6:12, 13)
2. All food is made clean only by thanksgiving and prayer(1 Tim 4:3,4,5; Romans 14:2,3,5,6,14,17,20; 1 Cor 10:30).Ephesians 5:20 give thanks for all things in the Name of the Lord.
3. The kingdom of God is not what we eat(Romans 14:14,17,18,20)
4. All meats are clean so none can judge us in what we eat(Colossians 2:16; Romans 14:3,4,10,13)
5. What we eat is not a sin if we are strong in the faith and believe that any food is okay to eat and not a sin(1 Tim 4:3; Romans 14:5,14,20; 1 Cor 10:23)

When/How a Food Becomes unlawful to eat
1. If we eat and it become evil spoken of, it is a sin(1 Cor 10:30;Romans 14:16)
2. If we eat and it brings our brother to stumble or bring him to offence, it is a sin(1 Corinthians 10:25,27,28,29,32; Romans 14:13,20,21,24)
3. If we do not believe and we eat, then it is a sin(Romans 14:15,19,20,21,23)
4. We are to Abstain from eating meat with blood still in it(Acts 15:19-20,27-29; Acts 21:25

5 . We are to Abstain from eating meat that has been strangled(Acts 15:19-20,27-29; Acts 21:25)

3. Anyone who did not previously know the true name of the Lord would not be accountable for using a wrong name if they truly believed from the heart that form of Doctrine delivered unto them(being saved by their faith according to to the knowledge they had received). It is only after the true name is brought to a person do they become accountable(being judged by the knowledge they have received).

4. I hope this has given you a better understanding of what those(or at least some of those) who use the true name believe and why.

anna ~ grace · Jun 8, 2019

Alithis said:
That IS the agenda behind it for sure

I have found this, too.

More and more emphasis on Torah, Hebrew, and Jewish traditions. Under the supposed guise of "truly honoring Yeshua".

Less and less, if any, emphasis on the Cross, the Crucifixion, the deity of Christ, baptism as a rite or Sacrament, traditional Christian theology or history, the Trinity, God being Triune, the New Testament except as a proof text for Torah observance, Hebraism, etc. Less and less capacity to identify in any way with Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, Orthodox, or non-denom Christians.

I have seen this over and over. It is very sad.

Alithis · Jun 8, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
1. The one name given to man by which they can be saved was not a Greek or an English name, it was a Hebrew name. That name was and is YAHSHUA. There is no other name given by which man can be saved, the Lord does not fail to stress how important having the right name is. Knowing how important the name is doesn't it make sense that Satan would first seek to remove the only name that God has given to man by which they can be saved? Satan's goal is suppression and distortion of the truth some of the first things we see him doing are: giving man a false name and suppressing the true one, teaching a false nature of God dividing him into three(trinity) thus distorting his nature from just one God(one God who manifests himself in three forms all at once a Trimanisfestaion simultaneously), and changing the Holy day of the Lord given for rest from the seventh day(Saturday) to Sunday. These are just a few of the Main ones.

Here is a short study on the importance of the Correct name.
We are saved by Faith alone(Ephesians 2:8-9) but we are justified by faith and works(James 2:14-26). So if we have faith we will keep the commandments of the Lord(Revelation 14:12-13; John 14:15-21). One of Those commandments, and one of those works that must be done, is that we must be born again(John 3:1-8; 1 Peter 1:23; Colossians 3:10; 2 Corinthians 5:15-17; Titus 3:5; John 1:11-13). Baptism is the means by which we are born again(Romans 6:3-11; John 3:2-7; Galatians 2:19-20; Colossians 2:10-15,19-23) born in the spirit(John 3:6; Galatians 4:29). In order for the Baptism to work you have to have a name(Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 2:38; Acts 19:5). Not just any name but a name so special, powerful, and unique that it was the only name of its kind given under heaven(Acts 4:10-12; Matt 28:18-20; Acts 10:48). A name given to us by God Himself, given to us in God's own name(John 5:43)(Yah). The bible speaks in great detail on this matter, and does not fail in stressing the magnitude and importance of the only name heaven has given us to be saved.

The name (Jesus) is barely 400 years old.

Acts 4:12 (None other name given by which man can be saved).
"YAHoshua"
"YAHshua"(Hebrew)

(IESVS) KJV printed in 1611 Later revision became(Jesus)

The name Jesus=Je-Zus According to the International Bible encyclopedia, Hey-Zeus is a Roman/Greek God.
Jesus is not even close to the birth name it is from the greek/Latin name.
Marduk, Zeus or Jesus Latin/Greek name.

John 5:43"I come in my fathers name"
Act's 26:14 Paul heard a voice in Hebrew.
John 17:12
Acts 4:12 " A name by which we must be saved"

"YAHshua" Yahshua
John 3:18, Philip 2:9-10 God gave him a name above every name.
There is salvation in no other name.
Acts 4:12, Romans 10:13, Acts 2:21, Zech 13:9, Ps 79:2. (Romans 10:9 YAHSHUA)

John 12:28 "Father glorify thy name".
Psalm 68:4 By his name YAH not with a J But with a(Y)
Rev 19:6 Hallelluya=Translated praise our God YAH.

Jesus p. 544-545, All references of the Name Jesus leads to Top(R) p.37) 2424 which is taken from the 3091 Hebrew. Gal 3:28
Yahshua or(Yeh-ho-shoo-ah 3091 [p.48 Hebrew
2424 Greek Jesus= (Yeh-ho-shoo-ah 3091 [p.48 Hebrew)
Matt 1:21

Heb
3068
3476
1954
3442

The name of the Lord(Yahshua=Yah-ho-shoo-ah).

Psalm 135:1
YHWH- Yahweh Hebrew 3068 from base of 3050 Yah

Genesis 15:2-3069 [e]
Yah·weh
יֱהוִה֙
GOD
3050. Yah

Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yah
Phonetic Spelling: (yaw)

Proper name of Deity-the Lord-Yah
Exodus 17:16-3050 [e]
yāh,
יָ֔הּ
of the LORD

YAH is God's name, the false name Jesus does not bear the Lords name in it. But the name given to Christ we are told did in fact bear the Lord's name John 5:43"I come in my fathers name", Christ even says he is I AM(John 8:58; mark 14:62), his name is the Proper name of God(YAH) but given under heaven to man to be saved as YAHSHUA(YAH,YHWH, Yahweh is the proper name for the Father).
It would First have been the ancient Jews who would have tried to force Christians to stop calling who they believed to be only a man God's name(YAH) since they thought it was to holy to be spoken, let alone to call a man who they thought was a false prophet such a holy name(YAH). That is why they called him yeshua and not by his true name YAHSHUA.

2. As to the keeping of the Mosaic Law, scripture is clear in telling us that the Mosaic law was completed and finished in Christ and that we are now only to keep the Law of the Spirit/Law of Faith/Law of Liberty/Law of Christ/NT Law by our faith in Christ. Part of the NT is the Moral law as each of the Moral Laws are restated in the NT and the Moral Law(which was not a part of the Mosaic Law written on Parchment by the Hand of Moses) has always existed as an eternal law, no prophecy being given for its fulfillment nor any command given that we should not keep all ten of them. YAHSHUA the Christ is the One true God. God exists as a Trimanifestation(Father, Son, Holy Spirit) simultaneously, three different forms but all one God that is not divided.

As to the NT dietary laws well the the Apostles and Christ are very clear about what restrictions we have concerning food.

All Foods are Lawful to eat(to those who believe):
1. All meats are clean(Matt 15:11,17; 1 Cor 10:23,30; Colossians 2:16; Romans 14:2,3,5,6,14,17,20; 1 Tim 4:34,5; Mark 7:15,18-19; 1 Cor 6:12, 13)
2. All food is made clean only by thanksgiving and prayer(1 Tim 4:3,4,5; Romans 14:2,3,5,6,14,17,20; 1 Cor 10:30).Ephesians 5:20 give thanks for all things in the Name of the Lord.
3. The kingdom of God is not what we eat(Romans 14:14,17,18,20)
4. All meats are clean so none can judge us in what we eat(Colossians 2:16; Romans 14:3,4,10,13)
5. What we eat is not a sin if we are strong in the faith and believe that any food is okay to eat and not a sin(1 Tim 4:3; Romans 14:5,14,20; 1 Cor 10:23)

When/How a Food Becomes unlawful to eat
1. If we eat and it become evil spoken of, it is a sin(1 Cor 10:30;Romans 14:16)
2. If we eat and it brings our brother to stumble or bring him to offence, it is a sin(1 Corinthians 10:25,27,28,29,32; Romans 14:13,20,21,24)
3. If we do not believe and we eat, then it is a sin(Romans 14:15,19,20,21,23)
4. We are to Abstain from eating meat with blood still in it(Acts 15:19-20,27-29; Acts 21:25
5 . We are to Abstain from eating meat that has been strangled(Acts 15:19-20,27-29; Acts 21:25)

3. Anyone who did not previously know the true name of the Lord would not be accountable for using a wrong name if they truly believed from the heart that form of Doctrine delivered unto them(being saved by their faith according to to the knowledge they had received). It is only after the true name is brought to a person do they become accountable(being judged by the knowledge they have received).

4. I hope this has given you a better understanding of what those(or at least some of those) who use the true name believe and why.

Oh look theyve arrived with the reems of text reminicient of 80's cult techniques .

Alithis · Jun 8, 2019

Gracia Singh said:
I have found this, too.

More and more emphasis on Torah, Hebrew, and Jewish traditions. Under the supposed guise of "truly honoring Yeshua".

Less and less, if any, emphasis on the Cross, the Crucifixion, the deity of Christ, baptism as a rite or Sacrament, traditional Christian theology or history, the Trinity, God being Triune, the New Testament except as a proof text for Torah observance, Hebraism, etc. Less and less capacity to identify in any way with Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Lutheran, Orthodox, or non-denom Christians.

I have seen this over and over. It is very sad.

according to Stephen its not yeshua either..
One of the things they cant agree on themselves..

The funny thing is..

Here is a list of words-

p’rkut’yun
shpëtim
Sukui
redding
moksh

5 different languages ( probably with spelling errors)
But all these words mean.... " salvation"
They all mean the same thing.yet look how different the words are in appearance and pronunciation...

The name of JESUS..means Saviour..
No matter what language it is spoken in no matter how it is pronounced..it still means saviour..
So who believes in the salvation of God ...
Who ever calls upon the name of JESUS..

No matter how they pronounce it..it still means saviour ..the saviour sent from God

~Zao~ · Jun 8, 2019

Isho (īšōʕ) is the Aramaic name for Jesus. Since that was His native language at the time it seems odd that no-one is emphasizing Isho. Or that He would be offended or at lest a little put off at not hearing His name in the language it was given. But this is what the heavenliness say He is to be called
call Him Immanuel” (which means, “God with us”).

Der Alte · Jun 8, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
1. The one name given to man by which they can be saved was not a Greek or an English name, it was a Hebrew name. That name was and is YAHSHUA. There is no other name given by which man can be saved, the Lord does not fail to stress how important having the right name is. Knowing how important the name is doesn't it make sense that Satan would first seek to remove the only name that God has given to man by which they can be saved? Satan's goal is suppression and distortion of the truth some of the first things we see him doing are: giving man a false name and suppressing the true one, teaching a false nature of God dividing him into three(trinity) thus distorting his nature from just one God(one God who manifests himself in three forms all at once a Trimanisfestaion simultaneously), and changing the Holy day of the Lord given for rest from the seventh day(Saturday) to Sunday. These are just a few of the Main ones.
Here is a short study on the importance of the Correct name.
We are saved by Faith alone(Ephesians 2:8-9) but we are justified by faith and works(James 2:14-26). So if we have faith we will keep the commandments of the Lord(Revelation 14:12-13; John 14:15-21). One of Those commandments, and one of those works that must be done, is that we must be born again(John 3:1-8; 1 Peter 1:23; Colossians 3:10; 2 Corinthians 5:15-17; Titus 3:5; John 1:11-13). Baptism is the means by which we are born again(Romans 6:3-11; John 3:2-7; Galatians 2:19-20; Colossians 2:10-15,19-23) born in the spirit(John 3:6; Galatians 4:29). In order for the Baptism to work you have to have a name(Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 2:38; Acts 19:5). Not just any name but a name so special, powerful, and unique that it was the only name of its kind given under heaven(Acts 4:10-12; Matt 28:18-20; Acts 10:48). A name given to us by God Himself, given to us in God's own name(John 5:43)(Yah). The bible speaks in great detail on this matter, and does not fail in stressing the magnitude and importance of the only name heaven has given us to be saved.
The name (Jesus) is barely 400 years old.
Acts 4:12 (None other name given by which man can be saved).
"YAHoshua"
"YAHshua"(Hebrew)
(IESVS) KJV printed in 1611 Later revision became(Jesus)
The name Jesus=Je-Zus According to the International Bible encyclopedia, Hey-Zeus is a Roman/Greek God.
Jesus is not even close to the birth name it is from the greek/Latin name.
Marduk, Zeus or Jesus Latin/Greek name.
John 5:43"I come in my fathers name"
Act's 26:14 Paul heard a voice in Hebrew.
John 17:12
Acts 4:12 " A name by which we must be saved"
"YAHshua" Yahshua
John 3:18, Philip 2:9-10 God gave him a name above every name.
There is salvation in no other name.
Acts 4:12, Romans 10:13, Acts 2:21, Zech 13:9, Ps 79:2. (Romans 10:9 YAHSHUA)
John 12:28 "Father glorify thy name".
Psalm 68:4 By his name YAH not with a J But with a(Y)
Rev 19:6 Hallelluya=Translated praise our God YAH.
Jesus p. 544-545, All references of the Name Jesus leads to Top(R) p.37) 2424 which is taken from the 3091 Hebrew. Gal 3:28
Yahshua or(Yeh-ho-shoo-ah 3091 [p.48 Hebrew
2424 Greek Jesus= (Yeh-ho-shoo-ah 3091 [p.48 Hebrew)
Matt 1:21

Heb
3068
3476
1954
3442

The name of the Lord(Yahshua=Yah-ho-shoo-ah).

Psalm 135:1
YHWH- Yahweh Hebrew 3068 from base of 3050 Yah

Genesis 15:2-3069 [e]
Yah·weh
יֱהוִה֙
GOD
3050. Yah

Part of Speech: Proper Name
Transliteration: Yah
Phonetic Spelling: (yaw)

Proper name of Deity-the Lord-Yah
Exodus 17:16-3050 [e]
yāh,
יָ֔הּ
of the LORD

YAH is God's name, the false name Jesus does not bear the Lords name in it. But the name given to Christ we are told did in fact bear the Lord's name John 5:43"I come in my fathers name", Christ even says he is I AM(John 8:58; mark 14:62), his name is the Proper name of God(YAH) but given under heaven to man to be saved as YAHSHUA(YAH,YHWH, Yahweh is the proper name for the Father).
It would First have been the ancient Jews who would have tried to force Christians to stop calling who they believed to be only a man God's name(YAH) since they thought it was to holy to be spoken, let alone to call a man who they thought was a false prophet such a holy name(YAH). That is why they called him yeshua and not by his true name YAHSHUA.

2. As to the keeping of the Mosaic Law, scripture is clear in telling us that the Mosaic law was completed and finished in Christ and that we are now only to keep the Law of the Spirit/Law of Faith/Law of Liberty/Law of Christ/NT Law by our faith in Christ. Part of the NT is the Moral law as each of the Moral Laws are restated in the NT and the Moral Law(which was not a part of the Mosaic Law written on Parchment by the Hand of Moses) has always existed as an eternal law, no prophecy being given for its fulfillment nor any command given that we should not keep all ten of them. YAHSHUA the Christ is the One true God. God exists as a Trimanifestation(Father, Son, Holy Spirit) simultaneously, three different forms but all one God that is not divided.

As to the NT dietary laws well the the Apostles and Christ are very clear about what restrictions we have concerning food.

All Foods are Lawful to eat(to those who believe):
1. All meats are clean(Matt 15:11,17; 1 Cor 10:23,30; Colossians 2:16; Romans 14:2,3,5,6,14,17,20; 1 Tim 4:34,5; Mark 7:15,18-19; 1 Cor 6:12, 13)
2. All food is made clean only by thanksgiving and prayer(1 Tim 4:3,4,5; Romans 14:2,3,5,6,14,17,20; 1 Cor 10:30).Ephesians 5:20 give thanks for all things in the Name of the Lord.
3. The kingdom of God is not what we eat(Romans 14:14,17,18,20)
4. All meats are clean so none can judge us in what we eat(Colossians 2:16; Romans 14:3,4,10,13)
5. What we eat is not a sin if we are strong in the faith and believe that any food is okay to eat and not a sin(1 Tim 4:3; Romans 14:5,14,20; 1 Cor 10:23)

When/How a Food Becomes unlawful to eat
1. If we eat and it become evil spoken of, it is a sin(1 Cor 10:30;Romans 14:16)
2. If we eat and it brings our brother to stumble or bring him to offence, it is a sin(1 Corinthians 10:25,27,28,29,32; Romans 14:13,20,21,24)
3. If we do not believe and we eat, then it is a sin(Romans 14:15,19,20,21,23)
4. We are to Abstain from eating meat with blood still in it(Acts 15:19-20,27-29; Acts 21:25
5 . We are to Abstain from eating meat that has been strangled(Acts 15:19-20,27-29; Acts 21:25)

3. Anyone who did not previously know the true name of the Lord would not be accountable for using a wrong name if they truly believed from the heart that form of Doctrine delivered unto them(being saved by their faith according to to the knowledge they had received). It is only after the true name is brought to a person do they become accountable(being judged by the knowledge they have received).

4. I hope this has given you a better understanding of what those(or at least some of those) who use the true name believe and why.

How can anyone have a better understanding when there is so much false information here? The first forum I joined more than 2 decades ago was a "Hebrew names" forum and taught this same nonsense. I was banned because I dared to disagree with the owner.
Here is a brief quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia about the correct pronunciation .

"The forms Jeho or Yeho (

=

), and Jo or Yo (

, contracted from

), which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (

) in the second part of such names. "
NAMES OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com

This quote from your post is absolute nonsense.

"The name Jesus=Je-Zus According to the International Bible encyclopedia, Hey-Zeus is a Roman/Greek God.
Jesus is not even close to the birth name it is from the greek/Latin name.
Marduk, Zeus or Jesus Latin/Greek name."

There is no such Roman/Greek God named "Hey-Zeus" There was a Greek god named Zeus.
But it was not pronounced Zoos, it would have been pronounced Tzeh-us.
In Greek the oo sound is written "ou" NOT "eu."
For example, the word "gospel" in Greek ευαγγελιον/euanggelion is pronounced evanggelion not ooanggelion.
The OT testament was translated into Greek in 225 BC in the LXX. In the OT there is a name יֵשׁוּעַ/Yeshua. The vowel points for Yeshua were added by the Jews for this pronunciation. Not the false pronunciation Yashua. In the LXX this name is transliterated Ἰησοῦς/Iesous, pronounced Yaysoos.
The name Joshua is also transliterated as Ἰησοῦς/Iesous in the LXX.
Why would devout Jews transliterate the names Jeshua and Joshua as Ἰησοῦς/Iesous if as you claim it should be Yahshua?

Der Alte · Jun 8, 2019

Alithis said:
begin

<AL>according to Stephen its not yeshua either..
One of the things they cant agree on themselves..
The funny thing is..
Here is a list of words-
p’rkut’yun
shpëtim
Sukui
redding
moksh
5 different languages ( probably with spelling errors)
But all these words mean.... " salvation"
They all mean the same thing.yet look how different the words are in appearance and pronunciation...
The name of JESUS..means Saviour..
No matter what language it is spoken in no matter how it is pronounced..it still means saviour..
So who believes in the salvation of God ...
Who ever calls upon the name of JESUS..
No matter how they pronounce it..it still means saviour ..the saviour sent from God<AL>

end

I can just imagine Jesus saying to people, "Depart from me, I never knew you, you didn't pronounce my name correctly."

Alithis · Jun 8, 2019

I laughed at a animation clip that depicted a man drowning and he cries out...
Man : Lord Jesus save me!
Lord: not my name
Man jesu save me!
Lord : not my name
Man: yehashua?
Lord: wrong ...
Man :yeshua
Lord : close but your pronunciation is wrong
Man :......glub glub............
____________

Which pretty much displays the absurdity of the entire movement.

There are many in the charasmatic circle that are into this stuff.
Always i observe that people seeking to be some how More spiritual think that we are called to be more spiritual.. But to be more spiritual simply means to be more Christlike and not confirmed to the works but transformed by the renewing of our minds so that where we once we lived according to the rule of the flesh
Now,We are to live according to the rule of the holy spirit.the law of life in christ JESUS which makes it inevitable that a person doing so will increase in Obedience to God .forsaking the life and cares of This world to Go and tell others about the hope of salvation in JESUS.
I observe over and over.. Where such obedience is not happening
People get drawn into doing All manner of odd and even sinful and fully deceptive things.
Sometimes not sinful in themselves but very deceptive and result in sin of omission .as they look and sound Godly
But in truth we are not told to do them they are not scriptural
And this ranges across all denominations
From burning incense in the corner to a statue of mary.. right through to dancing round in circles waving flags and blowing rams horns on hill tops Or having endless prayer meetings but never Doing what jesus said in every day life..or getting into the distractions of saying his name in Hebrew..

How can So so many be so easily led into distractions and deception...

JESUS said how...
Be Doers of my word and Not hearers only decieving your OWN selves....

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jun 8, 2019

Der Alter said:
How can anyone have a better understanding when there is so much false information here? The first forum I joined more than 2 decades ago was a "Hebrew names" forum and taught this same nonsense. I was banned because I dared to disagree with the owner.
Here is a brief quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia about the pronunciation .

"The forms Jeho or Yeho (

=

), and Jo or Yo (

, contracted from

), which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (

) in the second part of such names. "
NAMES OF GOD - JewishEncyclopedia.com
This quote from your post is absolute nonsense.

"The name Jesus=Je-Zus According to the International Bible encyclopedia, Hey-Zeus is a Roman/Greek God.
Jesus is not even close to the birth name it is from the greek/Latin name.
Marduk, Zeus or Jesus Latin/Greek name."
There is no such Roman/Greek God named "Hey-Zeus" There was a Greek god named Zeus.
But it was not pronounced Zoos, it would have been pronounced Tzehus.
In Greek the oo sound is written "ou" in Greek NOT "eu." The word gospel in Greek ευαγγελιον/euanggelion is pronounced evanggelion not ooanggelion.
The OT testament was translated into Greek in 225 BC in the LXX. In the OT there is a name יֵשׁוּעַ/Yeshua. The vowel points were added by the Jews for this pronunciation. Not the false pronunciation Yashua. In the LXX this name is transliterated Ἰησοῦς/Iesous, pronounced Yaysoos.
The name Joshua is also transliterated as Ἰησοῦς/Iesous in the LXX.
Why would devout Jews transliterate the names Jeshua and Joshua as Ἰησοῦς/Iesous if as you claim it should be Yahshua?

I am sorry you disagree brother, I am also sorry you had such a bad experience in the past. But if you disagree with what was written I ask that you prove from scripture where it says the son's name was not Yah(Yahshua) as the Fathers name is Yah(YHWH).

That is what was written in the encyclopedia, if you believe it is wrong take it up with them. It is not a main part of what I believe so I will not argue about it here, if you disagree with what was written I will accept that.

The name Yah is God's name, I have shown this from the Strong's concordance. And I have shown that Christ came in the Lord's name(Yah) if you disagree with this then show from scripture where Christ's name does not bear the Lord's name(Yah). Because I have shown where it says Christ's name was in fact Yah(Yahshua).

Joshua should not be translated as Yahshua, since they are not the same name. Those of the circumcision called him yeshua(jeshua), the name Jesus is derived from that name given to Christ by them. The name Yeshua comes from the name Joshua, so then we know that it makes sense for the Jews to translate the common name Joshua to Iesous, just as they would translate the name yeshua/jeshua to Iesous.

The Name Yahshua is the one name given under heaven by which man can be saved, it is a unique and powerful name given by the Lord God. No man gave the Lord this name, and there is none other with his name Yahshua.

I would also point out I did show/give you a better understanding of what those who believe in the true name(or at least some of those who believe in the true name) believe concerning the Mosaic Law and dietary restrictions.

May God bless and Guide you to the truth and light of his word brother.

Lost4words · Jun 8, 2019

Do people honestly think that God is scratching His head wondering how people address Him?

God is all knowing. He knows who i am addressing when i say:

"Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner"

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jun 8, 2019

Alithis said:
I laughed at a animation clip that depicted a man drowning and he cries out...
Man : Lord Jesus save me!
Lord: not my name
Man jesu save me!
Lord : not my name
Man: yehashua?
Lord: wrong ...
Man :yeshua
Lord : close but your pronunciation is wrong
Man :......glub glub............
____________

Which pretty much displays the absurdity of the entire movement.

There are many in the charasmatic circle that are into this stuff.
Always i observe that people seeking to be some how More spiritual think that we are called to be more spiritual.. But to be more spiritual simply means to be more Christlike and not confirmed to the works but transformed by the renewing of our minds so that where we once we lived according to the rule of the flesh
Now,We are to live according to the rule of the holy spirit.the law of life in christ JESUS which makes it inevitable that a person doing so will increase in Obedience to God .forsaking the life and cares of This world to Go and tell others about the hope of salvation in JESUS.
I observe over and over.. Where such obedience is not happening
People get drawn into doing All manner of odd and even sinful and fully deceptive things.
Sometimes not sinful in themselves but very deceptive and result in sin of omission .as they look and sound Godly
But in truth we are not told to do them they are not scriptural
And this ranges across all denominations
From burning incense in the corner to a statue of mary.. right through to dancing round in circles waving flags and blowing rams horns on hill tops Or having endless prayer meetings but never Doing what jesus said in every day life..or getting into the distractions of saying his name in Hebrew..

How can So so many be so easily led into distractions and deception...
JESUS said how...
Be Doers of my word and Not hearers only decieving your OWN selves....

Well brother the first part is not correct since the man would be judged by the knowledge he received so if he had heard only Jesus his entire life he would be judged by his faith in that knowledge, believing from the heart that form of doctrine delivered unto them. Now if they have heard the truth and denied it then they will be accountable for it, being judged by the truth that they had received and denied.

I hope this helps you gain a better understanding of the subject brother.

The true name of Christ is said to be very very very important, the bible does not in any way fail to stress the importance of the Son's name.
Here are some of the passages that state the Importance of this one name given by God for man to be saved.
Acts 4:10-12
Matt 28:18-20
Acts 10:48'
Ephesians 1:21
Acts 2:38
Acts 19:5
John 3:18
Romans 10:13
Acts 2:21
Zech 13:9
Romans 10:9

The name of God is important, more important than getting any other name on earth correct. Why you do not see the importance of getting the one given by God that brings salvation correct I do not understand.
John 5:43

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jun 8, 2019

Lost4words said:
Do people honestly think that God is scratching His head wondering how people address Him?

God is all knowing. He knows who i am addressing when i say:

"Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner"

If the name does not matter, then just call him bob or Katy and think really hard about Christ while your doing it so he knows who you are talking about. But while your doing that remember he only gave one name under heaven by which man can be saved and try to think of how important that name is/must be.

Lost4words · Jun 8, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
If the name does not matter, then just call him bob or Katy and think really hard about Christ while your doing it so he knows who you are talking about. But while your doing that remember he only gave one name under heaven by which man can be saved and try to think of how important that name is/must be.

You are being pedantic and unreal my friend.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jun 8, 2019

Lost4words said:
You are being pedantic and unreal my friend.

You say the name does not matter because the Lord knows who you are referring to. If that is the case call him anything you want to, and no matter the name he will know who are speaking of and bless you.

If that is not the case then what name we call him is indeed important. At the very least the right name is important at baptism, since it must be in his name and none other. Can we agree that the Lord's name is important, and that what we call him is important? Or do you still believe what we call him is not important and does not matter?

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