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I didn't say most. I said too many. Unfortunately I've had front a row seat on too many situations where the pastoral help was almost as abusive as the situation she was seeking help from.

Because of these experiences, I can no longer in good conscience recommend an abused wife go to "her pastor" when I have no idea who her pastor is and how he will advise her.

Many pastors are fabulous. Many are not. The ones who are not make blanket advise about "pastors" dangerous.
I have seen and experienced horrific pastoral care first hand. I have heard horror stories straight from the people that have experienced them. Likewise, I have heard just as many about counselors and even abuse counselors. Both situations are the outliers. Yet, in spite of my experiences and these first hand stories, my personal conviction is that I absolutely refuse to assume the worst of somebody that I have just met, or have never met. As a Christian I would rather err on the side of seeing the good in people first and foremost, while still being aware and prepared for the worst. And, I believe that is the example that Jesus demonstrated.
 
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yep you’ve never been in an abusive relationship nor have you seen one . A lot of us have seen abusers at work that why we advised her to leave if he doesnt stop.

This is why I say people struggle with modern culture and views and what God has actually stated in the bible. In today's world, Society shutters at older concepts, What people call abuse today isn't the way God originally wrote the rule book.

In the original word, The scriptures are clear that divorce was given for hardening of the heart.

Feminists won't like this, PC culture shockers won't like this and most modern people, in general, won't like this, But the Man, Is the head of the household, Rights are not entirely equal, and the woman is supposed to be subservient to the man. That is the word.

This is the written word, So people asking for fair and equal treatment in marriage by today's culture is, in fact, perverting the actual word of God.

The man is flat out, On the top, in charge, outranking the woman. He is literally the king of his household.

These things about Leaving someone divorcing someone, By Gods Word, all someone is doing by suggesting that to a married couple is interfering with someone's marriage. I'm not being mean or contrived here, I am pointing out, That the things people want to be fair, The treatment people seek to be right and proper may not actually line up with Gods written word.

I'm not Neave here, I'm being literally scholarly about this. A man's bond with his wife is sacred. We should not be giving her advice on what to do in their marriage we are literally strangers on the internet., that's between her and him and God.
 
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I am so discouraged. How can my husband be so blessed and talented and yes, anointed yet at home for years he calls me dumb stupid etc...

He says I am not trying hard enough, not using my head.

He says not to go against God's anointing.

Today I failed Jesus. I got super angry and swore.

I am tired of being called stupid, dumb idiot., he says I never amounted to anything and that I have nothing to show for all my years. That I do nothing.

He keeps saying people at church think I am dumb too.

He texted me a month ago the following - - "That is my lot, spending my life with someone who doesn't get things. My fault for picking you.
I will NEVER be responsible for your lack of education, wisdom and excellence. Those mediocre attributes are yours and yours alone."

He told me that there are 5 types of people and the kind of person i am, he has to use the rod of discipline to beat the stupidity out of me.

I was super angry today because I have been having back pain and there he goes saying that I need to clean the floor by bending over and picking up any pieces, but bending over is difficult right now. And he's called me dumb, idiot. He wanted a particular kind of meat at a restaurant and I thought it was ok the one I bought but it turned out to be the wrong one. He called me names because of that saying I should have known. This is the second time I picked up from there.

He got a little rough by putting his hand underneath my chin hard and then downstairs too when he pushed me but he says he was just pushing me out of the way.


I told him to keep his "beeping" hands to himself. Not my greatest moment, I sinned bad.

I told him I don't want him to call me names anymore but he said he won't call me names if I don't do anything stupid. I toldhhim calling me names is not normal.

Sunday I realised that he doesn't call me names at church because he knows no one would agree with it so instead he calls me by endearments instead.

He says I am demon possessed, angel of light coming against the man of God. He has said I was not saved. He said today if I left him I probably would go for a woman - which is so very much not true.

I used to spend so much time with the Lord every day when I was single but now it's so hard. I tried praying tonight but I didn't feel much. So then I tried worshipping and it just wasn't the same.

Could the Lord be angry with me?

I am not happy at all. I thought marrying him was the Lord's Will. But from the beginning he was impatient with me and after 4 months the name calling began.

He even said he should not have married me.

To be fair, I was not the neatest or most organized person and he's super neat, but I have worked hard and he even said a few days ago that I have improved.

It's not always this bad. Just a few days ago he said I have improved and he appreciated the things that I take care of at home that he doesn't have to worry about. He sometimes says things like he's proud of me or proud that I am his wife. And during those times it's great as long as I don't mess it up, by dropping something by accident or saying something I know he won't like

But when I mess up its the names again, dumb stupid or idiot.

He says it's normal that married couples fight.

I did call him a fake Christian that thinks because of all the work he does for the Lord, that he is ok.

He even said something like, not exact words, but something along the lines of since what he does at church goes so well, the Lord must be pleased with him

Can the Lord be angry with me or not pleased because I don't keep my mouth shut all the time? I do ignore many things, even cutting remarks at times, but sometimes I just can't take it and respond back in anger.

Before being saved I dated men, one for a long time and he never called me names. I get married to a Christian and I am called names,put down, pushed around .... What's going on???



It sounds like your husband needs a lesson in humility and that is what I pray for on your behalf; that he will have a very humbling experience that will open his eyes to the way he is treating you.

What you describe in your post is not the loving and respectful manner in which the Bible says that a husband is supposed to treat his wife. (Eph. 5:25-33, Col. 3:19, 1 Pet. 3:7) He may say he loves you, but it does not sound like that his actions and attitude towards you reflects his professed love for you.

What is worse, and not just worse, but the worst part of it all is that your husband’s treatment of you is interfering with your time with God and making discouraged with your walk with Christ.

Yet it is under such difficult circumstances that we need to spend time with the Lord all the more.

It is easy to trust and spend time with God in the good times, but it is when we face adversity, in whatever form it may come that our faith is tested and the level of our devotion to Christ is tried.

Stand firm. Because if you don’t, then you really will be defeated and that would be a tragedy.

Continue to remain in the fellowship, find time to pray regularly and pour out to God all that is on your heart and mind as often as you must, and remain in a regular study of His Word so that you may continue to remain close to God. You may not always feel like it, but hold fast to those things anyway, even when you don’t feel like, for when you do these things, even when you don’t feel like it, the feelings can still follow.

Furthermore, if God has placed any calling, any set of goals on your heart to pursue, then pursue them with all the time afforded you and every chance you get. It may not be easy, you may feel the odds may be against you, and you may not get the encouragement and support in the pursuit of all that God has placed in your heart and spirit to pursue, but do not let that stop you.

You may not have much to work with, but still faithfully use and work with what God has already given you. It may not be much, but if you will be faithful in using and working with what you do have, you may be amazed at what God decides to do next in your life. Remember that God works all things out for the good of those who love Him. (Rom. 8:28)

Now, you may be wondering as to what good can come out of your current situation, but nonetheless, hold fast to that promise and continue to walk with the Lord as closely as you can and serve Him in whatever capacity He has currently placed you in.

And as scripture states, you as a wife still must continue to submit to your husband as is fitting in the Lord (Col. 3:18) but that is not to say you have to submit to the constant verbal abuse that he subjects you to.

When he asks you to do something and what you do does not meet his standards, no matter how hard you have tried to ensure the things asked of you are done to meet his expectations, the only thing that can be done is to tell him: “If you don’t like the way I’m doing this, do it yourself.”

Perhaps if you begin doing that enough times and leave him in a position to where he is stuck doing the things he would normally ask you to do, he just might start to get the message and come to realize that he has not been the loving husband to you that he should be. Perhaps he will begin to see that he has been making you miserable and begin to love and treat you the way that he should.

I love my wife dearly and thank God for her every day, but there have been times, though very seldom, that when she has asked me to do something for her and she didn’t like the way I was doing it, I would get so frustrated that I would simply tell her, “If you don’t like the way I’m doing it (washing dishes for example) do it yourself.”

It’s been several years since I’ve ever had to do that, but when I did, she got the message that there were certain things that were best done by her rather than me.

It is wonderful that your husband has the gifts and the talents that he has, but if only he would come to accept that God has given you a different set of gifts and talents and learn to be supportive in the dreams and ambitions that God has placed in you.

One person has been given a certain set of gifts and talents and another has their own. There is a reason why God did not create us all to be the same or has given us all the same set of gifts and talents.

But what I find most troubling is that your husband seems to think that if he is serving Him faithfully within the four walls of a church building that God must be pleased with Him. Does he not know that in order for his professed faith to be shown authentic, that the person he appears to be in the church must also be that same person outside of the church? Does he not understand that if his words of faith are to have any credibility, that the manner in which he lives his life, conducts himself, treats the people around him (including you), his interests, and priorities must be reflective of what he professes? (Jas. 2:17-26)

And as even one U.S. Senator of this current generation put it, "Religion that is contained only within a church building is a weekend hobby, not a personal faith." Religion that is contained only within a church building is a weekend hobby, not a personal faith. - James Lankford


I don’t blame you for calling your husband a fake Christian. I do not see how anyone who loves the Lord can blame you. You gave him the remarks he deserved at the time. I pray that those remarks may cause your husband to examine himself to determine whether he is really of the faith like he says he is. (2 Cor. 13:5)

The way you have said that he treats you much of the time is unbecoming of one who professes love for Christ. Yes, married couples, even in the best of marriages, will have a disagreement now and then, but what your husband is doing to you goes beyond that.

Have you yet talked to anyone within your church about how your husband has been treating you at home? If so, what have they suggested? If you haven’t, you should, for when two professing Christians are at odds with one another, even if they are a married couple, the fellowship they attend is the first place that they should go to resolve the matter.
 
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I don't have a daughter (maybe someday), but I am wondering if anyone on here does. I know parents, particularly fathers, are protective of their daughters. So what would you recommend your own little girl were in this predicament? I think it's more of a rhetorical question. We really cannot know someone's unique situation unless and until it happens to us or our beloved ones.
 
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@Endeavourer

I am a conservative and a complementarian in theory (since I am single, I can't say that I am in practice). But I am definitely against any form of mistreatment against women. What you described and what is described in an article below by a feminist pastor truly makes me sad.

How Not To Respond To Abuse Victims

@Itsahappyday, I am going to say this again and for the last time: Please seek help. If you don't, you will regret it later when your situation worsens. I am praying for you. I think we all are.
 
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What you described and what is described in an article below by a feminist pastor truly makes me sad.

How Not To Respond To Abuse Victims

Great article! If only people could be more informed of aspects discussed in this article before they comment on threads like this.

For example:

Victim Blaming:
“Blaming” is a response that places full or partial blame on the person who was or is being abused, instead of placing the full measure of responsibility on the abuser (where it belongs). It is important to remember that nothing a person could ever do (or not do) could make them deserving of or responsible for the abusive actions of another.

1) When victims find the courage to speak up about their abuse, an all too common response from family, friends, and professionals (secular and religious) is to blame, shame and silence the victim. This is called "secondary victimization," and often causes significant emotional pain and feelings of isolation. It may additionally cause a loss of self-confidence and trust towards the should-be supporters and organizations.

If you try to admonish a victim of abuse, particularly abuse as vile as that being received by
@Itsahappyday, then you crushing the least of our little ones.

Christ has some very harsh words for that.
 
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I have seen and experienced horrific pastoral care first hand. I have heard horror stories straight from the people that have experienced them. Likewise, I have heard just as many about counselors and even abuse counselors. Both situations are the outliers. Yet, in spite of my experiences and these first hand stories, my personal conviction is that I absolutely refuse to assume the worst of somebody that I have just met, or have never met. As a Christian I would rather err on the side of seeing the good in people first and foremost, while still being aware and prepared for the worst. And, I believe that is the example that Jesus demonstrated.

That's up to you.

I don't take those kind of chances with the despair and suffering of others. Even pastors I thought would surely be safe have proven not to be.

Now I refer them only to a resource that I **KNOW** is safe. My resource is both Christian and highly experienced specifically in marriage counseling. You might say his ministry is marriages.

I can't play Russian Roulette with the suffering of others. The experience of a spiritual breakdown and abuse in the midst of vile marital abuse can damage a woman's health for the rest of her life. I wouldn't want to put my worst enemy through that.
 
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That's up to you.

I don't take those kind of chances with the despair and suffering of others. Even pastors I thought would surely be safe have proven not to be.

Now I refer them only to a resource that I **KNOW** is safe. My resource is both Christian and highly experienced specifically in marriage counseling. You might say his ministry is marriages.

I can't play Russian Roulette with the suffering of others. The experience of a spiritual breakdown and abuse in the midst of vile marital abuse can damage a woman's health for the rest of her life. I wouldn't want to put my worst enemy through that.

Then why are you even commenting here? Your advice is to not go to anyone you personally don't *KNOW* is safe, and that isn't possible here. You talk about Russian roulette, but talk like that in a forum like this is actually doing exactly that. All it takes is someone reading your comments and becoming so afraid to go to the *WRONG* person, that they go to *NO* person. I have seen it happen myself.

And why keep coming after me? It's against this forums guidelines and it's not helping anything. I suggest we just drop it and move on.
 
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You are in a thread with a bunch of Christians debating about what the best solution is, Many people have mixed feelings about the proper way to handle this, Just offering any advice isn't the proper thing to do when it concerns the institution of marriage. If you are not here to debate. The best thing to do is be careful about what advice you give,
There is what is Right and Just in Gods eyes If you don't know exactly the right advice to give,
Then you are just giving advice blindly, What happens when the blind follow the blind?

Thanks, I already posted the scriptures I based my opinion on and don't see any benefit to anyone by pushing it towards flaming.
 
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But the Man, Is the head of the household, Rights are not entirely equal, and the woman is supposed to be subservient to the man. That is the word.

We are not here on this thread to preach but to provide advice to the OP.

What is your advice for a wife who has sincerely tried this but is being severely abused and mistreated by her husband, as this OP is?

In the context of this thread to which you are replying, you seem to be saying husbands have the absolute right to abuse their wives even if their imaginations on how to devise more miseries for her are twisted and warped.

Your advice is telling this OP that spitefully using her is his right, and that she is to be subservient to that.

This is the written word, So people asking for fair and equal treatment in marriage by today's culture is, in fact, perverting the actual word of God.

The man is flat out, On the top, in charge, outranking the woman. He is literally the king of his household.

More reinforcements from you that she has no human dignity other than that allowed by her cruel and devious husband.

Is this really how you meant to advise her, a precious daughter of our King?
 
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Who determines what Abuse is? Old divorced people? Some guy one the street observing? This is why God was clear about Marriage and what the institution means, and what kinds of things make someone eligible for righting of divorce. What does the Bible say about when it's okay to divorce?

abuse was not mentioned in those scriptures. This is why I say people conflict their Ideas with Gods.

The fact of the matter is If someone abuses someone in marriage. Ie. Smacks the daylights out of them, That is still not Grounds for divorce. People should know what marriage is and what the promise means to God before they go around spouting about Divorce.

I'm not saying it's okay to smack someone, I'm saying the bible clearly does not address that issue. Therefore to assume That it is abuse is and it's okay to divorce because of that reason, is unstudied in Gods word.

Period.

If one is abusive and has his metal health problem, there was really no God given marriage in the first place. It would be simply an Annulment recognizing the true situation. And, since his behavior indicates that he really is not born again of the Holy Spirit it can not be God ordained. I Cor 7:15 "In such cases the Christian partner, whether husband or wife, is free to act." gives her the freedom to leave him.


Proverbs 24:1 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Don’t be jealous of evil people. Have no desire to be around them.

"No-one could be a true Christian and engage in months/years/decades of coercive control and cruelty towards their spouse. Such conduct is anathema to Christ."Restored Relationships

Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,

Barbara Roberts, Not Under Bondage: Biblical Divorce for Abuse, Adultery and Desertion (Australia: Maschil Press, 2008)
 
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Gods word determines Right and wrong not you, Not popular culture, Not anything else, Gods word only, Think again.

II Peter 1, the abuser is an unbeliever, with that guys metal illness, he can not consent to marriage, thus the marriage never happened.
 
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That's all good, but if someone comes to a Christian forum, my assumption is they are seeking spiritual guidance. Plus, a pastor may have resources readily available and contacts to direct people to locally. At my church we created an information packet to give to people for just that purpose.

The experience of many people is Pastors lack common sense in this area, they do not have the resources you claim, And the people She needs to contact He will not send her to. Please post the packet. She needs to go a shelter for protection.

In the Bible married couples lived with their parents and grand parents. A man like him would fall under this text.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 English Standard Version (ESV)
A Rebellious Son
18 “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, 19 then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, 20 and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21 Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
 
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Thank you. I do want to honor God in all I do. The easy way out is leaving but I believe God can change things. It cannot be by my hand that divorce is done. Jesus said what God has brought together let no man put asunder.

Some may argue that God didn't bring us together but I believe He did.

Jesus also said to love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you, if someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other cheek, etc...

Now I am not saying I would say if he started really hurting me, but now he's just rough and pushy.

With his mental illness, God did not have any part in it.

Not every marriage is brought together by God. We know which are by the spiritual fruit.
 
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Who determines what Abuse is? Old divorced people? Some guy one the street observing? This is why God was clear about Marriage and what the institution means, and what kinds of things make someone eligible for righting of divorce. What does the Bible say about when it's okay to divorce?

abuse was not mentioned in those scriptures. This is why I say people conflict their Ideas with Gods.

The fact of the matter is If someone abuses someone in marriage. Ie. Smacks the daylights out of them, That is still not Grounds for divorce. People should know what marriage is and what the promise means to God before they go around spouting about Divorce.

I'm not saying it's okay to smack someone, I'm saying the bible clearly does not address that issue. Therefore to assume That it is abuse is and it's okay to divorce because of that reason, is unstudied in Gods word.

Period.

Shadowprophet, your advice is outrageous and ignorant. It is gravely harmful to a woman who is in a situation such as the OP here.

The fact of the matter is If someone abuses someone in marriage. Ie. Smacks the daylights out of them, That is still not Grounds for divorce.

So, tomorrow I'm going to a baby's funeral to support a mother who was holding the baby when the baby's biological originator (she will not let us use the word father) was trying to beat her up while she was holding the baby. In the process he struck the baby several times with his closed fist. The baby died of brain hemorrhages within 12 hours. Today my friend is taking her shopping to pick out her sweet little baby's outfit for the funeral. Wrap your head around that one, please.

So according to you, she remains in bondage to this monster? Have you ever ministered to abused women, or are they just subservient worms that are beneath your exalted male standing?


While you say this:

When you fight if you are fighting for the right reasons, Then you are doing Gods work. We as Christians shouldn't seek things like pride or ego or fighting just to see who is the Alpha.

You also say this:

Feminists won't like this, PC culture shockers won't like this and most modern people, in general, won't like this, But the Man, Is the head of the household, Rights are not entirely equal, and the woman is supposed to be subservient to the man. That is the word.

So women cannot fight for their own survival in damaging marriages? They must be subservient to the man and his abuse? God's word for her is not to protect herself but to subserve herself to abuse?
 
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I tried to post image using the address, sorry about that.

Thank you. I want to obey the Word. 1 Peter 2:20 states but if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.

I remind myself often if this scripture.

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13 Be willing to serve the people who have authority[d] in this world. Do this for the Lord. Obey the king, the highest authority. 14 And obey the leaders who are sent by the king. They are sent to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do good. 15 When you do good, you stop ignorant people from saying foolish things about you. This is what God wants. 16 Live like free people, but don’t use your freedom as an excuse to do evil. Live as those who are serving God. 17 Show respect for all people. Love your brothers and sisters in God’s family. Respect God, and honor the king.

The Example of Christ’s Suffering
18 Slaves, be willing to serve your masters. Do this with all respect. You should obey the masters who are good and kind, and you should obey the masters who are bad. 19 One of you might have to suffer even when you have done nothing wrong. If you think of God and bear the pain, this pleases God. 20 But if you are punished for doing wrong, there is no reason to praise you for bearing that punishment. But if you suffer for doing good and you are patient, this pleases God. 21 This is what you were chosen to do. Christ gave you an example to follow. He suffered for you. So you should do the same as he did:

22 “He never sinned,
and he never told a lie.”

23 People insulted him, but he did not insult them back. He suffered, but he did not threaten anyone. No, he let God take care of him. God is the one who judges rightly. 24 Christ carried our sins in his body on the cross. He did this so that we would stop living for sin and live for what is right. By his wounds you were healed. 25 You were like sheep that went the wrong way. But now you have come back to the Shepherd and Protector of your lives.

There is nothing in the text that says one is to put up with abuse in Marriage.
 
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No chance of getting away. I am having difficulty believing that God is for me. I really do need to know deep inside what God thinks of me and not what my husband says God thinks of me. My husband once told me that he was disappointed in me and because he know how God thinks, he knows God is disappointed in me too.

When I tell him things he's said or done that was not right, he denies he said or did it.

Or he'll reorganize the order of things that were said or done making him look like a victim and paint me as the bad guy.

This has happened so many times that I even started doubting stories about his past that he has told me where people were unkind and he the innocent victim.

Is that a character issue or a memory issue? He normally has an excellent memory.

Please go to women's shelter and get help.
 
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