Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

Did event of Israel 1948 fulfill any Bible prophecy?


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Sure, there are some in every crowd that dispute things. And one can always find "evidence" that supports their presuppositions. I can list a bunch of links to articles and supposed "experts" who claim we never put a man on the moon too.

Now, the task would be, prove that what I stated was in error. Prove that Ezra and Nehemiah had no clue what they were talking about. Prove that none of any of the northern tribes migrated south and joined with Judah. I know many Jewish and Messianic Jewish people that do not subscribe to the links you posted. I didn't bother listing any of them simply because it was not necessary. The Scripture, historical, and archaeological evidence was all that was needed.

And do I take the word of a bunch of malcontents in the 20th and 21st century or do I take the word of the writers of Chronicles along with Ezra and Nehemiah? That should be a no brainer. And of the historical and archaeological evidence, it is not biased, just history and archaeology. Not the level of scripture, but more worthy of consideration than opinions from those whose credibility is questionable. Like one Jew who is capitalizing on this "no DNA Jews" idea, Shlomo Sand. A art critic and history prof that lives in Israel because he likes the Tel Aviv coffee scene that has no credibility in DNA science whatsoever. The guy has been thoroughly debunked as a crack pot.

But anyone is free to choose. One key to anything in this regard, I like to err on the side of caution. The scripture is replete with comments from Yahweh that folks will be judged on how they treated the Hebrew people. And even if I am wrong, well, I viewed and treated folks with concern that I am to show anyone. If I am right and the opposition is wrong... well.... there could be consequences. Either way, I am covered.
 
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Sure, there are some in every crowd that dispute things. And one can always find "evidence" that supports their presuppositions. I can list a bunch of links to articles and supposed "experts" who claim we never put a man on the moon too.

Now, the task would be, prove that what I stated was in error. Prove that Ezra and Nehemiah had no clue what they were talking about. Prove that none of any of the northern tribes migrated south and joined with Judah. I know many Jewish and Messianic Jewish people that do not subscribe to the links you posted. I didn't bother listing any of them simply because it was not necessary. The Scripture, historical, and archaeological evidence was all that was needed.

And do I take the word of a bunch of malcontents in the 20th and 21st century or do I take the word of the writers of Chronicles along with Ezra and Nehemiah? That should be a no brainer. And of the historical and archaeological evidence, it is not biased, just history and archaeology. Not the level of scripture, but more worthy of consideration than opinions from those whose credibility is questionable. Like one Jew who is capitalizing on this "no DNA Jews" idea, Shlomo Sand. A art critic and history prof that lives in Israel because he likes the Tel Aviv coffee scene that has no credibility in DNA science whatsoever. The guy has been thoroughly debunked as a crack pot.

But anyone is free to choose. One key to anything in this regard, I like to err on the side of caution. The scripture is replete with comments from Yahweh that folks will be judged on how they treated the Hebrew people. And even if I am wrong, well, I viewed and treated folks with concern that I am to show anyone. If I am right and the opposition is wrong... well.... there could be consequences. Either way, I am covered.

No genuine zionist or dispensationalist can fail to be elated with the reality of Abrahamic genetic ubiquity, for it represents nothing less than the ultimate and complete literal fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham in Genesis 22:18, and to Isaac in Genesis 26:4.

It represents the greatest and fondest hope, dream, and aspiration of the zionist and dispensationalist.

How can you possibly reject it?
 
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How can you possibly reject it?
We don't reject the truth that all those in Christ are children of Abraham, Galatians 3:26-29, or more specifically: of Jacob. But that designation is in the spiritual sense.

There is, as you do prove, that after so many generations; everyone has at least a smidgin of Abe's genes.
But this comes against the many scriptures that plainly say how God will restore, redeem, forgive and reinstate the descendants of His originally chosen people. And it obvious that they are far more than just the Jewish people, as we are told they will be severely punished and only a Jewish remnant will survive.
God has kept watch on those with direct Israelite ancestry, Amos 9:9, so it will be those people who will be saved and who will occupy all of the holy Land. Joined by many other faithful Christians and all will meet Jesus, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Revelation 14:1, soon after the Sixth Seal devastation has cleared and cleansed all of that area. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
 
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Happens all the time...

Well then you should bring an example forth.

Israelis? Israelis are a multi ethnic lot. genetics is irrelevant to being an "Israeli"... Plenty of Arab Muslim/Christian Israelis.

Of these three types of Israelis, Which would you say are God's Covenant People TODAY?
The Jewish Israeli, the Muslim Israeli or the Christian Israeli?

The same as they always have been , the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! That is what makes a Jew a Jew!

Well, since God can raise all sons of Abraham he could ever need from a pile of rocks, seems to me He doesn't need any current "Levinthals, Levines or Levinsteins" to select from does He?

Well you can argue with god why He said He will do what He said He will do.
 
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We don't reject the truth that all those in Christ are children of Abraham, Galatians 3:26-29, or more specifically: of Jacob. But that designation is in the spiritual sense.

There is, as you do prove, that after so many generations; everyone has at least a smidgin of Abe's genes.
But this comes against the many scriptures that plainly say how God will restore, redeem, forgive and reinstate the descendants of His originally chosen people. And it obvious that they are far more than just the Jewish people, as we are told they will be severely punished and only a Jewish remnant will survive.
God has kept watch on those with direct Israelite ancestry, Amos 9:9, so it will be those people who will be saved and who will occupy all of the holy Land. Joined by many other faithful Christians and all will meet Jesus, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Revelation 14:1, soon after the Sixth Seal devastation has cleared and cleansed all of that area. Deuteronomy 32:34-43

No where in Scripture does it say the church are the children of Jacob! We are the people from all nations who are blessed through Abraham as God promised, but we are not spiritual Jews.
 
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Of all the tribes, those from Levi are probably the closest to being able to identify who is who. Those involved with the 3rd temple movement claim to have proven lineage of all the priests in training. Now, I suppose it could die by the cuts of a thousand conditions that anyone who objects would throw out there. It will never be good enough for those who are opposed to the whole idea.

Do you have any kind of evidence to corroborate this? A news article or link that shows the kohen (priest) of the 3rd temple movement can prove their genealogical lineage? I'd be really interested in that. I was under the impression that the kohen was presumed, as priestly genealogical records were destroyed in 70ad. This is also known as the presumption of priestly descent, which is not based on scripture, but on extra biblical rabbinic writings.

"The presumption of priestly descent (or presumed kohen or status-quo kohen) in Judaism is the attribution to a kohen of equivalent position as if there was proven descent from the priestly family of Aaron. This is evidenced NOT by genealogical records but by de facto priestly behavior as defined in rabbinical halakhic texts." (Presumption of priestly descent - Wikipedia)

Rabbinic Authority

"it is common amongst the masses to say to the kohen "bring a proof that you are a kohen and take (the twenty-four kohanic gifts)".. this is a mistake, since the Kohen and Levi are established by Chazaka (presumption)." Jospeh Trani

"we give Terumah (Gedola) to the Kohen—even if he is not Meyuchas (has his lineage document)—only "Muchzak" Moses Isserles


"I question,... those that understood the Rivash..(as saying) that the Kohen of today is in a status of uncertainty (as to his lineage), since although they do not have their lineage tree nonetheless we stone.. based on Chazaka. And know, even aside for that, also in the days of the Talmud—aside for a select few—they did not have it (their liniage information) as is written, "I do not know if i stem from Reuven."
Yair Bacharach
 
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No where in Scripture does it say the church are the children of Jacob! We are the people from all nations who are blessed through Abraham as God promised, but we are not spiritual Jews.

Paul states the opposite. If anyone is in Christ, whether Jew or Greek, they are Abraham's offspring.

Galatians 3:26-29 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.
 
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We don't reject the truth that all those in Christ are children of Abraham, Galatians 3:26-29, or more specifically: of Jacob. But that designation is in the spiritual sense.

There is, as you do prove, that after so many generations; everyone has at least a smidgin of Abe's genes.
But this comes against the many scriptures that plainly say how God will restore, redeem, forgive and reinstate the descendants of His originally chosen people. And it obvious that they are far more than just the Jewish people, as we are told they will be severely punished and only a Jewish remnant will survive.
God has kept watch on those with direct Israelite ancestry, Amos 9:9, so it will be those people who will be saved and who will occupy all of the holy Land. Joined by many other faithful Christians and all will meet Jesus, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, Revelation 14:1, soon after the Sixth Seal devastation has cleared and cleansed all of that area. Deuteronomy 32:34-43

No genuine dispensationalist confines Genesis 22:18 or Genesis 26:4 to only the “spiritual sense”. A literal interpretation is indispensable to the perpetuation of the “two peoples of God” fallacy, and to the concomitant racialization of the Gospel and Scripture.

Without said interpretation, dispensationalism dies an instant death.

That is why every genuine dispensationalist must join with every genuine zionist in the celebration of the literal reality of Abrahamic genetic ubiquity.

Of course, those who understand the message of the whole of Scripture realize that the ultimate complete fulfillment of the Genesis texts is found only in Christ, and those who are in Christ (Galatians 3:16,28,29), i.e. in the “spiritual sense”.

That is the only genuine source of elation and celebration.
 
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Paul states the opposite. If anyone is in Christ, whether Jew or Greek, they are Abraham's offspring.

Galatians 3:26-29 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.


And you totally misunderstand that passage!

First we are Abrahams seed. Not Isaac and Jacobs. that is the criteria to be a physical Jew.

And this passage shows that all have equal access to God! Under the dispensation of the Law greeks, women and slaves were treated differently in worship. IN Christ it is no more!

Genesis 12 King James Version (KJV)
12 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

The church has not taken over the promises God made to physical Israel! We are just recipients because we are Abrahams seed by faith- not blood! The Bible makes a difference we must as well!
 
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Do you have any kind of evidence to corroborate this? A news article or link that shows the kohen (priest) of the 3rd temple movement can prove their genealogical lineage? I'd be really interested in that. I was under the impression that the kohen was presumed, as priestly genealogical records were destroyed in 70ad. This is also known as the presumption of priestly descent, which is not based on scripture, but on extra biblical rabbinic writings.

"The presumption of priestly descent (or presumed kohen or status-quo kohen) in Judaism is the attribution to a kohen of equivalent position as if there was proven descent from the priestly family of Aaron. This is evidenced NOT by genealogical records but by de facto priestly behavior as defined in rabbinical halakhic texts." (Presumption of priestly descent - Wikipedia)

Rabbinic Authority

"it is common amongst the masses to say to the kohen "bring a proof that you are a kohen and take (the twenty-four kohanic gifts)".. this is a mistake, since the Kohen and Levi are established by Chazaka (presumption)." Jospeh Trani

"we give Terumah (Gedola) to the Kohen—even if he is not Meyuchas (has his lineage document)—only "Muchzak" Moses Isserles


"I question,... those that understood the Rivash..(as saying) that the Kohen of today is in a status of uncertainty (as to his lineage), since although they do not have their lineage tree nonetheless we stone.. based on Chazaka. And know, even aside for that, also in the days of the Talmud—aside for a select few—they did not have it (their liniage information) as is written, "I do not know if i stem from Reuven."
Yair Bacharach


You worry about the gnats of this! You forget God is on the throne! He knows how to sort out so the Levites and Cohen will do service in the third temple ! He will not honor the sacrifices, but will honor His covenant with teh physical descendants of Abraham Isaac and JAcob!
 
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No genuine dispensationalist confines Genesis 22:18 or Genesis 26:4 to only the “spiritual sense”. A literal interpretation is indispensable to the perpetuation of the “two peoples of God” fallacy, and to the concomitant racialization of the Gospel and Scripture.

Without said interpretation, dispensationalism dies an instant death.

That is why every genuine dispensationalist must join with every genuine zionist in the celebration of the literal reality of Abrahamic genetic ubiquity.
That there is only ONE people of God is undeniable scripture.
But you want to make God's promises to the Patriarchs null and void. The majority of that people, are their actual descendants.
I point out 2 scriptures that prove this premise;

There are some who think that there is no distinction among the peoples of the world, they are all simply descendants of Adam. The idea of the ubiquity of all humans.

However, God did choose a man, Abraham; to be the father of peoples who would be God’s special people to be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and to display His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16


Matthew 8:11-12 Many, I tell you; will come from the East and the West and sit with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob at the feast of the Kingdom. But those who were born into the Kingdom, will be thrown out into the dark, where there will be wailing and extreme sadness for what they have lost.

These Words of Jesus plainly show that there is a people who are part of the Kingdom of God by descent, but they can lose that advantage by their own rejection of Jesus and failure to keep the Commandments. This was spoken to a Roman Centurion, so it applies to Gentile and Jewish peoples.


We know that the Jewish people only represent the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The Jews themselves admit this truth.

The other 10 tribes remain scattered among the nations, Deuteronomy 4:27-28, John 7:35, serving their decreed time of exile. Ezekiel 4:4-5, multiplied by; Leviticus 26:18 = 2730 years. This time of exile is nearly finished and those people who have accepted the Salvation offered by Jesus, Matthew 15:24, will be Redeemed, restored and forgiven for their iniquities.

They ARE the people who comprise the ‘nation’, who bear the proper fruit; Matthew 21:43, all faithful Christians, now belonging to many diverse nationalities and speaking many different languages.

They will all come together, as prophesied; Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-11, Jeremiah 50:4-7, +, into the holy Land, all the area given to Abraham, but never yet fully occupied by the Lord’s people.

John sees them in his vision of the future; of Revelation 7:1-14, when the Lord will select 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel to go out and proclaim the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19, Revelation 14:1-7


Malachi 3:6-7 I the Lord do not change and you, [my People] have not ceased to be the children of Jacob. Ever since the time of your forefathers, you have been wayward and have not kept My Laws. But if you return to Me, I shall return to you.

We Christian believers ARE the Lord’s people. WE must keep our faith through all that must happen and prove ourselves to be worthy when Jesus Returns, to be His priests and co-rulers. Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 66:21

Isaiah 49:8-13 says that the tribes of Israel will be restored and the Lord’s Salvation will reach to the ends of the earth. The Salvation has reached us and now we await the restoration back into our heritage. Ephesians 3:6, Romans 8:16-18, Psalms 37:29, where we will be called the children of the Living God. Romans 9:24-26
 
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You worry about the gnats of this! You forget God is on the throne! He knows how to sort out so the Levites and Cohen will do service in the third temple ! He will not honor the sacrifices, but will honor His covenant with teh physical descendants of Abraham Isaac and JAcob!
Do the Jews know that God cursed their Priesthood?

OC Mosaic Judaism is a cursed and dead religion now.

And what about the future offspring of the Priests whom are rebuked. They are cursed! [Malachi 2]

OC Mosaic Priesthood cursed forever?


Malachi 2
1 “And now, O priests, this command is for you. 2 If you will not listen, if you will not take it to heart to give honor to my name, says the Lord of hosts, then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings. Indeed, I have already cursed them, because you do not lay it to heart.
3 Behold, I will rebuke your offspring,a and spread dung on your faces, the dung of your offerings, and you shall be taken away with it

8 But you have turned aside from the way. You have caused many to stumble by your instruction. You have corrupted the covenant of Levi, says the Lord of hosts, 9 and so I make you despised and abased before all the people, inasmuch as you do not keep my ways but show partiality in your instruction.”

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers,.........The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness. Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered. The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts..............

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal

The old and the young, the common people and the priests, those who surrendered and those who resisted, were equally involved in this horrible and indiscriminate carnage. Meanwhile the Temple continued burning, until at length, vast as was its size,...........

For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat, pining with hunger, on the top of one of its broken walls; at length, they came down, and humbly asked the pardon of Titus, which, however, he refused to grant them, saying, that, "as the Temple, for the sake of which he would have spared them, was destroyed, it was but fit that its priests should parish also:" -whereupon he commanded that they should be put to death. .........
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Do you have any kind of evidence to corroborate this? A news article or link that shows the kohen (priest) of the 3rd temple movement can prove their genealogical lineage? I'd be really interested in that.

You will have to look at the studies done by Bennett Greenspan regarding the cohanim studies and genetic linkage. He has worked closely with those who's focus has been to establish the priestly line in anticipation of the third temple.

Names also give linkage to Levi. This is one tribe that has done a remarkable job keeping the identity going over the centuries.

Paul states the opposite. If anyone is in Christ, whether Jew or Greek, they are Abraham's offspring.

That is true, in a spiritual sense. But coming to Yeshua does not change one's DNA and make them in the physical lineage of Abraham. Now, if you can show that by having the DNA tested of one who is clearly gentile and then take their DNA after they come to Yeshua and show that they are now a different DNA, then I would accept the totality of your assumption.
 
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Do the Jews know that God cursed their Priesthood?

OC Mosaic Judaism is a cursed and dead religion now.

No doubt. Rabbinic Judaism is a far cry from Biblical Torah observance. Very few would dispute that. But the religion is not the physical. Mormonism was established as an American religion, but it is does not define who Americans are.
 
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Do the Jews know that God cursed their Priesthood?

OC Mosaic Judaism is a cursed and dead religion now.

And what about the future offspring of the Priests whom are rebuked. They are cursed! [Malachi 2]

OC Mosaic Priesthood cursed forever?


Malachi 2
1 “And now, O priests, this command is for you. 2 If you will not listen, if you will not take it to heart to give honor to my name, says the Lord of hosts, then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings. Indeed, I have already cursed them, because you do not lay it to heart.
3 Behold, I will rebuke your offspring,a and spread dung on your faces, the dung of your offerings, and you shall be taken away with it

8 But you have turned aside from the way. You have caused many to stumble by your instruction. You have corrupted the covenant of Levi, says the Lord of hosts, 9 and so I make you despised and abased before all the people, inasmuch as you do not keep my ways but show partiality in your instruction.”

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers,.........The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness. Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered. The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts..............

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen. In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal

The old and the young, the common people and the priests, those who surrendered and those who resisted, were equally involved in this horrible and indiscriminate carnage. Meanwhile the Temple continued burning, until at length, vast as was its size,...........

For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat, pining with hunger, on the top of one of its broken walls; at length, they came down, and humbly asked the pardon of Titus, which, however, he refused to grant them, saying, that, "as the Temple, for the sake of which he would have spared them, was destroyed, it was but fit that its priests should parish also:" -whereupon he commanded that they should be put to death. .........
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Yes Yes yes!

But no one said that God would honor the re- institution of animal sacrifices. It is just recorded as future history that Israel will re-institute them.

But God will fulfill His eternal promises He made with Israel.

Just as He will not honor the animal sacrifices because of Jesus'blood, He will honor His covenants made to the nation because of Jesus! Israel was scattered globally as prophesied, and they are returning to teh land in unbelief as prophesied, and they are being prepared to be purged of the unbelievers amongst them as prophesied!
 
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That there is only ONE people of God is undeniable scripture.
But you want to make God's promises to the Patriarchs null and void. The majority of that people, are their actual descendants.
I point out 2 scriptures that prove this premise;

There are some who think that there is no distinction among the peoples of the world, they are all simply descendants of Adam. The idea of the ubiquity of all humans.

However, God did choose a man, Abraham; to be the father of peoples who would be God’s special people to be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and to display His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16


Matthew 8:11-12 Many, I tell you; will come from the East and the West and sit with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob at the feast of the Kingdom. But those who were born into the Kingdom, will be thrown out into the dark, where there will be wailing and extreme sadness for what they have lost.

These Words of Jesus plainly show that there is a people who are part of the Kingdom of God by descent, but they can lose that advantage by their own rejection of Jesus and failure to keep the Commandments. This was spoken to a Roman Centurion, so it applies to Gentile and Jewish peoples.


We know that the Jewish people only represent the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The Jews themselves admit this truth.

The other 10 tribes remain scattered among the nations, Deuteronomy 4:27-28, John 7:35, serving their decreed time of exile. Ezekiel 4:4-5, multiplied by; Leviticus 26:18 = 2730 years. This time of exile is nearly finished and those people who have accepted the Salvation offered by Jesus, Matthew 15:24, will be Redeemed, restored and forgiven for their iniquities.

They ARE the people who comprise the ‘nation’, who bear the proper fruit; Matthew 21:43, all faithful Christians, now belonging to many diverse nationalities and speaking many different languages.

They will all come together, as prophesied; Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-11, Jeremiah 50:4-7, +, into the holy Land, all the area given to Abraham, but never yet fully occupied by the Lord’s people.

John sees them in his vision of the future; of Revelation 7:1-14, when the Lord will select 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel to go out and proclaim the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19, Revelation 14:1-7


Malachi 3:6-7 I the Lord do not change and you, [my People] have not ceased to be the children of Jacob. Ever since the time of your forefathers, you have been wayward and have not kept My Laws. But if you return to Me, I shall return to you.

We Christian believers ARE the Lord’s people. WE must keep our faith through all that must happen and prove ourselves to be worthy when Jesus Returns, to be His priests and co-rulers. Revelation 5:9-10, Isaiah 66:21

Isaiah 49:8-13 says that the tribes of Israel will be restored and the Lord’s Salvation will reach to the ends of the earth. The Salvation has reached us and now we await the restoration back into our heritage. Ephesians 3:6, Romans 8:16-18, Psalms 37:29, where we will be called the children of the Living God. Romans 9:24-26

So as not to misunderstand you:

Are you saying that teh church today is now Israel and it is the church composed of Jew and gentile that are the actual 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel in revelation?
 
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So as not to misunderstand you:

Are you saying that teh church today is now Israel and it is the church composed of Jew and gentile that are the actual 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel in revelation?
The faithful congregation of believers is and always was the Israel of God.
Neither the established Church or the Jewish State of Israel qualify for that title.

Soon to happen is the Sixth Seal world changer. God will then call all those who stood firm in their faith and called upon His Name during that devastating Day. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
We Christians will travel to and then live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, + We are there when Revelation 7 takes place, as Jesus is revealed to us, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, on Mt Zion, Revelation 14:1-5

So to answer your question; yes we Christian 'Gentiles' who are in fact mostly people descended from the 10 Northern tribes of Israel, will be told which of the 12 divisions of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, we belong to. Out of each of them Jesus will select 12,000 young people to go out and proclaim the coming Kingdom to the world. Proved by Isaiah 66:19

We WILL see it all, great will be the time!
 
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But God will fulfill His eternal promises He made with Israel.

Israel was comprised multiracially of both Jews and Gentiles from its beginning. By what criteria does God identify Israel's Gentiles today?

Genesis 17
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
 
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nolidad said:
So as not to misunderstand you:
Are you saying that teh church today is now Israel and it is the church composed of Jew and gentile that are the actual 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel in revelation?
The faithful congregation of believers is and always was the Israel of God.
Neither the established Church or the Jewish State of Israel qualify for that title.

Soon to happen is the Sixth Seal world changer. God will then call all those who stood firm in their faith and called upon His Name during that devastating Day. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
We Christians will travel to and then live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, + We are there when Revelation 7 takes place, as Jesus is revealed to us, 2 Thessalonians 1:10, on Mt Zion, Revelation 14:1-5

So to answer your question; yes we Christian 'Gentiles' who are in fact mostly people descended from the 10 Northern tribes of Israel, will be told which of the 12 divisions of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, we belong to. Out of each of them Jesus will select 12,000 young people to go out and proclaim the coming Kingdom to the world. Proved by Isaiah 66:19

We WILL see it all, great will be the time!
Israel was comprised multiracially of both Jews and Gentiles from its beginning. By what criteria does God identify Israel's Gentiles today?

Genesis 17
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
What race, breed were the maidservants, Bilhah and Zilpah?

1. Reuben 2. Simeon 3. Levi 4. Judah 5. Dan 6. Naphtali 7. Gad 8. Asher 9. Issachar 10. Zebulun 11. Joseph 12 Benjamin

Leah: 1 Reuben 2 Simeon 3 Levi 4 Judah<3063> 9 Issachar 10 Zebulun
Rachel 11 Joseph 12 Benjamin

Bilhah [Rachel's maid] 5 Dan 6 Naphtali
Zilpah [Leah's maid] 7 Gad 8 Asher
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Last time the Hebrew word for "Jew/Judean" is used in OT

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon


582 'enowsh en-oshe' from 605; properly, a mortal (and thus differing from the more dignified 120); hence, a man in general (singly or collectively):-..............
3064 Yhuwdiy
yeh-hoo-dee' patronymically from 3063; a Jehudite (i.e. Judaite or Jew), or descendant of Jehudah (i.e. Judah):--Jew.
occurs 76 times in 70 verses

Zechariah 8:23

Thus says Yahweh of Hosts: In those days take hold do ten men<582> of all languages of the nations, Yea, they have taken hold on the skirt<3671> of a man<582>, a Jew/Judean/Y@huwdiy<3064>, saying:
'We shall go with Thee, for we hear Elohim with Thee{ye}'!
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Acts 1:6 Restore Kingdom to Israel/10 KINGS One Mind Reve 17

Acts 1:6
Those indeed then coming together, asked Him saying, `Lord!, if in to-this time, Thou are restoring the Kingdom to the Israel?'
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History of God's Holy Bible and the so-called Jews

According to Strong's Greek Lexicon, the English word "Jewry" in this verse was translated from the Greek word #2449 Ioudaia {ee-oo-dah'-yah} feminine for the land of Judea. Modern translations no longer use the word "Jewry" but the correct translation, "Judea," as in the New American Standard Bible: "And after these things Jesus was walking in Galilee; for He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill Him." The New International Version uses the same word. However, these translations continue to improperly use the word "Jews" in the same verse. A consistent translation would read: ". . . He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Judeans were seeking to kill Him."
John 7:1 And Jesus was walking in the Galilee after these-things, for not He desired in the Judea/ioudaia <2449> to be walking, that sought to kill Him, the Judeans/ioudaioi <2453>,
Had Jesus been a Judean it is very likely He would have been an Edomite, not a kinsman to Adam, and thereby disqualified from being the Holy One of Israel, the last Adam, who was born to redeem the first (Leviticus 25; Ruth). Were Jesus a so-called Jew He would not have been Messiah whom the Lord prophesied would dwell in Galilee of the Gentiles (Isaiah 9:1-7). Jesus did not live in Judea and dared not walk in Jewry (i.e. Judea), "for fear of the Jews" who sought to kill Him.
 
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