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My theology has us as sheep who will follow. Just as Jesus said.
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My theology has us as sheep who will follow. Just as Jesus said.
I gave the passage. You made a claim that it doesn’t mean what I think it means. So the onus is on you.
"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."If you are part of it, then it’s not the fruit of the Spirit. It’s the fruit of the Spirit and fhansen.
In your understanding, how are wicked people saved?
It’s impossible to good outside of the goodness of God within us.It was a statement showing that man can do good, therefore many have a misunderstanding of Romans 3:12.
Even in that example, you aren’t producing fruit."I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."
The "if" is a contingency that I must fulfill, the role of my will. God wants this to be a willing marriage, a partnership, for our good. His glory is reflected in the justice residing inside His creation as it -as we -willingly participate.
You are going to have to explain a little better. I’m having trouble understanding your meaning.Romans 6:16 "obedience unto righteousness"
Obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine, then freed free sin (justified) Romans 6:17-18
Obedience to the will of God is the cure for sin, wickedness.
Yes it does.That doesn’t address the question.
If WE don’t choose to love God, it will never happen. But I agree it shows. It’s just pretty rare.Our part is to let Him be and work in us. A lamp with oil can burn, otherwise it will just burn out. If people have the love of God in them, it shows.
You asked "how are wicked people saved?"You are going to have to explain a little better. I’m having trouble understanding your meaning.
Then we are saved by works of righteousness, not by faith.You asked "how are wicked people saved?"
For the lost, wicked to be saved, they must choose to obey the will of God, then they can be saved...God accepts those that 'worketh righteousness" (Acts of the Apostles 10:35).
Hence Paul says "obedience UNTO righteousness". Romans 6:16
There is no such thing as "disobedience unto righteousness".
So you are going to take credit for the fruit?Yes, it's true that the fruit comes from Him. But I can still prevent its flowering, so it takes both.
I assure you God is and we cannot prevent Him from being nor give him permission to be. We need to surrender, not grant God something he needs “to be.”Our part is to let Him be and work in us. A lamp with oil can burn, otherwise it will just burn out. If people have the love of God in them, it shows.
If we don’t surrender, it won’t happen. We are not passive.Yes, it's true that the fruit comes from Him. But I can still prevent its flowering, so it takes both.
If he hadn’t obeyed he wouldn’t have enjoyed the status he did. Sacrificing is never “letting God” be.Abraham didn’t make himself righteous.
Then we are saved by works of righteousness, not by faith.
Right, and when we choose to get saved and accept His gift of life, that is coming to Him. After that, the issue is not salvation but abiding in Him in order to bear fruit.If WE don’t choose to love God, it will never happen. But I agree it shows. It’s just pretty rare.
He is, but He is only in us once we ask for Him to come in. Otherwise He is very much prevented from really being in our heart and lives.I assure you God is and we cannot prevent Him from being nor give him permission to be. We need to surrender, not grant God something he needs “to be.”