Ken Ham v the Flat Earth

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I take it you're not a fan of the idea that...

Look at you, adding extraneous ideas to the Bible again.

Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

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. On a geocentric earth Venus and mercury would have to be observed within a narrow angle of the sun. The problem is that on a geocentric system you’d never be able to see the phases of Venus that , in reality ,are actually easily observed .View attachment 257692View attachment 257693
As you can figure out in a geocentric system the only phases you’d see are crescent and new because of the fact that Venus is never observed far from the sun
brightmoon we do live in a geocentric system right now. And as you stated we able to see the phases of Venus which are easily observed right now. Just your point of view that we can only see this the heliocentric way I’m not sure why your diagram has the sun in the middle with every planet surrounding it bar the earth It’s right down the bottom for some reason.
 
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brightmoon we do live in a geocentric system right now. And as you stated we able to see the phases of Venus which are easily observed right now. Just your point of view that we can only see this the heliocentric way I’m not sure why your diagram has the sun in the middle with every planet surrounding it bar the earth It’s right down the bottom for some reason.
that’s a photo of a video. I can’t link . Ptolemy’s version of a geocentric system does show the changes in the apparent size and keeps the planet near the sun , but DOES NOT account for all the visible phases of Venus ( or of Mercury). You would only see a narrow crescent of Venus within a geocentric system and the other phases would not be visible from earth

(I just realized your misconception. That second diagram shows Venus only. These are what Venus looks like from earth at different points of its heliocentric year)
 
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that’s a photo of a video. I can’t link . Ptolemy’s version of a geocentric system does show the changes in the apparent size and keeps the planet near the sun , but DOES NOT account for all the visible phases of Venus ( or of Mercury). You would only see a narrow crescent of Venus within a geocentric system and the other phases would not be visible from earth
Thanks brightmoon I shall put a search in for the video later.
 
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I take it you're not a fan of the idea that those seven churches can be representatives of seven periods of history?

Or is this the first time you've ever heard this?

So you're saying that those verses are metaphorical and not literal? ;)
 
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So you're saying that those verses are metaphorical and not literal? ;)
They are both.

The messages to the seven churches have a fourfold application:

(1) Local, to the churches actually addressed;

(2) admonitory, to all churches in all time as tests by which they may discern their true spiritual state in the sight of God;

(3) personal, in the exhortations to him "that hath an ear," and in the promise "to him that overcometh";

(4) prophetic, as disclosing seven phases of the spiritual history of the church from, say, A.D. 96 to the end. It is incredible that in a prophecy covering the church period, there should be no such foreview. These messages must contain that foreview if it is in the book at all, for the church does not appear after Rev 3.22. Again, these messages by their very terms go beyond the local assemblies mentioned. Most conclusively of all, these messages do present an exact foreview of the spiritual history of the church, and in this precise order. Ephesus gives the general state at the date of the writing; Smyrna, the period of the great persecutions; Pergamos, the church settled down in the world, "where Satan's throne is," after the conversion of Constantine, say A.D. 316. Thyatira is the Papacy, developed out of the Pergamos state: Balaamism (worldliness) and Nicolaitanism (priestly assumption) having conquered. As Jezebel brought idolatry into Israel, Song Romanism weds Christian doctrine to pagan ceremonies. Sardis is the Protestant Reformation, whose works were not "fulfilled." Philadelphia is whatever bears clear testimony to the Word and the Name in the time of self-satisfied profession represented by Laodicea.

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This is why I'm bringing up the many Christians who do believe in evolution. They don't hold to a YEC position, but I have no reason to believe they distrust or reject teachings of the Bible. Or are unhappy in any way.
And I would be one of those Christians who is not a YEC and I am not unhappy in any way.
But not all people are the same. In one of the many threads someone said that if the seven days weren't literal 24 hr. days how could they know that any of the rest of the Bible was true.
I think we have exhausted this discussion. Thanks for your polite responses.
 
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They are both.

The messages to the seven churches have a fourfold application:

(1) Local, to the churches actually addressed;

(2) admonitory, to all churches in all time as tests by which they may discern their true spiritual state in the sight of God;

(3) personal, in the exhortations to him "that hath an ear," and in the promise "to him that overcometh";

(4) prophetic, as disclosing seven phases of the spiritual history of the church from, say, A.D. 96 to the end. It is incredible that in a prophecy covering the church period, there should be no such foreview. These messages must contain that foreview if it is in the book at all, for the church does not appear after Rev 3.22. Again, these messages by their very terms go beyond the local assemblies mentioned. Most conclusively of all, these messages do present an exact foreview of the spiritual history of the church, and in this precise order. Ephesus gives the general state at the date of the writing; Smyrna, the period of the great persecutions; Pergamos, the church settled down in the world, "where Satan's throne is," after the conversion of Constantine, say A.D. 316. Thyatira is the Papacy, developed out of the Pergamos state: Balaamism (worldliness) and Nicolaitanism (priestly assumption) having conquered. As Jezebel brought idolatry into Israel, Song Romanism weds Christian doctrine to pagan ceremonies. Sardis is the Protestant Reformation, whose works were not "fulfilled." Philadelphia is whatever bears clear testimony to the Word and the Name in the time of self-satisfied profession represented by Laodicea.

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Do you believe the Gap Theory that Scofield promoted?
 
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Actually, there have been numerous experiment models created, using a dome feature over a flat surface that exactly replicates that phenomenon. Your question has been answered and re-answered in recent years. You need some new material.
I've never actually seen the question answered, and I've seen it asked a few times. I'm an open minded individual, are you able to provide an actual answer? I would imagine you actually know the answer yourself, wouldn't you?

I also found these videos to be really problematic for the FE Theory...


 
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Not so much. You want your viewpoint to be taken seriously, but you won't take the time to go back through your own posts to retrieve the links you've previously provided. That plays into Strathos' hands and makes his prediction of your avoidance tactics look pretty accurate.

For those of us trying very hard to adopt an open minded position how about putting in that effort?
He claimed to have posted countless links in these forums to detailed mathematical descriptions by highly qualified contributors, but refused to repost or link to them because in recent times he'd been treated with disrespect. When I looked I couldn't find any such posts at all. He didn't respond constructively when challenged on this. I conclude that he's 'bluffing', to put it charitably. A timewaster.
 
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He claimed to have posted countless links in these forums to detailed mathematical descriptions by highly qualified contributors, but refused to repost or link to them because in recent times he'd been treated with disrespect. When I looked I couldn't find any such posts at all. He didn't respond constructively when challenged on this. I conclude that he's 'bluffing', to put it charitably. A timewaster.
I'm waiting on a response to my post #33. Or to be reported for false accusation. He has nothing more than bluster and dishonesty.
 
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I'm waiting on a response to my post #33. Or to be reported for false accusation. He has nothing more than bluster and dishonesty.
That is the most plausible explanation given the posts he has made, the absence of posts he's claimed to have made, and the absence of explanation from him for the discrepancy. For details, see my earlier post (and his response immediately below it).
 
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He claimed to have posted countless links in these forums to detailed mathematical descriptions by highly qualified contributors, but refused to repost or link to them because in recent times he'd been treated with disrespect. When I looked I couldn't find any such posts at all. He didn't respond constructively when challenged on this. I conclude that he's 'bluffing', to put it charitably. A timewaster.

You're all free to believe any lies you wish. I don't provide anything more, because I don't feel anyone here is worth wasting my time on providing information any longer.

However, I will continue to discuss it to any extent I see fit at the time, and I'm sure I will continue to see baseless accusations, like yours, especially from those demanding I provide some 'evidence' they can ignore and ridicule, while providing zero evidence of a ball earth themselves, but that's just the hypocrisy I'm come to expect around here from the globers.
 
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I'm waiting on a response to my post #33. Or to be reported for false accusation. He has nothing more than bluster and dishonesty.

It's not my fault you can't find anything, but I'm not lifting a finger around here anymore to help any of you in this area. That ship has sailed. Call me any name you want, but I've been nothing but honest, including now when I'm expressing my disdain for all you who keep whining about me and my responses.
 
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I've already posted proof that all flat earth models are 100% impossible. Just look through my old posts to find it, and if you can't, well, that's your problem. :wave:
 
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