Human Blood Types and Monkey's?

Well rhesus monkeys have Rh blood types. In fact this is why they’re called Rh factors. And the other apes have ABO blood types which humans have inherited All the ABO blood types A1, A2, B and O .

Consider the tests that were given to Job. How severe were those? Am I the only Christian who thinks that God permitted Satan to salt the earth with tests? And here is why. Satan could test Job and Satan was permitted to tempt Jesus..., but Satan was forbidden from killing Job and was not able to make Jesus do anything. When it comes to apes and humans we ALMOST fit, but not quite. When it comes to creation, we can ALMOST prove evolution, but not quite. When we are faced with temptations we have one of a million choices, but only one is right. When we look at personal relationships, the opposite sex is the one created by God and the ONLY one permitted by God. We are always one shy of a whole basket of what is and what is not of God. Why? Because God permitted Satan to set us up for a test. Do you believe in God, the great I Am that I Am? Or, do you believe in materials and men?

marineimaging said:

Consider the tests that were given to Job. How severe were those? Am I the only Christian who thinks that God permitted Satan to salt the earth with tests? And here is why. Satan could test Job and Satan was permitted to tempt Jesus..., but Satan was forbidden from killing Job and was not able to make Jesus do anything. When it comes to apes and humans we ALMOST fit, but not quite. When it comes to creation, we can ALMOST prove evolution, but not quite. When we are faced with temptations we have one of a million choices, but only one is right. When we look at personal relationships, the opposite sex is the one created by God and the ONLY one permitted by God. We are always one shy of a whole basket of what is and what is not of God. Why? Because God permitted Satan to set us up for a test. Do you believe in God, the great I Am that I Am? Or, do you believe in materials and men?

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no offense but Darwin “ proved” evolution 150 years ago. The few details that he got wrong we’ve long since corrected

Brightmoon said:

no offense but Darwin “ proved” evolution 150 years ago. The few details that he got wrong we’ve long since corrected

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No offense taken, but consider the ENTIRE story of Job. Job's friends were part and parcel of the temptation. They played right into Satans hands. The story of Job shows that Satan can approach God and Satan can be given the opportunity to challenge men. Seeding the earth long before Darwin would have been a perfect way to do it as well. Unless Darwin made some last minute prayers we are not privy to I doubt he will be greeting me in Heaven to ask how I enjoyed the Galapagos challenge. Based on the difference between what God said and what man said, I believe God. All we see, 1 man for 1 woman, in 6 days and rested on the 7th, full flood, Jesus brings salvation for Jew and Gentile alike, Satan bound, 1000 year reign, Jesus wins.

marineimaging said:

Consider the tests that were given to Job. How severe were those? Am I the only Christian who thinks that God permitted Satan to salt the earth with tests? And here is why. Satan could test Job and Satan was permitted to tempt Jesus..., but Satan was forbidden from killing Job and was not able to make Jesus do anything. When it comes to apes and humans we ALMOST fit, but not quite. When it comes to creation, we can ALMOST prove evolution, but not quite. When we are faced with temptations we have one of a million choices, but only one is right. When we look at personal relationships, the opposite sex is the one created by God and the ONLY one permitted by God. We are always one shy of a whole basket of what is and what is not of God. Why? Because God permitted Satan to set us up for a test. Do you believe in God, the great I Am that I Am? Or, do you believe in materials and men?

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Taken in context, with god wagering with Satan that he can't shake his boy Job, seems petty and cruel. But hey, it all worked out in the end with Job reppin' mad props to the man upstairs. Worth a 50/50 split of the wager, I'd say.

GoldenKingGaze said:

How varied and exotic are human blood types? Considering we come from 3 men of the ark? And monkeys, how many blood types are there among them, also of the ark but not from Noah of course? There should not be a lot of variety among people.

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Sorry, but modern molecular genetics all but puts a literal Noah and family firmly into the realm of myth/legend. We have just about complete understanding of the evolution of blood types and their distributions among different ethnic groups over the last one million years, give or take.

marineimaging said:

No offense taken, but consider the ENTIRE story of Job. Job's friends were part and parcel of the temptation. They played right into Satans hands. The story of Job shows that Satan can approach God and Satan can be given the opportunity to challenge men. Seeding the earth long before Darwin would have been a perfect way to do it as well. Unless Darwin made some last minute prayers we are not privy to I doubt he will be greeting me in Heaven to ask how I enjoyed the Galapagos challenge. Based on the difference between what God said and what man said, I believe God. All we see, 1 man for 1 woman, in 6 days and rested on the 7th, full flood, Jesus brings salvation for Jew and Gentile alike, Satan bound, 1000 year reign, Jesus wins.

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You obviously don’t get it . Insert random Bible verse here, is not going to trump verifiable physical evidence

Brightmoon said:

You obviously don’t get it . Insert random Bible verse here, is not going to trump verifiable physical evidence

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No, I do get it. (I should not have said that. I am ignorant of physics. I was just talking about time.) HOWEVER! As for blood, how many times is it mentioned in the Bible? How many times is blood the single component of life that is spoken of with absoluteness and reverence? The BLOOD of Jesus Christ was the component of salvation which no other man could have expended to have arrived at forgiveness for those who believe in Him.

marineimaging said:

Consider the tests that were given to Job. How severe were those? Am I the only Christian who thinks that God permitted Satan to salt the earth with tests? … When it comes to apes and humans we ALMOST fit, but not quite.

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Did Satan create the nonhuman apes?

marineimaging said:

No, I do get it. (I should not have said that. I am ignorant of physics. I was just talking about time.) HOWEVER! As for blood, how many times is it mentioned in the Bible? How many times is blood the single component of life that is spoken of with absoluteness and reverence? The BLOOD of Jesus Christ was the component of salvation which no other man could have expended to have arrived at forgiveness for those who believe in Him.

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You do realize that people thousands of years ago did observe that severe blood loss caused death and they mistakenly thought that blood had some unknown magic life element.

marineimaging said:

No, I do get it. (I should not have said that. I am ignorant of physics. I was just talking about time.) HOWEVER! As for blood, how many times is it mentioned in the Bible? How many times is blood the single component of life that is spoken of with absoluteness and reverence? The BLOOD of Jesus Christ was the component of salvation which no other man could have expended to have arrived at forgiveness for those who believe in Him.

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Ah, the ol' human blood sacrifice. Good times.

essentialsaltes said:

Did Satan create the nonhuman apes?

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Of course not. Satan cannot create anything. He is the great liar. He can only do that which God permits. As for the blood issue I would ask you, why do we not transfuse humans with monkey blood? Or, why not pig blood if we can transplant heart valves from them? Because the blood is not the same. Once again, close but no prize. And is that very fact not the same point I was making? We stumble to the edge, gander over, but can't quite make the leap onto solid ground. It is the solid rock of Jesus that I stand.

GoldenKingGaze said:

How varied and exotic are human blood types? Considering we come from 3 men of the ark? And monkeys, how many blood types are there among them, also of the ark but not from Noah of course? There should not be a lot of variety among people.

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According to this ABC Science article , humans have 270 blood antigens belonging to over 30 blood groups. Old World monkeys and apes have been shown to have blood types which are comparable, but not identical, to human blood. With proper cross matching it seems to be theoretically possible to cross transfuse but the degree of difference makes success unlikely.

On the other hand, pigs appear to be a possibility…..

OB

Occams Barber said:

According to this ABC Science article , humans have 270 blood antigens belonging to over 30 blood groups. Old World monkeys and apes have been shown to have blood types which are comparable, but not identical, to human blood. With proper cross matching it seems to be theoretically possible to cross transfuse but the degree of difference makes success unlikely.

On the other hand, pigs appear to be a possibility…..

OB

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. They use transgenic mice with human immune systems to study HIV infections . Xenotransplantation with the pigs’ genes modified to become more like a humans . They use pigskin for burn victims too. Back in the day pig and cow insulin were used for human diabetics . Advanced surgical techniques on the heart were originally done in dogs ( that movie “Something the Lord Made” describes the life of the black man Vivien Thomas who helped invent the surgical technique that saved so called blue babies . ) The medical use of the fact of Common descent has saved a lot of lives.

By the way chimps CAN use human blood and vice versa. they just have to match ABO blood types . We are that closely related to them.

marineimaging said:

Of course not. Satan cannot create anything.

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OK, then the similarity between apes and humans is not a result of deception. It is real.

As for the blood issue I would ask you, why do we not transfuse humans with monkey blood?

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For the same reason that blood relatives are, all things being equal, better matches for organ transplants than strangers. Beings more closely related to us are better matches.

monkeys aren’t apes . There are distinct anatomical differences between monkeys and apes . Monkeys have tails . Apes (including humans) don’t. We lose them during fetal development . Monkeys have a sort of flange on their elbow which prevents them from fully straightening their arms . This is unlike apes who can fully straighten their arms and have hyper-flexible shoulder girdles for tree swinging. Apes also have wide flat chests with arms that hang to the sides for tree swinging ( go look in a mirror to see that) Monkeys have narrow pointed chests like a dogs because they walk on all fours with their weight under them and don’t have that flexibility in their shoulders

Occams Barber said:

According to this ABC Science article , humans have 270 blood antigens belonging to over 30 blood groups. Old World monkeys and apes have been shown to have blood types which are comparable, but not identical, to human blood. With proper cross matching it seems to be theoretically possible to cross transfuse but the degree of difference makes success unlikely.

On the other hand, pigs appear to be a possibility…..

OB

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I live with a seasoned medical professional and we follow such things as a matter of course. To put it into a nutshell, the only way to use animal blood in a human is to corrupt it so much that it is no longer what it was. We need it to be based on what science says, not what God created and therein lies the point I was making. "Almost there..., but no cigar."

That said, God is very clear about his feelings regarding the blood of His creation. God considers ALL blood valuable in it's own fashion. The most important, of course, being that of Jesus and how it and it alone is the only means of salvation to a lost world. There are about 40 or so mentions of blood in the Bible. One that seems more hyperbole than prophecy is that of the amount of blood that will flow during the final battle. Revelation states that the blood will be up to the horses bridles and about 180 miles long. (1 billion people could not even make a dent in that but then, how much blood is in a horse or camel. And all the sheep and rams. And all of the dogs and cats? Should we account for them too? Just wondering.)

Unless we are medical professionals or working in the medical field on ways to manipulate blood to fit into the human body and it not be rejected without pumping that body full of anti-rejection drugs, what difference does it make to a novice other than to satisfy curiosity? Well, to me, a novice, the many points about blood found in the Bible, especially one, are the most important components of our eternal salvation.

Brightmoon said:

. They use transgenic mice with human immune systems to study HIV infections . Xenotransplantation with the pigs’ genes modified to become more like a humans . They use pigskin for burn victims too. Back in the day pig and cow insulin were used for human diabetics . Advanced surgical techniques on the heart were originally done in dogs ( that movie “Something the Lord Made” describes the life of the black man Vivien Thomas who helped invent the surgical technique that saved so called blue babies . ) The medical use of the fact of Common descent has saved a lot of lives.

By the way chimps CAN use human blood and vice versa. they just have to match ABO blood types . We are that closely related to them.

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Do you know what human is alive today from the transfusion of a monkey/ape/swingee critter? I would like to study their story for my class.

marineimaging said:

Do you know what human is alive today from the transfusion of a monkey/ape/swingee critter? I would like to study their story for my class.

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Why would anyone do that when there are orders of magnitude more easily available human donors than other simians, and human-human transfusion is reliable and well-tested?

See Could Xenotransfusions Work?