The Loaded Question (Philippians 2:13)

Works of my flesh -

  • Will save me

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  • Are required in tandem with Christ to Save me

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • Are Skubala (Trash)

    Votes: 10 71.4%
  • Aren’t the best, but I don’t fornicate

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • Make me better off than unbelievers

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Are not as bad as a Serial Killer’s

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Philippians 2:13

My Works?
His Works?
Our Works?

Justification/Sanctification

Skubala ...

A Brief Word Study on Σκύβαλον | Bible.org

1. Dung, (Human) Excrement
(especially in the plural, as in Philippians 3:8); or with a stronger emotive connotation (and the concomitant shock value), crap, ****. NT: Phil 3:8* (debatable; may belong under definition 2); Other: Plu. 2.352d; Alex. Aphr. Pr. 1.18; Aret. SD1.15; Artemid. Onirocr. 1.67; 2.14; Str. 14.1.37; J. BJ 5.571; 5.13.7; PFay. 119.7 (i/ii AD).

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Are you Saved and sealed unto Salvation by your faith, in Christ, Alone?
As most of Paul's writings concerning "works" were regarding the works of the Mosaic Law, which can not save anyone, I will answer...
I will be saved at the final judgement if I endure till the end...
by faith in Christ Jesus, and nobody else...
and faith in all the ordinances laid out by God for my sanctification. ie...
Belief, confession, repentance from sin, baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost and the power therein, prayer, study, fellowship...etc.
 
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Jesus saved us 2000 years ago already having been given faith in His salvation opens our hearts to His Spirit and His Spirit transforms our minds and leads us to bring heaven down to earth. So it is not our faith that saves us but Jesus who paid our price, He saved us and my faith in Him is God's gift to me.

If Heaven doesn't come down to earth in our lives then our faith is futile and hasn't had the power to save us and we are stuck with Antichrists and false prophets.

So yes a faith without deeds is no faith at all

James 2:14-28
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.


You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.


In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
 
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What does the next verse Phil 3:9 say?

and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. 10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.”

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As most of Paul's writings concerning "works" were regarding the works of the Mosaic Law, which can not save anyone, I will answer...
I will be saved at the final judgement if I endure till the end...
by faith in Christ Jesus, and nobody else...
and faith in all the ordinances laid out by God for my sanctification. ie...
Belief, confession, repentance from sin, baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost and the power therein, prayer, study, fellowship...etc.

I will be saved at the final judgement if I endure till the end...

People always take that verse out of context for some reason. It's about the tribulation....not salvation.

Saved from what?
Endure what?
To the end of what?
 
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I will be saved at the final judgement if I endure till the end...

People always take that verse out of context for some reason. It's about the tribulation....not salvation.

Saved from what?
Endure what?
To the end of what?
It was a "loaded question" that I answered...
Saved from destruction /second death.
Endure trials, tribulations, temptations, testings.
To the end of my life on earth.
 
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It was a "loaded question" that I answered...
Saved from destruction /second death.
Endure trials, tribulations, temptations, testings.
To the end of my life on earth.
This would mean you don't even know if you're saved now.
 
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It was a "loaded question" that I answered...
Saved from destruction /second death.
Endure trials, tribulations, temptations, testings.
To the end of my life on earth.

If I told you your Faith in Christ declares you saved and sealed (Ephesians 1:13 ; Romans 8:9) would you be offended?
 
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"Are you Saved and sealed unto Salvation by your faith, in Christ, Alone?"

No.

I am saved by God's mercy, regeneration, Holy Spirit renewal (Titus 3:5) & grace through faith (Eph 2:8-10) in the One Person in Whom salvation alone is found, given to us as a gift from God. (Acts 4:12).
 
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No.

I am saved by God's mercy, regeneration, Holy Spirit renewal (Titus 3:5) & grace through faith (Eph 2:8-10) in the One Person in Whom salvation alone is found, given to us as a gift from God. (Acts 4:12).

Show Off!!! :p :D

Well said!!! :oldthumbsup:
 
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If I told you your Faith in Christ declares you saved and sealed (Ephesians 1:13 ; Romans 8:9) would you be offended?
No one bit.
Now it is up to me to remain faithful, as the devil, as a roaring lion, waits at the edge of camp to devour the weak and lazy.
 
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No one bit.
Now it is up to me to remain faithful, as the devil, as a roaring lion, waits at the edge of camp to devour the weak and lazy.

Understood!!! :D

Is there a verse that offers you hope if your faith slips...

Whispering... hint... Post #4
 
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This would mean you don't even know if you're saved now.
I might confidently say that I am saved right now, but if my demeanor were to change...my confidence will have been a lie.
That would then mean you need to be re-baptized for the remission of sins you did between your baptism and now.
I would only need to be baptized again if my repentance from sin were a lie.
It isn't, so I have no need for constant recrucifixion of Christ Jesus. (Heb 6:6)
 
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