Sola Fide (Faith Alone) Sets the Record Straight

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So once you realize something is wrong you don’t do it anymore? Is there some type of system or is if different for everybody as to what living in sin is and what it isn’t?
We know what is Sinful..it violates Godly love.
When we have the holy Spirit its promised that he does not speak of himself but he takes from JESUS and gives it to us.
And its promised that " he will lead you into all Truth"
Being lead into all truth exposes lies.

Walking as a new creation in christ JESUS has never been about keeping a set of rules of law..
The new creation has been freed and cleansed from sin.
Now our imperfect minds need to be renewed.. Reprogrammed, if you will.
To learn to walk and live in this new life we are now in .
So as we love God he , by his holy spirit is telling you , me , us... This is the way, walk in IT...

The heart that loves him..gets to know his voice and follows his leading.. And he knows who they are and they continually transforming into the image of Christ .
The heart that pretends to love him .does not know his voice and does not listen obey or follows him..and He will say to them . depart from me I DO not know you.

The system is ..Love

We love him so we are always seeking to please him and he is seeking to aid guide and help us.. Its a love relationship :)
 
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Non sequitur.

I understand that God is not pleased by any level of disobedience or any kind of sin, but God's Word teaches that there minor transgressions or faults of character that will not condemn us. If this was not the case, we would all be doomed. Also, I provided a list of verses that show this reality or fact. You attempted to argue against the words of the verses I showed you, but you cannot see that you are actually altering the text to fit your own personal view or belief here, friend.
 
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Now after these events Paul resolved in the Spirit to pass through Macedonia and Achaia and go to Jerusalem, saying, “After I have been there, I must also see Rome

While Modern Translations can be helpful sometimes in updating the 1600's English, the King James existed hundreds of years long before the Modern Translations came on to the scene. I also believe that the KJV is the divinely inspired perfect Word of God for our day. So it is my final word of authority. For not all bibles say the same thing. One has to choose one as the perfect Word of God. If not, they can make the Bible say what they want it to say by quoting many different translations.
 
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To All Who Will Hear:

Another poster here said:

"Walking as a new creation in christ JESUS has never been about
keeping a set of rules of law."

This is inaccurate. Jesus said,

"if you love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15).​

Jesus also said:

10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full." (John 15:10-11).

Paul says:

1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." (Romans 12:1-2).

"For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:" (1 Thessalonians 4:3).

"He that is of God heareth God's words" (John 8:47).
 
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I understand that God is not pleased by any level of disobedience or any kind of sin, but God's Word teaches that there minor transgressions or faults of character that will not condemn us. If this was not the case, we would all be doomed. Also, I provided a list of verses that show this reality or fact. You attempted to argue against the words of the verses I showed you, but you cannot see that you are actually altering the text to fit your own personal view or belief here, friend.
What did your answer have to do with my post stating sin never came between Paul and God's favor? Sin remained even though he obeyed in confessing it and asked to be cleansed from all unrighteousness. Obviously his prayer was considered that which made him sinless, not the actual removal of that sin.
 
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While Modern Translations can be helpful sometimes in updating the 1600's English, the King James existed hundreds of years long before the Modern Translations came on to the scene. I also believe that the KJV is the divinely inspired perfect Word of God for our day. So it is my final word of authority. For not all bibles say the same thing. One has to choose one as the perfect Word of God. If not, they can make the Bible say what they want it to say by quoting many different translations.
Because you say so. I guess that settles it. We can ignore the scholarship of the majority of students of the Bible then...
 
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What did your answer have to do with my post stating sin never came between Paul and God's favor? Sin remained even though he obeyed in confessing it and asked to be cleansed from all unrighteousness. Obviously his prayer was considered that which made him sinless, not the actual removal of that sin.

What sin are you talking about?
 
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Because you say so. I guess that settles it. We can ignore the scholarship of the majority of students of the Bible then...

Jesus said beware of the scribes. The scribes are those who tran-Scribe the Scriptures.
 
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Then how do you explain 2 Timothy 3:1-9?
It doesn't sound like.... "In the last days perilous times will come, men shall not have faith in the finished work of Christ. They will uplift holiness, and righteousness, but they will be condemned, etc.

The last days (the church age) if what, is read closely especially verse 9 (they will progress no further) what does this mean, is Paul saying they having a form of godliness but denying its power. Sounds like he is speaking of progressing in the faith, possibly to more maturity. That the 19 characteristics of the people he list will not make.

Before this chapter 3, in chapter 2 Paul speaks of:
But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor.

This is an example of the family of God and some believers have be taken captive by the devil to do his will (the some of dishonor).

How does Paul say a believer escape this trap of the devil, by repentance.

Nothing in these chapters 2 or 3 hit at a believer loosing their salvation because of sin in their lives.

Simply Paul is describing what believers will be like in the church age, and for me he nails it to a tee.

The outer darkness is an place in heaven, where disobedient believers end up.
 
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What sin are you talking about?
What does it matter? Any sin. I said your answer was irrelevant, a non sequitur because it didn't move forward the discussion.

I argued that a bad deed or habit does not separate us from God. Faith in God demonstrated by confessing and pleading for cleansing overcomes it. You replied:

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I agree that we can please God by obedience. But like I said before, not all sin condemns one to hell. There are grievous sins that the Bible clearly mentions as condemning us, and there are minor transgressions that do not condemn.


You are bringing up stuff which does not defeat my statement.
 
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Faith alone in our relationship with God is true, but justification by faith alone is false.
First, justification by faith alone directly contradicts the teaching of James that we are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). Note that James is not saying that we are not justified by faith, he just throw in another element.

Secondly, in the New Testament, we find justification by grace, by faith, by works, and by the blood of Christ. Therefore, justification by faith alone is false.

The problem: Justification means different things to different people. From a given meaning, one extrapolates and because the Bible is very sensitive to initial meanings, different gospels are created from different meanings - the butterfly effect takes hold.
Justification is through faith alone apart from your works. Romans 3:24 speaks of Gods grace in the redemptive work of Christ that justifies and saves. This is what faith lays hold of. See all three apart from your works! Faith rest in the merits of Christ rather than ones own merits of works as the basis for justification. All of grace! Sovereign grace! Romans 3:20-23 and Romans 4: 4-5 Ephesians 2:8-10 also expresses this truth. James just speaks against a fruitless profession of faith.
 
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What does it matter? Any sin. I said your answer was irrelevant, a non sequitur because it didn't move forward the discussion.

I argued that a bad deed or habit does not separate us from God. Faith in God demonstrated by confessing and pleading for cleansing overcomes it. You replied:

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I agree that we can please God by obedience. But like I said before, not all sin condemns one to hell. There are grievous sins that the Bible clearly mentions as condemning us, and there are minor transgressions that do not condemn.


You are bringing up stuff which does not defeat my statement.

So you believe that if a Christian was to look at inappropriate content, they would be saved while doing so?
What if a believer became a inappropriate content star for 6 months? But they later decided to seek forgiveness over this with the Lord and put away being a inappropriate content star? Were they saved while they were a inappropriate content star?

This is the problem with Belief Alone-ism. The answer has to be... "yes" they were saved as a inappropriate content star if a Christian is truly saved based by a Belief Alone in Jesus.

So if that is the case, then they can always be a inappropriate content star and be saved by having a belief on Jesus. But this is simply not what the Bible teaches. Believers cannot abide in grievous sins (like sexual immorality, lying, murder, hate, etc.) and still be saved. It doesn't work like that (See Jude 1:4, and 2 Peter 2:1, and 2 Peter 2:14).
 
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Justification is through faith alone apart from your works. Romans 3:24 speaks of Gods grace in the redemptive work of Christ that justifies and saves. This is what faith lays hold of. See all three apart from your works! Faith rest in the merits of Christ rather than ones own merits of works as the basis for justification. All of grace! Sovereign grace! Romans 3:20-23 and Romans 4: 4-5 Ephesians 2:8-10 also expresses this truth. James just speaks against a fruitless profession of faith.

But if one is saved by God's grace through faith, then one should be able to be fruitless and still be saved. If works in no way plays a part in salvation, then no works should be needed at all. But lets say that you think that a believer needs to have some good works, and they can also do evil works and still be saved. This does not work in light of Jesus's words in Matthew 7:23. Jesus says to those believers who did wonderful works to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity (or sin). Knowing God is keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3-4). If one partially keeps His essential commandments, they are not really keeping His essential commandments. So if a person hates or lusts, and yet they live holy in other areas of their life, they are breaking God's laws of love in loving God and loving their neighbor still. This is why Jesus condemned the Pharisees. They were being hypocritical in regards to God's laws.
 
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If i meet a person on a road/sidewalk, etc... and they ask me how do i go to heaven. I do not need to know their past or their future life.
I just tell them that Jesus of the Bible/New Testament is the promised Messiah/Son of God from the Old Testament prophecies and that if you believe that, then trust in The Messiah for the gift (to you) of His eternal life. Because anyone who trust in The Messiah for eternal life will be given eternal life, that is a promise from God, Jesus and The Bible.
Now you have eternal life, go and grow in your walk and knowledge of God. So you will have a good judgment at the judgment seat of Christ and have rewards waiting for you in heaven. Repent when you sin (and you will sin) but just continue with your daily struggle in this life to grow in your life.

I can go my way knowing that i have correctly told them how to have eternal life / go to heaven.
 
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So you believe that if a Christian was to look at inappropriate content, they would be saved while doing so?
What if a believer became a inappropriate content star for 6 months? But they later decided to seek forgiveness over this with the Lord and put away being a inappropriate content star? Were they saved while they were a inappropriate content star?

This is the problem with Belief Alone-ism. The answer has to be... "yes" they were saved as a inappropriate content star if a Christian is truly saved based by a Belief Alone in Jesus.

So if that is the case, then they can always be a inappropriate content star and be saved by having a belief on Jesus. But this is simply not what the Bible teaches. Believers cannot abide in grievous sins (like sexual immorality, lying, murder, hate, etc.) and still be saved. It doesn't work like that (See Jude 1:4, and 2 Peter 2:1, and 2 Peter 2:14).

One must understand all have beams... that they do not focus on the specks of others.
 
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But if one is saved by God's grace through faith, then one should be able to be fruitless and still be saved. If works in no way plays a part in salvation, then no works should be needed at all. But lets say that you think that a believer needs to have some good works, and they can also do evil works and still be saved. This does not work in light of Jesus's words in Matthew 7:23. Jesus says to those believers who did wonderful works to depart from Him because they also worked iniquity (or sin). Knowing God is keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3-4). If one partially keeps His essential commandments, they are not really keeping His essential commandments. So if a person hates or lusts, and yet they live holy in other areas of their life, they are breaking God's laws of love in loving God and loving their neighbor still. This is why Jesus condemned the Pharisees. They were being hypocritical in regards to God's laws.
Sorry Jason your works plays no part towards your justification before God. This debate goes round and round. The fact that you think it does shows you lack repentance and faith in the gospel. When you’re being told that Christ and His merits alone must be believed upon for salvation, you quickly resort back to your works as justification before God. Knowingly that ones fruit is the result of being saved. This is exactly why Rome anathematized the reformed doctrine of sola fide. To puffed up in their superstition and idolatrous traditions they will not submit to the righteousness of Christ. Much like Rome you fight against the gospel of grace
 
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Sorry Jason your works plays no part towards your justification before God. This debate goes round and round. The fact that you think it does shows you lack repentance and faith in the gospel. When you’re being told that Christ and His merits alone must be believed upon for salvation, you quickly resort back to your works as justification before God. Knowingly that ones fruit is the result of being saved. This is exactly why Rome anathematized the reformed doctrine of sola fide. To puffed up in their superstition and idolatrous traditions they will not submit to the righteousness of Christ. Much like Rome you fight against the gospel of grace

Complimenting what you are saying, here.

Many people miss that James starts off speaking about holding firm to the Faith, to the 12 Tribes.

Obviously Judaizing was a threat to the Jewish assembly of Christians.

To speak to the importance of Faith Alone, James begins to boast that His Faith Alone, produces superior Works, because first and foremost his works are Christ’s works imparted as His Justification, Atonement And Propitiation.

James goes a step further and boasts of the Works God does through Him, because of his faith.

The Judaizers wanted people to look back to their flesh and used such logic to entice the Jewish Law keeping mentality.

James appeals to the working of the Holy Spirit within Him and his new, Holy Spirit driven Heart / drive to Love others as Christ Loves him.

People seem to miss that sincere works of humility that are rooted in Faith Alone, are pure before Gods eyes, not as Justifying, Atoning, Propitiating or Sanctifying Acts... but as Pure Religion, undefiled (By Pride And Self Righteousness) that flows from the Heart of Grace, Compassion, Non-Carnal-Judgment and Gratitude to God, Born Of unmerited favor bestowed, that flows from the Unconditional Love Of God.

Acts of Selfish desire to justify oneself before God, in-place of God... perpetually tick God Off!

We see this here... as three amazing examples... (Matthew 23 ; Isaiah 1:14 ; Amos 5:21)
 
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I will also add, I have seen a few times the sin unto death mentioned.
That is not a sin committed by a believer, that when they commit this sin God send them to hell.
It is a sin committed by a believer where God ends the earthly live of the believer removing them from the earth taking them to heaven and ending their chance for further rewards given at the judgment seat of Christ.
 
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Complimenting what you are saying, here.

Many people miss that James starts off speaking about holding firm to the Faith, to the 12 Tribes.

Obviously Judaizing was a threat to the Jewish assembly of Christians.

To speak to the importance of Faith Alone, James begins to boast that His Faith Alone, produces superior Works, because first and foremost his works are Christ’s works imparted as His Justification, Atonement And Propitiation.

James goes a step further and boasts of the Works God does through Him, because of his faith.

The Judaizers wanted people to look back to their flesh and used such logic to entice the Jewish Law keeping mentality.

James appeals to the working of the Holy Spirit within Him and his new, Holy Spirit driven Heart / drive to Love others as Christ Loves him.

People seem to miss that sincere works of humility that are rooted in Faith Alone, are pure before Gods eyes, not as Justifying, Atoning, Propitiating or Sanctifying Acts... but as Pure Religion, undefiled (By Pride And Self Righteousness) that flows from the Heart of Grace, Compassion, Non-Carnal-Judgment and Gratitude to God, Born Of unmerited favor bestowed, that flows from the Unconditional Love Of God.

Acts of Selfish desire to justify oneself before God, in-place of God... perpetually tick God Off!

We see this here... as three amazing examples... (Matthew 23 ; Isaiah 1:14 ; Amos 5:21)
I’m really curious how people ended up on opposite sides in this debate.
 
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I will also add, I have seen a few times the sin unto death mentioned.
That is not a sin committed by a believer, that when they commit this sin God send them to hell.
It is a sin committed by a believer where God ends the earthly live of the believer removing them from the earth taking them to heaven and ending their chance for further rewards given at the judgment seat of Christ.

I Understand what you are saying here. I will add that we do not stand to be judged at the judgment seat, IMO, but to possibly see eternal fruit bear from within people that died outside of Christ ... that may rise to final judgment, having the right seed God used us to plant, take root in their heart, and cause them to confess Christ, in place of self.

There is only one Sin that can condemn a human being now, by Christ’s words to the Pharisees... and it is “Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit”... which indeed is filed under UNBELIEF.

In this sense... how can an Believer “Unbelieve”? :)
 
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