I believe we are entering the time soon

keras · Jun 5, 2019

Douggg said:
No, they are a match.

Your belief that the moon shining as bright as the sun, Isaiah 30:26a and blood red; Joel 2:31, Revelation 6:12b, at the Sixth Seal; is the same as the moon will not give her light, Matthew 24:29, just puts all what you say into question.

Three valid reasons that the Sixth Seal is not at the Return;
1/ A scroll cannot be unrolled until the seals are opened.
2/ The sequence of Revelation is plainly stated and we are told to not mess with it.
3/ The descriptions of the glorious Return do not say Jesus will come in vengeance and wrath. He will simply dispose of the attacking armies by the Sword of His Word and chain up Satan.

Douggg · Jun 5, 2019

keras said:
Your belief that the moon shining as bright as the sun, Isaiah 30:26a and blood red; Joel 2:31, Revelation 6:12b, at the Sixth Seal; is the same as the moon will not give her light, Matthew 24:29, just puts all what you say into question.

You are mixing a lot of things up. If you look at my chart
the events of Revelation 6, the sixth seal, takes place on Day 2475 of the 7 years. I show how I get that Day. It ihappens 45 days before Jesus descends to earth from heaven.

During that 45 days, the kings of the earth gather their armies and prepare to make war on Jesus.

At the end of the 45 days, Jesus comes. He himself in brightness as he descends down to earth; the moon and sun will grow bright in concert with his coming, Isaiah 30:26. And if you read Isaiah 30:26, and the verses that follow, it indicates that Jesus in coming in vengeance against them who have hurt his people.

3/ The descriptions of the glorious Return do not say Jesus will come in vengeance and wrath. He will simply dispose of the attacking armies by the Sword of His Word and chain up Satan.

When Jesus comes from heaven down to earth, his garments are drenched in blood, which is the blood of the martyred saints. Jesus is coming in vengeance against the evil men of the world, and them who have martyred and persecuted the saints.

Revelaton 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Three valid reasons that the Sixth Seal is not at the Return;
1/ A scroll cannot be unrolled until the seals are opened.
2/ The sequence of Revelation is plainly stated and we are told to not mess with it.

I have no idea of what you are trying to say in 1/ . All of the seals have been opened or else John would not have be able to know the contents. Which John recorded and passed on to us.

Revelation 22:10 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Regarding 2/, here is what the bible actually states...

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

keras · Jun 6, 2019

Douggg said:
You are mixing a lot of things up. If you look at my chart

Your chart does not compare with what the prophets said.
Your 45 day idea is not found in the Bible.

Douggg said:
When Jesus comes from heaven down to earth, his garments are drenched in blood, which is the blood of the martyred saints. Jesus is coming in vengeance against the evil men of the world, and them who have martyred and persecuted the saints.

Totally wrong. Why would Jesus soak in the blood of the martyrs?
We know exactly when and where Jesus got splashed with the blood of His enemies; Isaiah 63:1-6, which is another description of the Sixth Seal punishment of the nations.

Douggg said:
All of the seals have been opened or else John would not have be able to know the contents.

I agree that the first five Seals were opened by Jesus in the 1st century. But the effects of the Sixth Seal have never yet happened, especially the cosmic events.

The curse of Revelation 22:19 applies to those who shuffle the events, because doing that is a violation of scripture.

Douggg · Jun 6, 2019

keras said:
Your chart does not compare with what the prophets said.
Your 45 day idea is not found in the Bible.

45 days is not directly found in the text of the bible. I explained on my chart what I base the 45 days on.

Totally wrong. Why would Jesus soak in the blood of the martyrs?

Jesus's garments dipped in the blood of the saints is a sign of His coming in judgment on them that dwell on the earth. Jesus will be returning to earth in wrath, against them who have persecuted and martyred the saints. Called the wrath of the Lamb in Revelation 6:16-17.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

I agree that the first five Seals were opened by Jesus in the 1st century. But the effects of the Sixth Seal have never yet happened, especially the cosmic events.

None of the events of the seals have taken place yet, not just the sixth seal.

The curse of Revelation 22:19 applies to those who shuffle the events, because doing that is a violation of scripture.

It seems to me that you are adding "shuffle the events" to the text.

Here is what it says. Where in this text are you reading "shuffle the events" ?

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Seville90210 · Jun 6, 2019

Douggg said:
You are claiming the false prophet is the muslim Jesus.

One of the ten commandments is not to worship idols. Exodus 20:3-5.

The false prophet breaks that commandment big time. So how can the muslims pass the false prophet off as Jesus - something Jesus would do?

Revelation 13:
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Douggg, are you half asleep half the time when reading the bible? C'mon Douggg, wake up and smell the coffee.

The false prophet is not a Christian and can care less what the bible says. He'll not just break one of the 10 commandments, he'll likely break them all and tell people they've mistook the bible. And Muslims don't know the bible. How much of the Quran do you know?

Do you follow me so far? Only Christians know the commandments, not Muslims or atheists.

My tone of voice is a little abrupt this morning after reading some of the BS in your recent replies to Keras. You need to stop making things up trying to rewrite the bible just to win an argument.

Jesus said what profits a man if he gains the world but loses his soul (Mark 8:36). It's better to be an atheist not knowing God but is seeking the truth than a Christian who knows God but denies the truth. So far, you're denying the truth but only gained a big ego. Not a smart investment I would add.

Douggg said:
You "say" anything. But it's not in the bible.

You don't have bible verses to back up your claim.

I've given a lot of verses so far in posts #107 and #112. I've also given you Daniel 9:26, a verse that completely refutes your Jewish false Messiah theory, however it just keeps going over your head. You haven't grasp this yet you want more?

Douggg said:
Look at my chart again... Day 1260. I don't say the two witnesses prophesy 1185 days, but 1260 days. (use can use ctrl + to zoom in)

"end of the two witnesses 1260 days of testimony
(Revelation 11:3)
View attachment 257715

Look at what you wrote in red to the right of Day 1185.

It says: The two witnesses battle the beast as the Jews begin to flee out of Judea (Jerusalem) - martyring begins

The two witnesses don't fight the a/c and give their testimony at the same time between the 1185th day up to the 1260th day. That's not in the bible.

Revelation 11:3 NKJV
And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."

Revelation 11:7 NKJV
When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.

Seville90210 · Jun 6, 2019

Douggg said:
Where are you reading in the bible that Jesus will appear to non-Christians (muslims) to have only one eye?

What I am telling you over and over is that there is no one in the bible to play the role of the dajjal. No one, not Jesus, not anyone.

Douggg, put on your thinking cap for a moment. The bible said that Jesus was
crucified. Do you know how crucifixion worked in the first century? Before they nailed Jesus to the Christ, He was brutally beaten to death, sheer torture and agony.

Read about it here. It's gruesome the more you read about it.

A Physician's View of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ
WARNING: MATERIAL IN THIS ARTICLE MAY BE UNSUITABLE FOR YOUNGER CHILDREN. PARENTAL DISCRETION IS ADVISED.

A Physician's View of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ

These are photos of Jesus from the movie The Passion of the Christ. Why don't you ask them where they got the idea of Jesus having one eye. It's logical to believe Christ was also wiped and beaten in the face during His crucifixion.

From the photos, you can see His right eye appears injured. The 3rd photo shows His eye protruding. Muslims claim the Dajjal is blind in His right eye will look like it's bulging out like a grape.

If you're still gonna tell me the bible doesn't say Jesus had one eye, I can tell you the bible also did not record Jesus bleeding during His ordeal the entire time. Check for yourself, it's not there. The only time it mentions Jesus bleeding was after He had already died and the soldier speared Him. You can't have a crucifixion without the shedding of blood. It doesn't take a PHD to figure this out. Just because the bible didn't record it doesn't mean it didn't happen. The bible teaches Jesus shed His blood for us elsewhere in the bible.

John 19:34 New King James Version (NKJV)
But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/bukhari/bh4/bh4_652.htm

Hadith 4:649

The Prophet mentioned the Massiah Ad-Dajjal in front of the people saying, Allah is not one eyed while Messsiah, Ad-Dajjal is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a bulging out grape.

Another uncanny parallel between Jesus and the Dajjal.

Douggg · Jun 6, 2019

Seville90210 said:
The false prophet is not a Christian and can care less what the bible says. He'll not just break one of the 10 commandments, he'll likely break them all and tell people they've mistook the bible. And Muslims don't know the bible. How much of the Quran do you know?

You are claiming the False Prophet will be the Muslim Jesus - Isa. But the False Prophet has the peoples of the world make an image, an idol, of the first beast - something Jesus would never do. Therefore, your claim is invalidated. No-one will believe the False Prophet person is Jesus.

Not only that, in Islam, worshiping idols is a major sin. That's why you don't see figures or illustrations of animals in Muslim architectural treatments, and instead see geometric designs of intricate patterns. So no muslim, whether Muslim Isa, or any muslim is going to have the world make an idol - because to do so is a major violation of their religion.

There are no bible figures to play the role of the muslim dajjal, nor the muslim Jesus - Isa. The muslim made up Mahdi figure even doesn't fit the biblical Antichrist, because to be the Antichrist the person has to be anointed the King of Israel. Which to become the King of Israel, embraced as such by the Jews requires the person to be a Jew and his religion cannot be Islam.

Seville90210 said:
I've given a lot of verses so far in posts #107 and #112. I've also given you Daniel 9:26, a verse that completely refutes your Jewish false Messiah theory, however it just keeps going over your head. You haven't grasp this yet you want more?

You have given no bible verses for the specific claims you have made - I have ask you for.

Seville90210 said:
The two witnesses don't fight the a/c and give their testimony at the same time between the 1185th day up to the 1260th day. That's not in the bible.

The person when he makes war on the two witnesses is the beast, in the text. It doesn't say Antichrist.

The two witnesses will be near the end of their 1260 days testimony and prophesy time, when the person will have become the beast.

The beast makes war against the two witnesses because of their testimony against him.

And because the two witnesses will have prophesied against him, earlier, while he was in the role of being the Antichrist, the King of Israel, but non-rightful king because he comes in his own name.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Douggg · Jun 6, 2019

Seville90210 said:
Douggg, put on your thinking cap for a moment. The bible said that Jesus was
crucified. Do you know how crucifixion worked in the first century? Before they nailed Jesus to the Christ, He was brutally beaten to death, sheer torture and agony.

The dajjal is a muslim eschatology end times figure. You are claiming the muslim dajjal end times figure will be the real Jesus.

I repeat. Where are you reading in the bible that Jesus will appear to non-Christians (muslims) to have only one eye, or bulging like a grape eye?

Seville90210 · Jun 7, 2019

Douggg said:
You are claiming the False Prophet will be the Muslim Jesus - Isa. But the False Prophet has the peoples of the world make an image, an idol, of the first beast - something Jesus would never do. Therefore, your claim is invalidated. No-one will believe the False Prophet person is Jesus.

Not only that, in Islam, worshiping idols is a major sin. That's why you don't see figures or illustrations of animals in Muslim architectural treatments, and instead see geometric designs of intricate patterns. So no muslim, whether Muslim Isa, or any muslim is going to have the world make an idol - because to do so is a major violation of their religion.

It's your interpretation that's in error. You're using the most common definition of what an idol is, but there's more. Douggg, do you have any idea what an idol is in the bible? It's not just a golden calf or a wooden figurine of some animal. Pretty much every church in the world has an idol. Even your avatar has an idol in it, hypocrite. Now stop sounding so ignorant. It tells me you have nothing intelligent in your argument. And read what it says. But first put on your thinking cap and read it slowly.

Let me know when you get it.

Revelation 13:14-15 NKJV
14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Douggg said:
You have given no bible verses for the specific claims you have made - I have ask you for.

Daniel 9:26 NKJV
"And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:26 NKJV
26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:26 NKJV
26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

New International Version
After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

New Living Translation
“After this period of sixty-two sets of seven, the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end.

English Standard Version
And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

Berean Study Bible
Then after the sixty-two weeks, the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed.

New American Standard Bible
"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

King James Bible
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Christian Standard Bible
After those sixty-two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming ruler will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.

Contemporary English Version
At the end of the 62 weeks, the Chosen Leader will be killed and left with nothing. A foreign ruler and his army will sweep down like a mighty flood, leaving both the city and the temple in ruins, and war and destruction will continue until the end, just as God has decided.

Good News Translation
And at the end of that time God's chosen leader will be killed unjustly. The city and the Temple will be destroyed by the invading army of a powerful ruler. The end will come like a flood, bringing the war and destruction which God has prepared.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.

International Standard Version
Then after the 62 weeks, the anointed one will be cut down (but not for himself). Then the people of the Coming Commander will destroy both the city and the Sanctuary. Its ending will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war, with desolations having been decreed.

NET Bible
Now after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one will be cut off and have nothing. As for the city and the sanctuary, the people of the coming prince will destroy them. But his end will come speedily like a flood. Until the end of the war that has been decreed there will be destruction.

New Heart English Bible
After the sixty-two weeks an anointed one shall be cut off, and shall have nothing: and the people of the prince who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and his end shall come with a flood, and until the end there shall be war; desolations are decreed.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
But after the sixty-two sets of seven time periods, the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing. The city and the holy place will be destroyed with the prince who is to come. His end will come with a flood until the end of the destructive war that has been determined.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And after the threescore and two weeks shall an anointed one be cut off, and be no more; and the people of a prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; but his end shall be with a flood; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

New American Standard 1977
“Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And after the sixty-two weeks the Anointed One {Heb. Messiah} shall be killed and shall have nothing: (and the ruling people that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; whose end shall be as a flood, until at the end of the war it shall be cut off with desolation).

King James 2000 Bible
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and its end shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

American King James Version
And after three score and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and to the end of the war desolations are determined.

American Standard Version
And after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off, and shall have nothing: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the cityto desolations.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And after sixty-two weeks Christ shall be slain: and the people that shall deny him shall not be his. And a people with their leader that shall come, shall destroy the city and the sanctuary: and the end thereof shall be waste, and after the end of the war the appointed desolation.

Darby Bible Translation
And after the sixty-two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, and shall have nothing; and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with an overflow, and unto the end, war, -- the desolations determined.

English Revised Version
And after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off, and shall have nothing: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and his end shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined.

Webster's Bible Translation
And after sixty and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and its end shall be with a flood, and to the end of the war desolations are determined.

World English Bible
After the sixty-two weeks the Anointed One shall be cut off, and shall have nothing: and the people of the prince who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and its end shall be with a flood, and even to the end shall be war; desolations are determined.

Young's Literal Translation
And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations.

Let me know when you get it. Enjoy the video.

Douggg said:
There are no bible figures to play the role of the muslim dajjal, nor the muslim Jesus - Isa. The muslim made up Mahdi figure even doesn't fit the biblical Antichrist, because to be the Antichrist the person has to be anointed the King of Israel. Which to become the King of Israel, embraced as such by the Jews requires the person to be a Jew and his religion cannot be Islam.

You have given no bible verses for the specific claims you have made - I have ask you for.

Let me know when you get it.

Douggg said:
The person when he makes war on the two witnesses is the beast, in the text. It doesn't say Antichrist.

I think you're running out of ammunition if you need to make an issue over such frivolous topic. Everyone knows the beast is just another name for the antichrist.

It's more accurate to use name antichrist since the bible speaks of the beast from the earth, the beast from the bottomless pit and another beast from the earth as well. Do you know which is which?

Douggg said:
The beast makes war against the two witnesses because of their testimony against him.

This is laughable. The bible does not claim the two witnesses will prophesied against the antichrist.

You have given no bible verses for the specific claims you have made - I have ask you for.

Let me know when you get it.

Douggg said:
And because the two witnesses will have prophesied against him, earlier, while he was in the role of being the Antichrist, the King of Israel, but non-rightful king because he comes in his own name.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

That's not what Revelation 11:3 is telling us. You really should stop posting Douggg as you're coming across as someone clueless of what he reads. In addition to shuffling scriptures, you're adding to the verses.

Seville90210 · Jun 7, 2019

Douggg said:
The dajjal is a muslim eschatology end times figure. You are claiming the muslim dajjal end times figure will be the real Jesus.

I repeat. Where are you reading in the bible that Jesus will appear to non-Christians (muslims) to have only one eye, or bulging like a grape eye?

Unlike your eschatology that claims Islam will be eliminated before the beginning of the 70th week, Muslims plays a major role during the final 7 years of the tribulation. The wrath of God begins at the middle of the tribulation during the AoD and Jerusalem is the first city God plans to destroy. After Jerusalem and Israel is destroyed, all the cities and countries that follow are Muslims in the Middle East.

From verses 19 to 26, they are all Muslims nations and people in the Middle East, not Europeans and not countries in the EU as you love to promote.

If the a/c comes out of a revived Roman empire from the EU, show us all which countries in the EU wants to destroy Israel?

Your move Douggg!

Jeremiah 25:15-29 ESV
15 Thus the LORD, the God of Israel, said to me: "Take from my hand this cup of the wine of wrath, and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it.
16 They shall drink and stagger and be crazed because of the sword that I am sending among them."
17 So I took the cup from the LORD's hand, and made all the nations to whom the LORD sent me drink it:
18 Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, its kings and officials, to make them a desolation and a waste, a hissing and a curse, as at this day;
19 Pharaoh king of Egypt, his servants, his officials, all his people,
20 and all the mixed tribes among them; all the kings of the land of Uz and all the kings of the land of the Philistines (Ashkelon, Gaza, Ekron, and the remnant ofAshdod);
21 Edom, Moab, and the sons of Ammon;
22 all the kings of Tyre, all the kings ofSidon, and the kings of the coastland across the sea;
23 Dedan, Tema, Buz, and all who cutthe corners of their hair;
24 all the kings of Arabia and all the kings of the mixed tribes who dwell in the desert;
25 all the kings of Zimri, all the kings of Elam, and all the kings of Media;
26 all the kings of the north, far and near, one after another, and all the kingdoms of the world that are on the face of the earth. And after them the king of Babylon shall drink.
27 "Then you shall say to them, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Drink, be drunk and vomit, fall and rise no more, because of the sword that I am sending among you.'
28 "And if they refuse to accept the cup from your hand to drink, then you shall say to them, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts: You must drink!
29 For behold, I begin to work disaster at the city that is called by my name, and shall you go unpunished? You shall not go unpunished, for I am summoning a sword against all the inhabitants of the earth, declares the LORD of hosts.'

I showed you where in the Quran where Muslims will see a one-eyed Jesus (Real Jesus). Now show me where I said the bible teaches Muslims will see Jesus with one eye?

Seville90210 · Jun 7, 2019

Douggg said:
Jesus's garments dipped in the blood of the saints is a sign of His coming in judgment on them that dwell on the earth. Jesus will be returning to earth in wrath, against them who have persecuted and martyred the saints. Called the wrath of the Lamb in Revelation 6:16-17.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Douggg, you're wrong! Jesus' robe dipped in blood in Revelation 19:13 is from Isaiah 63:1-6 just as Keras said. It's concrete evidence from the bible Jesus was on earth prior to Revelation 19 already executing God's wrath.

And there's more evidence of this in other parts of the bible.

Isaiah 63:1-6 NKJV
1 Who is this who comes from Edom, With dyed garments from Bozrah, This One who is glorious in His apparel, Traveling in the greatness of His strength?-- "I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save."
2 Why is Your apparel red, And Your garments like one who treads in the winepress?
3 "I have trodden the winepress alone, And from the peoples no one was with Me. For I have trodden them in My anger, And trampled them in My fury; Their blood is sprinkled upon My garments, And I have stained all My robes.
4 For the day of vengeance is in My heart, And the year of My redeemed has come.
5 I looked, but there was no one to help, And I wondered That there was no one to uphold; Therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me; And My own fury, it sustained Me.
6 I have trodden down the peoples in My anger, Made them drunk in My fury, And brought down their strength to the earth."

Douggg · Jun 7, 2019

Seville90210 said:
It's your interpretation that's in error. You're using the most common definition of what an idol is, but there's more.

I quoted right from the bible, the ten commandments, God's prohibition against worshipping idols.

The specific idol I referenced was the image of the beast. Which you claim that the False Prophet is the muslim Jesus - Isa, who has the peoples of the world make. It is a ridiculous claim because Jesus would never have the world make an idol to worship. Therefore, your claim is invalid.

The False Prophet makes fire come down from heaven; therefore it is more in tune that he will claim to be Elijah, not Jesus.

Daniel 9:26 NKJV
"And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Why are you copying and pasting Daniel 9:26, all the different translations thereof, other than to take up space? It is not a response to any of the questions I have been asking you.

I repeat. Where are you reading in the bible that Jesus will appear to non-Christians (muslims) to have only one eye, or bulging like a grape eye? You have made a claim of that is how the muslims will see Jesus, to think he is the dajjal.

Let me know when you get it. Enjoy the video.

The video is in error, as I have explained to you aready why the speaker in the video is wrong.

A person can be a Jew - and be a citizen of another nation other than Israel.

I think you're running out of ammunition if you need to make an issue over such frivolous topic. Everyone knows the beast is just another name for the antichrist.

Same person, but different role. Being the Antichrist is being the King of Israel, unapproved by God though. Being the beast is being the King of the Roman Empire.

For example, do you think President of United States is the same role as Senator of Illinois? Those are completely different roles, although one person can be both at different times.

It's more accurate to use name antichrist since the bible speaks of the beast from the earth,.....

No, it is not. It is erroneous to do so, as I have been explaining why.

Douggg · Jun 7, 2019

Seville90210 said:
Douggg, you're wrong! Jesus' robe dipped in blood in Revelation 19:13 is from Isaiah 63:1-6 just as Keras said. It's concrete evidence from the bible Jesus was on earth prior to Revelation 19 already executing God's wrath.

You are in error. Jesus in Revelation 19 comes from heaven.

He later, after descending from heaven, destroys them in Edom, in Isaiah 63:1-6.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Douggg · Jun 7, 2019

Seville90210 said:
The wrath of God begins at the middle of the tribulation during the AoD and Jerusalem is the first city God plans to destroy. After Jerusalem and Israel is destroyed, all the cities and countries that follow are Muslims in the Middle East.

In Ezekiel 38-39, God destroys the muslim/russian invaders. Then the 7 years. Islam will not be a factor in the seven years. And the mahdi, Isa, dajjal prophecies of the muslim eschatology claims will never materialize.

At the end of the 7 years, in Zechariah 14, when Jesus returns, He will be returning to Jerusalem. And just the opposite of what you are claiming, God is going to destroy them coming up against Jerusalem.

Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Douggg · Jun 7, 2019

Seville90210 said:
I showed you where in the Quran where Muslims will see a one-eyed Jesus (Real Jesus). Now show me where I said the bible teaches Muslims will see Jesus with one eye?

You have been unable to show where the bible says muslims will see Jesus with one eye. That's one of the failed parts of your claims.

The muslim prophecies will never materialize. There is going to be no muslim concept of the dajjal, nor muslim Jesus - Isa.

What you are doing is taking the muslim prophecies and trying to fit them to the real biblical prophecies.... to support your claim that the Antichrist will be the Mahdi. But the muslim prophecies don't fit the biblical Antichrist, beast, false prophet, and certainly not the real Jesus.

keras · Jun 7, 2019

Douggg said:
You are in error. Jesus in Revelation 19 comes from heaven.

Actually He is with us always. Matthew 28:20
And Jesus will carry out God's vengeance and wrath years before He Returns in glory. At the Sixth Seal event, He will not be seen on that Day; Habakkuk 3:4, Psalms 18:11, Psalms 11:4-6

Re the Islamic peoples; they will be mostly killed and their holy places destroyed, on the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 2:4-5, Habakkuk 3:12-14
Islam will be discredited and no longer of any consequence. The new religion that will arise, will be the worship of the leader of the One World Govt; the Anti-Christ.

Douggg · Jun 7, 2019

keras said:
At the Sixth Seal event, He will not be seen on that Day

At the sixth seal event...

Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

The whole world will see Jesus before the throne of God on that day. It is the sign of the Son of man in heaven, appearing, in Matthew 24:30.

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The whole world will see Jesus in heaven, before the throne of God
Then, the tribes of the earth will mourn accordingly.
and, they will see Jesus coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Douggg · Jun 7, 2019

keras said:
Actually He is with us always. Matthew 28:20
And Jesus will carry out God's vengeance and wrath years before He Returns in glory. At the Sixth Seal event, He will not be seen on that Day; Habakkuk 3:4, Psalms 18:11, Psalms 11:4-6

Re the Islamic peoples; they will be mostly killed and their holy places destroyed, on the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 2:4-5, Habakkuk 3:12-14
Islam will be discredited and no longer of any consequence. The new religion that will arise, will be the worship of the leader of the One World Govt; the Anti-Christ.

The Day of the Lord begins when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God. In 2Thessalonians2, called the Day of Christ.

From it's beginning, The Day of the Lord continues and never stops.

keras · Jun 7, 2019

Douggg said:
At the sixth seal event...

Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

The whole world will see Jesus before the throne of God on that day. It is the sign of the Son of man in heaven, appearing, in Matthew 24:30.

This does not say people will see the Lord at the Sixth Seal event, it just says that people will be terrified and take cover from the cosmic events as prophesied. Revelation 6:12-17
Matthew 24:30 is the Return, a different and years later event.

Douggg said:
From it's beginning, The Day of the Lord continues and never stops.

This is wrong and contradicts Isaiah 9:14, Isaiah 20:5-8, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Revelation 18:8

Douggg · Jun 7, 2019

keras said:
This does not say people will see the Lord at the Sixth Seal event, it just says that people will be terrified and take cover from the cosmic events as prophesied. Revelation 6:12-17
Matthew 24:30 is the Return, a different and years later event.

You are not taking into account they will see the throne of God. And that Jesus's appearance will give them a reason to be terrified. It is not the cosmic events, although the shaking of the powers of the heavens will cause men's hearts to fail, that causes them to want hide in caves and rocks, and want the rocks to fall of them, rather than face the wrath of the Lamb.

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

They see the blinding light throne of God. And feared by it. They see the Lamb of God, who opened the seals. His garments will be covered with the blood of saints, who in the fifth seal had told the great tribulation martyrs, the same ones in Revelation 7, to wait until the end allotted time for the great tribulation is over, and the martyring is over, that He would avenge their deaths.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

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