Climate change - hoax or reality?

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During his ongoing state visit to the UK the President suggested that developing countries like India, China and Russia are irresponsible polluters. Although cities like Delhi have the worst air quality, the American Lung Association (www.lung.org/our-initiatives/healthy-air/sota/) reported in 2018 that 133.9 million Americans are living in highly polluted environments. That number is up from 2017. Big cities like New York, LA, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Fairbanks are all on that list.

As someone who's done considerable testing for the EPA on PM, VOC and THC emissions from wood burning stoves frequently used for winter heating, I was wondering who really is responsible for pollution and global warming. Is it even real? If so, how do we fix it?

All are welcome to debate.

Some links: Donald Trump tells Prince Charles US has 'clean climate'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...charles/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.af2047360025

Trump Blames India, China for Pollution, Says US Has the Cleanest Climate

'No sense of cleanliness': Donald Trump blames India, China for climate change
 
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Reality. Proven easily by anybody even an amateur scientist. Only the catch is it isn't caused by man. That part is the only hoax. But it's simply God doing his handy work, through the natural cycle of the earth he created, to show us signs that we are in the last days.

Increased C02 lags behind increased temperature. All scientists know this but they don't tell anyone this.
 
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But it's simply God doing his handy work, through the natural cycle of the earth he created, to show us signs that we are in the last days.

Deplorable attitude. If you are callous enough to believe this what possibly incentive would you have to make anything better for future generations ?
 
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Deplorable attitude. If you are callous enough to believe this what possibly incentive would you have to make anything better for future generations ?
You have to realize God is in control. He decides when the earth will get restored, he decides when the apocalypse will be, he knows the timing, and as he designed the earth he decides the natural cycle of warming and cooling of the earth's temperature and all the little details of it. The earth is his footstool. We don't have any say and play no role or part in that. Man-made climate change in my opinion tries to hide God, that seems to be the agenda of the hoax.

As for your future generations comment, I'm not sure what your point is. We should still take care of God's earth and respect it. Meaning we don't need to pollute it so we have more trouble breathing the air and we can recycle so we don't need to affect God's creatures as much. We can still all do these things and respect the earth as we always do... Taking care of the earth and the environment is still important as it affects our living directly and our quality of life, just look at China and how polluted it is and how many people need to wear masks because they can't breathe in the polluted air. These things directly affect us. Also taking care of the animals in the ecosystem of the earth is a reasonable thing we should do to respect God's creation of the earth. Just note climate change is not made by us, we have no role in it so the whole CO2 and human causes climate change stuff is all a hoax.
 
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Just note climate change is not made by us, we have no role in it so the whole CO2 and human causes climate change stuff is all a hoax.

So you think the current levels of CO2 have nothing to do with human actions. Data really does not support this but rather shows that our current state of industrialization and increased CO2 emissions go together.

Current & Historical Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Levels Graph

But let us just pretend this is not happening, well some pretend it anyways. Why shouldn`t we limit our CO2 transmissions to slow climate change even if it was caused mostly by natural means like volcanic activity or whatever.
 
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Read some scientific papers and then get back to me, testing is not the same thing as experiments, models and science.
What makes you think I haven't done that? I have a PhD in Engineering and I'm a Professor who doesn't just publish but edits and models such technologies.

If you're interested and can understand, you can find some of our field reports (which included empirical modeling using regression analysis, predictive capability, statistical uncertainty, forecast etc.) here's a link:
The EPA National Library Catalog | EPA National Library Network | US EPA

It explains how the standard certification tests so poorly predict the actual emissions.

Have you ever done such work in pollution control? This is a place to discuss not attack others.

Your arrogance and ignorance is unbecoming of a Christian. No, I have no desire to get back to you.
 
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You have to realize God is in control. He decides when the earth will get restored, he decides when the apocalypse will be, he knows the timing, and as he designed the earth he decides the natural cycle of warming and cooling of the earth's temperature and all the little details of it. The earth is his footstool. We don't have any say and play no role or part in that. Man-made climate change in my opinion tries to hide God, that seems to be the agenda of the hoax.

So we should not do any actions to save our planet because God is in control and it is futile anyway ?

Climate hoax is intended to hide God but cooking the planet will reveal him in all of his glory for all the dying species so what is to worry about ?

That sounds about as stupid thinking as I have seen on these forums.
 
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During his ongoing state visit to the UK the President suggested that developing countries like India, China and Russia are irresponsible polluters. Although cities like Delhi have the worst air quality, the American Lung Association (www.lung.org/our-initiatives/healthy-air/sota/) reported in 2018 that 133.9 million Americans are living in highly polluted environments. That number is up from 2017. Big cities like New York, LA, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Fairbanks are all on that list.

As someone who's done considerable testing for the EPA on PM, VOC and THC emissions from wood burning stoves frequently used for winter heating, I was wondering who really is responsible for pollution and global warming. Is it even real? If so, how do we fix it?

All are welcome to debate.

What would people perpetrating a climate hoax stand to gain?
 
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@mukk_in Shakedown. Climate changes anyway, so Climate Change is a non-sequitur.

If governments and large electronic corporations were concerned about the environment, they could start with standardising electronics components and make them easier to repair. They'd see a crash in sales probably. Less resources used, less pollution, but they're not concerned anywhere near enough.
 
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Here's a tip:

You own a car - its an expensive car. Do you go asking Donald Trump or a random christian here to fix your car. No I figure you would go to someone qualified. Someone who has credentials as a car mechanic and preferably with a ton of frontline experience in your kind of car.

But hey yours is a very expensive car - so maybe you will get a few expert opinions from those with appropriate credentials. If one guy says there's nothing to worry about but the other ten say 'listen up - you have a major problem', then I figure you will go where the consensus of experts sit.

So what on earth is this ridiculous debate we have - Christians are the worst for this - the classic climate deniers. We have literally tens of thousands of climate scientists who have tendered their collective opinion - and we still have people like you lot saying....wellllll the guy next door says...or the looney on the radio says....

You have your experts - Its just that too many of you don't want to listen.
 
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Hive structure of society, with a tiny elite at the top.

I'm not sure I follow, could you set out the steps that would see curtailing green house gases and use of plastics into this hive society.
 
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I'm not sure I follow, could you set out the steps that would see curtailing green house gases and use of plastics into this hive society.

It's not about greenhouse gases or curtailing the use of plastics. States are willing to send millions to their deaths. Burn through ungodly amounts of Coal, ship things half way around the world. Glass bottles could have continued to be more widely reused, corporations and Governments don't care less. And the 3rd worlds fly tips into the rivers.

A hive structure of society is the move towards a Tech Singularity. Which done through laws virtually ensures a subservient workforce.

The oceans are virtually depleted in places, aquifers drained; and the concern is on plastic and gas.
 
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