Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

Did event of Israel 1948 fulfill any Bible prophecy?


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Under the old covenant, proof, in the form of genealogical records, was needed to show that someone descended from Levi in order to be included in the priesthood. If proof could not be provided, the Urim and Thummin had to first be consulted.

Ezra 2:59-63 The following were those who came up from Tel-melah, Tel-harsha, Cherub, Addan, and Immer, though they could not prove their fathers’ houses or their descent, whether they belonged to Israel: the sons of Delaiah, the sons of Tobiah, and the sons of Nekoda, 652. Also, of the sons of the priests: the sons of Habaiah, the sons of Hakkoz, and the sons of Barzillai (who had taken a wife from the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called by their name). These sought their registration among those enrolled in the genealogies, but they were not found there, and so they were excluded from the priesthood as unclean. The governor told them that they were not to partake of the most holy food, until there should be a priest to consult Urim and Thummim.

Does anyone presently have their genealogical records proving they descended from Levi? Do we have the Urim and Thummim presently to consult? Does the old covenant still even exist?

You are confusing mans knowledge with Gods knowledge. Today the standards are much more relaxed anyway.
 
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Israel never bore any significant spiritual fruit. On the contrary, it was repeatedly led into idolatry, and the abandonment and rejection of its God.
Before Jesus came to save them: yes.
After they accepted Jesus: no.
This is proved by who it was and still is; evangelizing and tirelessly doing mission work around the world. - The Western, Caucasian peoples.
 
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Since Israel was multiethnic from its beginning, there was never any "ethnic purity".

Pure enough for God's purpose.

Israel never bore any significant spiritual fruit. On the contrary, it was repeatedly led into idolatry, and the abandonment and rejection of its God.

I'm speaking of the time of their dispersion up until the 14 century.
 
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Paul is referring to the Jews in those 2 verses.
Part of the problem in correctly identifying who Paul is talking about, is the translators bias or their pre-conceived notion of who they think Paul means.

Knowing God's Plan for those people He originally chose, helps to understand it all.

But you said earlier that "Paul calls the House of Israel, 'Gentiles' as they have lost their Israelite identity."

Yet in those 2 verses, he calls "Israel", "Israel".

Why doesn't he call "Israel", "Gentiles", as you say he does in verse 24?
 
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Pure enough for God's purpose.

God slew ethnically pure OT Israelites by the thousands when they forsook Him.

Their ethnic purity served no purpose of His.

I'm speaking of the time of their dispersion up until the 14 century.

What spiritual fruit was borne in that time?
 
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I think you know better than that.
But do you?
You just claimed ANYONE with that last name is a Levite.

I’ve just demonstrated such a claim is clearly made in error.

Would you now care to amend that assertion?

And again.. can Ezra just be cut out of our bibles then?

Ezra 2:59,63
59 And these were the ones who came up from Tel Melah, Tel Harsha, Cherub, Addan, and Immer; but they could not identify their father’s house or their genealogy, whether they were of Israel:...
These sought their listing among those who were registered by genealogy, but they were not found; therefore they were excluded from the priesthood as defiled.
 
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But do you?
You just claimed ANYONE with that last name is a Levite.

I’ve just demonstrated such a claim is clearly made in error.

Would you now care to amend that assertion?

And again.. can Ezra just be cut out of our bibles then?

Ezra 2:59,63
59 And these were the ones who came up from Tel Melah, Tel Harsha, Cherub, Addan, and Immer; but they could not identify their father’s house or their genealogy, whether they were of Israel:...
These sought their listing among those who were registered by genealogy, but they were not found; therefore they were excluded from the priesthood as defiled.


No because you are using an extreme example that is not a normal situation! And you know that!

And you know what I meant. Why you are being so nit picky! I can trust in god knowing He knows who are Israelis and who are not!

If you know of someone who had the chutzpah to change their last name to a Jewish priest name- let me know.

You seem to forget Gopd can take care of these issues in these last days.
 
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What spiritual fruit was borne in that time?

The Reformation, and the widespread printing of the bible, followed by several religious revivals (the "Great Awakenings") that affected Britain and America but also northern Europe. Christianity was freed from grip of the Kings of Europe and Britain and the RCC.
 
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The fleeing Assyrians took their captives with them.

scripture to support this?

The punishment for Israel was to last for 390 day/years, according to Ezekiel 4,

Ezekiel was to lay on his side for a certain amount of days that correlated with the number of years of the northern kingdoms' iniquity, which was 390 years. Scripture does not say it would be 390 years of punishment for the house of Israel.

Ezekiel 4:5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel

Sieving was the final separation of impurities from the grain.

I agree, so let's compare that to the northern kingdom. God said he would shake the northern kingdom among the nations like a sieve. Where do the impurities end up and where does the grain end up? Does the grain end up in the nations or the impurities?

They did later however, with the fullness of the Birthright.

Where is the birthright defined for Israel in scripture?

This is one reason Paul is confusing. He interchanges the terms Judah with Israel, and gentiles with tribes or nations.

Paul uses Israel and Jew interchangeably because Judah is of the nation of Israel. Additionally, some from the northern kingdom lived in the southern kingdom post Babylonian exile (1 chronicles 9). Thus the Term Jew can encapsulate descendants from Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and assimilated northern kingdom.

Notice Paul states to the Jew first and also the greek. Paul does not say to the Jew first, then Ephraim, then greek. Why?

to sum it up

Jew = descendants of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and assimilated northern kingdom

Gentile = those not descendant of Israel and descendants of exiled northern kingdom.


Romans 1:16 am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek

You were close. Recall that Jesus stated, "I am sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". He then began ministering to those living in or near Samaria.

Incorrect, the Samaritans were not of the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus tells the disciples NOT to go to the towns of Samaritans, but rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

Matthew 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
 
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scripture to support this?

None needed.

Ezekiel was to lay on his side for a certain amount of days that correlated with the number of years of the northern kingdoms' iniquity, which was 390 years. Scripture does not say it would be 390 years of punishment for the house of Israel.

Ezekiel 4:5 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel

Compare the 390 days for Israel with the 40 days for Judah. Judah was freed from Babylonian captivity about 40 years after Ezekiel wrote the account, therefore...

I agree, so let's compare that to the northern kingdom. God said he would shake the northern kingdom among the nations like a sieve. Where do the impurities end up and where does the grain end up? Does the grain end up in the nations or the impurities?

The point is that God kept his people separate from the gentiles, even while living among them. They were on one side of the sieve basket, the gentiles on the other.

Where is the birthright defined for Israel in scripture?

Genesis 48 an 49

Incorrect, the Samaritans were not of the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus tells the disciples NOT to go to the towns of Samaritans, but rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

Matthew 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go onto the road of the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

The Israelites were living among the Samaritans. That's who Jesus went to, and sent the disciples to. Read the accounts of his visit to the two women carefully.
 
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Romans 9 ends in some confusing (hard to be understood) statements by Paul.
Your confused and don't understand it? At least you admit it.

I seem to recall my bro Peter mentioning something about Paul's Epistles being hard to understand.

261. amathes
from 1 (as a negative particle) and 3129; ignorant:--unlearned. [used only in 1 verse]
793. asteriktos from 1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of 4741; unfixed, i.e. (figuratively) vacillating:--unstable. Used in 2 verses]

2 Peter 3:16 As also/and in all the letters, speaking in them about these-things; in which are difficult to understand<1425> any which the unlearned<261> and unstable<793> are wresting/twisting as also the rest of Writings, toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>. [# 684 used Revelation 17:8, 11]
2 Peter 2:14
having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable<793> souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children.
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Just happen to verse studies up on the Book of Romans, tho it has been about 10 and I may revisit it.

Book of Romans verse by verse study
May 7, 2009

Book of Romans verse by verse study
Roman 9 verse by verse


CHAPTER 9

#4893 shown 30 times in 29 verses according to ISA. KJV concordance shows it used 1 time in Gospels {John 8:9}, rest in general Epistles. It is formed with the prefix #4862 and root word #1492. It is renedered as "concience" in most versions

Romans 9:1 Truth I am telling in Christ, not I am lying of together-testifying to me the together-seeing/suneidhsewV <4893> of me in spirit holy

Textus Rec.) Romans 9:1 alhqeian legw en cristw ou yeudomai summarturoushV moi thV suneidhsewV mou en pneumati agiw

Strong's Number G4893 occurs 32 times in 30 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

4893. suneidesis soon-i'-day-sis from a prolonged form of 4894; co-perception, i.e. moral consciousness:--conscience.
4894. suneido soon-i'-do from 4862 and 1492; to see completely; used (like its primary) only in two past tenses, respectively meaning to understand or become aware, and to be conscious or (clandestinely) informed of:--consider, know, be privy, be ware of.
1492. eido i'-do a primary verb; used only in certain past tenses, the others being borrowed from the equivalent 3700 and 3708; properly, to see (literally or figuratively); by implication, (in the perfect tense only) to know:--be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider, (have) know(-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wish, wot. Compare 3700.
 
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Israel was responsible for the Reformation and printing of the Bible?

No, God was, but used the descendants of Israel and others to do the work. Why would he choose Gentiles to do this?
 
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OldWiseGuy said:
Romans 9 ends in some confusing (hard to be understood) statements by Paul.
LittleLambofJesus said:
Your confused and don't understand it? At least you admit it.
I didn't say I was confused.
Ah.
Imagine 1st century Christian Jews and Gentiles reading his Letters.
Imagine the Jews' reaction when Paul likened them to their City to Hagar.........

Galatians 4:

21Tell me, you that desire to be under the law, don't you listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the handmaid, and one by the free woman. 23However, the son by the handmaid was born according to the flesh, but the son by the free woman was born through promise. 24These things contain an allegory, for these are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children to bondage, which is Hagar.
25For this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to the Jerusalem that exists now, for she is in bondage with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, "Rejoice, you barren who don't bear. Break forth and shout, you that don't travail. For more are the children of the desolate than of her who has a husband."
28Now we, brothers, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29But as then, he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

30 But what/any is saying the Scripture 'be Casting-Out/ekbale <1544> the maid-servant and her son, for not no shall be tenanting/inheriting the son of the maid-servant with the son of the freeone.31So then, brothers, we are not children of a handmaid, but of the free woman.28Now we, brothers, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29But as then, he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

Mat 8:12
but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast forth to the outer darkness -- there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth.'

Same Greek word for the Court being measured in Revelation

The Court in Revelation 11:2
The Court in Revelation 11:2

Revelation 11:2
and the court/fold, outside of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out/ekbale <1544>! out-side, and thou mayest not be measuring her, that she was given to the nations,
and the city/ the holy they shall be trampling forty and two months
 
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Which of the Reformers were descendants of Israel, and how would you know?
Simple: We know them by their fruit.

It seems to be just too hard for you to understand that the House of Israel, the 10 Northern tribes are still extant in the world. Some did join with the House of Judah, now visible as the Jewish state of Israel, but the bulk remain scattered around the world. This is God's doing. 1 Kings 12:24
God sent Jesus to teach them the Way and the Truth.
Have you accepted Jesus and His Commandments. You are an Israelite then by faith, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18, +
But the greatest percentage of Christians are also Israelite by descent, if that is not the case, then Jesus' Mission failed.
God spoke to our our hearts and we have turned to Him. Praise Him for His great mercy!
 
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Simple: We know them by their fruit.

It seems to be just too hard for you to understand that the House of Israel, the 10 Northern tribes are still extant in the world. Some did join with the House of Judah, now visible as the Jewish state of Israel, but the bulk remain scattered around the world. This is God's doing. 1 Kings 12:24
God sent Jesus to teach them the Way and the Truth.
Have you accepted Jesus and His Commandments. You are an Israelite then by faith, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18, +
But the greatest percentage of Christians are also Israelite by descent, if that is not the case, then Jesus' Mission failed.
God spoke to our our hearts and we have turned to Him. Praise Him for His great mercy!

The fruit of Gentiles who are in Christ is the same as the fruit of Jews who are in Christ.

So how do you distinguish Gentiles in Christ from Jews in Christ if they bear the same fruit?

Or is only whether they are in Christ relevant, and whether they are Gentiles or Jews irrelevant?

As Scripture confirms (Galatians 3:28,29; Acts 10:34,35).

Everyone, both Christian and non-Christian, is now Israelite (i.e. of Israelitish tribes) by descent, as the Abrahamic genome is present in everyone on earth.

Which only further confirms that "descent" is of no spiritual significance or relevance.

Yes, it is simple.
 
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