Divorce (Is adultery the only justifiable reason for it?)

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Im not sure if this point has been raised but I believe there is a big difference between divorcing and being divorced. In the latter case the action is being taken against your will. In the former case you instigate the separation.

Usually when I see debate on divorce this is not taken into account.

What is also not taken into account is the rendering of the marriage covenant void through unfaithfulnes or abuse.

When it comes to future christian service then, any wise oversight should take these issues into account.
 
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Can I recommend this thread that I opened when first Joining CF -

Re-Marriage... Comments deeply appreciated.

Also I strongly recommend two papers by Bill Heth who has devoted a chunk of his life to studying this issue...

Dr. William A. Heth

Professor of Greek and New Testament
Biblical Studies, Christian Educational Ministries, and Philosophy
236 W. Reade Avenue
Upland, IN 46989

If you want to read these PM me and I will email them to you.
 
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Pavel Mosko

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What is also not taken into account is the rendering of the marriage covenant void through unfaithfulnes or abuse.


In the case of the friend in question he has multiple valid issues

1) Literal physical abuse


2) There has been lots of stuff suggesting at infidelity on the wife part. Including one admission to making out with a guy. The wife has contracted the ailments that directly correspond to "the test of an unfaithful wife" mentioned in the Pentateuch.


3) I know the sexual life has been nonexistent for 20 years or so, but since that is so personal I don't want to pry into it, but I think a lot of that has been on his wife's end since he is the one bringing that up.


4) When he had his own Messianic congregation aka house church group, the wife was either at the center, or part of the problem in most of the squabbles that happened. She also doesn't work (she claims medical problems), but it is a case of "idle hands are the Devils workshop" and saint Paul has a lot to say on the subject especially in regards to widows with too much time on their hands.


5) There is the whole issue of repentance etc. where she has been making trouble for decades, and some of this stuff does seem to run in her family. Like they have a history of personality disorders or other problems.
 
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Im not sure if this point has been raised but I believe there is a big difference between divorcing and being divorced. In the latter case the action is being taken against your will. In the former case you instigate the separation.

I definitely do see that distinction especially in my own life where my wife filed for divorce when I didn't want it, but eventually gave in after two months.
 
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What we as humans do is we try to solve a problem by creating a worse problem. That is what is happening here.

I feel bad for this individual. But the question is asked in a Christian setting is it ok for this person to divorce? I'm sorry to say that if this individual divorces then by his actions he no longer meets the qualifications of pastor or deacon as called out in the New Testament. Further, if he divorces then gets into a relationship with another woman, that woman is guilty of adultery.

If this person is miserable in his relationship and desires to live separate from his spouse then he can separate himself from his spouse without divorce. Living a Biblical life is not for everyone.
 
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His Messianic congregation however cites the verse by Jesus that mentions only adultery as a valid reason, so I thought I would do a thread on it. Besides that, he is also writing a book of Divorce from the stand point of Messianic Judaism. I will try to cover some of that, even though I can only grasp some of his basic message, arguments etc.
They are closer to right than many other groups, Scripturally, and maybe moving even closer to God's Word, instead of away from His Word.

Books (and threads) about this are just seeming to sensationalize/ profit/ from much ado about nothing - putting man's reasons and/or man's ways ahead of Scripture as if that could ever be approved .
 
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Not sure what your trying to do here. Are you really only asking about divorce? Is this something you might/will take back to him? The "woman"..things said about here and .. its only one sided. From what I read about my Father is.. divorce is never what God wanted. Man asked for a reason. And if we toss out Jer how GOD divorced.. CONTEXT. God.. where she was out selling her self.. a line of men.. He waited in line and bought her back...

So easy to look on the outside. You can can many reasons. But in those moments.. and I know about 1-,15,20 years of pain in a marriage. So hard to see to find Christ. To stay..to love no matter how YOU are treated. Yet it CAN be done.. I know :)

If one asked God.. He wont say a word. This is one of those things.. that.. should not be made public.. again we only here one side. And our person feelings DO come in to play. Unless you really only wanted to know about reasons to divorce :)
 
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There are several acceptable reasons mentioned in the New Testament. Certainly abuse (physical, emotional, psychological) qualifies.

Chapter and verse please that says that abuse qualifies.
 
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Chapter and verse please that says that abuse qualifies.

Matthew 11:29-30: “Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”


Concerning the Pharisees
Matthew 23:4
4 They tie up heavy, burdensomeloads and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.



There are also are plenty of Bible verses against oppressors etc.


People also forget that marriage is a Covenant. That means both parties are responsible for holding up their end. Their are Bible passages that speak of marriage as a blessing (if your being abused this is not a blessing but a curse).
And depending on the gender their are other verses that would preclude such activity. Women should be in submission to their husbands (and not abuse them), and men should love their wives as Christ loves the Church (and not abuse them).


I would also invoke the duties of pastors and other ministers who are suppose to be protecting the vulnerable members of their flock. Besides this their are issues of repentance, chronic abusers don't seem to do that and that is something where church discipline should come in like excommunication etc.


It really is Sound Bite Theology of the worst kind to dismiss abuse as a legitimate cause. If sadistic, narcissistic, antisocial etc. personalities are at work being cheated on in those occasions can be a minor thing compared to someone that gets off on making the other spouse their chew toy.



I also read an interesting article that raises a good point

3. Paul clarified Christian marriages.
In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul directly cites Jesus’ teaching: “To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband. ... The husband should not divorce his wife” (1 Cor. 7:10, 11, ESV). Likewise, he commands believers to build happy marriages even with their unbelieving spouses. However, Paul writes, “If the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace” (1 Cor. 7:15, ESV). This is the same concession Jesus made. While Christians should never break the marriage covenant, they can acknowledge when their spouse has broken it—either by sexual immorality or abandonment.

God Hates Abuse
 
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Again, personal unhappiness is not a good reason to terminate a marrage. I think you have basically heard the truth now it is up to you to either ignore or take it to heart.

Personally I think though that it is a bad idea to council friends on this subject. Say what yu want to say then advise that professional help be sought.
 
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There are a few problems with this situation. First of all, you’re too close. Your relationship with your friend has a measure of bias. You may believe you’re impartial but only God is. Keep that in mind.

The second is his position. We have mandates from God but He requires more from people in positions of leadership. The fact that he’s receiving push back from the congregation and has penned a book on the subject gives you a window into his perspective.

What’s being forgotten in all of this is his flock and the impact it’s having on the congregation and the division that follows. It would be one thing if his wife initiated the divorce. And another if he’s chosen to do so himself.

I’m of the belief he’ll have difficulty ministering on this subject. Especially if his counsel recommends continuance. He’ll appear hypocritical.

The constant thread in all you’ve shared is strife. God is never at the center of it. And it takes two to tangle. Minsters can be blinded by their authority and forget they are servants too.

There’s too much upheaval and more flesh than spirit in my opinion.
 
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And it takes two to tangle.

That cliche fits many personal squabbles, but is horrible when dealing with narcissistic personalities.

But at this time, things are a moot point.

 
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His Messianic congregation however cites the verse by Jesus that mentions only adultery as a valid reason
The issue has to do with divorce and remarriage. This is not as much of an issue if you are willing to remain single.
 
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