I believe we are entering the time soon

Douggg said:

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The first time I saw this chart my initial reaction thinking to myself was "man, Douggg is more confused about the end time than anyone on this forum!"

For example, listed at the top of the chart is Revelation 12:3. Revelation 12 is about the woman (Israel) being scattered into the wilderness for 3.5 years. A little below that is the war of Gog and Magog where Turkey and it's allies invade Jerusalem while the Jews are living in peace and without walls, bars and gates.

Does Douggg not realized when the invasion of Gog and Magog takes place as mentioned in Ezekiel 38, there are people, namely Jews living in Israel, especially in Jerusalem?

Douggg said:

How is copying and pasting verses from the bible attempting to rewrite prophecy?

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It's not the copying and pasting verses. It's the chart below and the crazy false Jewish Messiah from the EU theories you're forcing upon people on this forum time and time again. Even after numerous stark criticisms and rejection of your ideas, you continue to push your opinions upon others.

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Douggg, your ideas are not biblical. Based on Daniel 9:26, it's impossible to have a false Jewish Messiah.

Douggg said:

And I have explained to you why that theory can't work. Because the Antichrist has to be someone instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

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That's a another Muslim antichrist theory you're pushing Douggg. Your arguments are very parallel to their teaching as you'll see in the video. Goto the 2:35-3:00 mark.

Douggg said:

The fourth kingdom in Daniel 7 and in Daniel 2 is the Roman Empire. To be a Jew, a person does not have to be born in Israel. The issue is what is the Roman Empire in the end times. It is the EU.

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Ahh, here it is again. More theories on the EU in the end times.

You didn't post a verse Douggg.

Douggg said:

Jesus is not going to have an eye missing. Look at verse 14 below.

He is not going to have a shriveled up arm. As the muslim dajaal is supposed to have. You are the one claiming the dajaal is really Jesus. It is up to you to produce verses that support your assertion.

Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

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Jesus is not gonna have 7 eyes and 7 horns either when He returns to earth. Look at verse 6.

Revelation 5:5-6 NKJV
5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

ROFL! I can play your game too Douggg.

I'll beat you thought you were so smart posting verses about His supernatural appearance instead of what He looked like on earth during His first coming.

The only thing you've shown is prove my theory, Jesus can appear in more than one form. He can change forms and also look like pure light brighter than the sun. He also transfigured with Moses and Elijah. Who's to say He cannot appear to the Muslims He's against as He looked the day He died on the cross appearing deformed after being tortured and beaten to death?

The Muslims are being condition to recognize the Dajjal. They're being told He will be easily recognizable by His usually hideous appearance. Muslims are told to make war against the Dajjal when they see Him. More parallels to Jesus in the bible. Douggg, nobody can stay beautiful and look normal after going through what Christ went through just before His death on the cross.

Revelation 19:19 NKJV
Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army.

I will admit, it's speculation on my end, but the bible does say God will send a strong delusion upon the wicked during the tribulation (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12). And Muslims claim in their videos when the Dajjal appears, only they will see Him with one eye etc and no one else. So it's not far-fetched to think that maybe Jesus will appear in His beaten deform appearance only to those He plans to wage war against.

Douggg said:

You did not quote a verse.

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Douggg, I wrote "It's in the bible and This IS ALSO in the bible."

I hope you didn't think I had planned to provide verses. If I did, I wouldn't had written it. Basically I was trying to tell you to go look for yourself because it's there, in the bible.

Douggg said:

God is the one who crowns Jesus as King of Israel. Samuel, the prophet acting on instructions from God anointed Saul and David as King of Israel. Nathan the prophet anointed Solomon.

In Psalms 2...

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

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Read Psalm 2 in it's entirety. This takes place after the tribulation, not during. The Jews will crown their Messiah during the first year of the tribulation. This is not the same crowning. When the Jews crown their Messiah, it will be Jesus. It's in the bible.

Douggg said:

You are posting to me videos of what I have been saying repeatedly about popular end times commentators - that they all make the same mistake?

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No sorry Douggg, I'm posting videos opposing your theories on a false Jewish Messiah (antichrist) with a verse that refutes your teaching: Daniel 9:26.


Just this one verse alone makes it impossible to have the a/c be Jewish.

Douggg said:

You are the one claiming the dajaal is really Jesus. It is up to you to produce verses that support your assertion.

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1) At the 5:16-6:50 mark of the video, the Dajjal can bring rain or drought to wherever whenever He likes.
2) At the 7:30-7:50 mark, the Dajjal raises the dead.
3) At the 9:35-10:00 mark, the Dajjal will cast unbelievers into hell.
4) At the 5:00-5:12 mark, the Dajjal will never marry.

All these are mentioned in the bible of what Jesus will do on earth at His return, no one else.



0.00 to 2:00 mark

1) The Dajjal will rule the world from Jerusalem eternally.
2) The Dajjal will regather the Jews back to Israel.
3) The Dajjal will liberate Israel.
4) Israel becomes the ruling capital of the world.

All these are mentioned in the bible of what Jesus will do on earth at His return, no one else.



1:00-1:35 mark. The Dajjal rides a white donkey in the sky all over the world.

Jesus does this too in the bible. No one else.

The Dajjal is also said to defend Israel and fight against her enemies in another video I saw but can't remember where I saw it. I'll post it when I find it.

These are uncanny parallels that no one else is mentioned in the bible capable of doing during the final 7 year tribulation.

In the bible and the quran, there's only three prominent figures mentioned in the end times. If the biblical antichrist is the Muslim mahdi, the biblical false prophet is the Muslim Isa (false Jesus), who else can the Dajjal be?

Why does Islam teach Muslims to hate only the Dajjal and make war against Him when they see Him?

And no I'm not the only one claiming the Dajjal to be Jesus (the real Jesus).

Islamic Teaching on the Final Battle Between Christ and the Antichrist

Definitions:

The Dajjal is Islam’s Antichrist figure. According to Islam, the Dajjal will return and claim to be Jesus Christ. He’ll claim to be divine and He’ll fight for Israel. The Dajjal is actually the biblical Jesus Christ who returns as the King of kings. When the video refers to the Dajjal, or the Antichrist, it is really referring to the biblical Jesus Christ.

The Mahdi is Islam’s awaited messiah. Muslims believe he will come to help them defeat the Christians and the Jews at the time of the end. He will attempt to rule the entire world. The Mahdi is the biblical Antichrist.

Isa is Islam’s Jesus figure. Muslims believe Jesus was a great prophet but they do not believe He was the Son of God or Savior of the world. The Muslim Jesus will “return” and deny he ever said he was God. He will join together with the Mahdi. He will teach people about Islam and eventually direct people to worship the Mahdi. He is obviously not the real Jesus. The Muslim Jesus is the biblical False Prophet.

Look who Muslims promote as 'Antichrist' - WND - WND


LOOK WHO MUSLIMS PROMOTE AS 'ANTICHRIST'

Guess who is being promoted as the “Antichrist” in a new 52-part video documentary making the rounds on YouTube?

The Islamic production company responsible makes the case that the endtimes global leader, also known as “the Beast of Revelation,” will actually be the Christian and Jewish Messiah.


Who is the Dajjal Islamic Antichrist? | Amos37

Seville90210 said:

The Muslim Jesus is the biblical False Prophet.

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The False Prophet has the world make an image of the first beast and everyone is forced to worship it.

How can the muslims pass that off as something Jesus would do?

Seville90210 said:

I hope you didn't think I had planned to provide verses. If I did, I wouldn't had written it. Basically I was trying to tell you to go look for yourself because it's there, in the bible.

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You had claimed the Jews will crown Jesus the King of Israel. And you say it is in the bible.

Where in the bible - what verse(s) back up your claim?

I gave verse from Psalms 2, that it is God who crowns Jesus as King of Israel, not the Jews.

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For example, listed at the top of the chart is Revelation 12:3. Revelation 12 is about the woman (Israel) being scattered into the wilderness for 3.5 years.

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My chart references specifically Revelation 12:3.

Revelation 12 says nothing about Israel being "scattered" into the wilderness. The text says "fled" into the wilderness, in verse 6.

Here is Revelation 12:3.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

The seven crowns in place signify that king 7 (of the 7 kings in Revelation 17:10) has come to power. The 7th king is the little horn leader of the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7:23-24, the Roman Empire in the end times.

I state this on my chart. And reference both Daniel 7 and Revelation 17:10.

The person will come to power before Gog/Magog begins.

Seville90210 said:

Read Psalm 2 in it's entirety. This takes place after the tribulation, not during. The Jews will crown their Messiah during the first year of the tribulation. This is not the same crowning. When the Jews crown their Messiah, it will be Jesus. It's in the bible.

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I realize that that Psalms 2 takes place at the end of the 70th week. It corresponds to Ezekiel 39:17-21 and Revelation 19 when Jesus returns.

You write the Jews crown Jesus as their messiah. What verse(s) in the bible say that the Jews crown Jesus as their messiah?

God is the One in Psalms 2 who crowns Jesus as King of Israel. The Jews will acknowledge and embrace Him as their King of israel, but they are not the ones who crown Jesus.

7 years earlier than Jesus's return, I show on my chart, the Antichrist anointed the King of Israel. I reference on my chart, Deuteronomy 31:9-13, which Moses made it a law that all future leaders of Israel confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a seven year interval, by giving a big speech to the nation of Israel.

That's what starts the 70th week. The Antichrist, playing the part of King of Israel will make that big speech to the nation of Israel.

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Jesus is not gonna have 7 eyes and 7 horns either when He returns to earth. Look at verse 6.

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But what you are claiming is Jesus will have the appearance of the muslim dajjal. Of having one eye and a shriveled up arm.

Show verse(s)in the bible of Jesus having such an appearance.

Seville90210 said:

If the biblical antichrist is the Muslim mahdi, the biblical false prophet is the Muslim Isa (false Jesus), who else can the Dajjal be?

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NO ONE ! No one is going to be the dajjal, not the real Jesus, no one.

Because the muslim prophecies are all made up and don't correspond to the real figures in the Bible.

This is what I have been telling you over and over. There is no-one to fit the muslim dajjal concept of the Antichrist. And in addition, it is ridiculous to fit Isa (the muslim Jesus) as the false prophet because Jesus would never have the world make an image of the beast - an idol to be worshipped - as the false prophet will do.
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Who ever compiled the Koran and the hadiths had a skimpy knowledge of the bible, and came up with their ideas and claimed those as prophecies that will take place.

What you are doing is trying to fit their bogus prophecies to the bible in order support the notion that the muslim prophecy of the mahdi will take form as the biblical Antichrist.

But it doesn't work because there is no-one to play the role of the dajjal. And it is ridiculous to think that the muslim Isa (their Jesus), as the false prophet, would have the world make an idol to worship.

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Just this one verse alone makes it impossible to have the a/c be Jewish.

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The speaker referenced Daniel 9:26, that it was the Romans who destroyed the temple and city. And that the prince who shall come must be a Roman prince - which he says is not Jewish.

Being a Roman prince does not mean that the person cannot be a Jew. There are Jews in countries all around the world. To be the leader of the Roman Empire of the end times - the EU - is not a restriction that the person cannot be a Jew.

A Jew can be born in the city of Rome itself, and thus be a Roman (and a Jew). Although I don't see that as a requirement that he be born in the city of Rome.

Seville90210 said:

The first time I saw this chart my initial reaction thinking to myself was "man, Douggg is more confused about the end time than anyone on this forum!"

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Since you like my chart so much, here is a companion chart I made for the timeframes of the great tribulation, ending with Jesus's retun.

Douggg said:

Since you like my chart so much, here is a companion chart I made for the timeframes of the great tribulation, ending with Jesus's retun.

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Placing the Sixth Seal at Jesus Return, is your fundamental error.
That idea is a serious mistake and leaves people without warning of next prophesied event; the great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, which will set the scene for all that must happen leading up to the Return in Glory. NOT wrath.

Douggg said:

The False Prophet has the world make an image of the first beast and everyone is forced to worship it.

How can the muslims pass that off as something Jesus would do?

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You're gonna have to elaborate because I'm not understanding your question.

Douggg said:

You had claimed the Jews will crown Jesus the King of Israel. And you say it is in the bible.

Where in the bible - what verse(s) back up your claim?

I gave verse from Psalms 2, that it is God who crowns Jesus as King of Israel, not the Jews.

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Yes, the Jews will crown Jesus as their Messiah. And they will do so with an actual crown made of gold and silver placed on the top of His head.

Psalm 2 is not an actual crowning. It's more about Jesus being appointed to a position such as one being ordained by God.

Yeah I can back it up with scriptures. But now is not the right time. You need to learn other things first, like who is the Dajjal, where the a/c will come out off, the collapse of the EU, the fallout and pullout of Italy from the EU. Soon, you're gonna have to change your theory to "The coming false Messiah from the revive Italexit."



It's gonna be even harder trying to prove the a/c coming out of a revived Roman empire of the EU when that doesn't exist.

Douggg said:

But what you are claiming is Jesus will have the appearance of the muslim dajjal. Of having one eye and a shriveled up arm.

Show verse(s)in the bible of Jesus having such an appearance.

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Douggg, how many times must you read the things I've written before it starts to sink in? I said it's possible the Dajjai can appear with one eye only to Muslims Jesus considers God's enemies to cause them to wage war against Him. Muslims claim only true believers of Islam will be able to see the Dajjal in that appearance. That means we and everyone else will see a two eye Dajjal.

Signs post-emergence[edit]

• He will do miracles and yield resources (minerals, food) from land by his power.
• He will lay siege across the world except the Islamic holy cities (Makkah and Medina).
• He will alter the coastal tides and bring chilled winds across the Red Sea.
• He would be recognisable by a true believer of Islam (aka; a mumin).

Al-Masih ad-Dajjal - Wikipedia

Now let me ask you the same question. Show me verse(s) of what Jesus actually looked like ON EARTH during His first coming.

Douggg said:

NO ONE ! No one is going to be the dajjal, not the real Jesus, no one.

Because the muslim prophecies are all made up and don't correspond to the real figures in the Bible.

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Touchy touchy! Seems like I just gotten the better of you with all those uncanny parallels between Jesus and the Dajjal Douggg.

I just remembered another uncanny parallel. In the bible, Jesus fights the antichrist and the false prophet.

In the Quran, the Dajjal (Jesus) fights against the Mahdi (antichrist) and Isa the fake Jesus (false prophet).

Well how about that Douggg?

Douggg said:

Who ever compiled the Koran and the hadiths had a skimpy knowledge of the bible, and came up with their ideas and claimed those as prophecies that will take place.

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Correction Douggg. Whoever compiled that chart and theory of a false Jewish Messiah from a revived Roman empire from the EU had a skimpy knowledge of the bible and came up with their ideas and claimed those as prophecies that will take place.

I really don't think anyone is buying your ideas Douggg.

Douggg said:

Since you like my chart so much, here is a companion chart I made for the timeframes of the great tribulation, ending with Jesus's retun.

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Sorry to tell you this but this chart is wrong too from top to bottom.

The 2 witnesses don't prophecies for 1185 days. The correct days are 1260. When they finish prophesying at the 1260th day (not 1185) is when the a/c will make war against them.

Revelation 11:3 NKJV
And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."

Revelation 11:7 NKJV
When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.

They don't fight the a/c and give their testimony at the same time.


The second coming doesn't begin at the 2520th day. Jesus returns to earth much sooner than that. Much much much sooner! It's in the bible Douggg. Yes I can prove it too.....with scriptures!

I'll be a good sport tonight with a little hint. The second coming begins the same time the Jews claimed their Messiah will come which is the same time the Muslims claimed the Dajjal will arrive. That's when Jesus returns on earth. It's in the bible.

Another uncanny parallel.

Seville90210 said:

You're gonna have to elaborate because I'm not understanding your question.

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You are claiming the false prophet is the muslim Jesus.

One of the ten commandments is not to worship idols. Exodus 20:3-5.

The false prophet breaks that commandment big time. So how can the muslims pass the false prophet off as Jesus - something Jesus would do?

Revelation 13:
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Why would any muslim believe that Jesus would have the people of the world make an image (idol) of the beast?

Seville90210 said:

Douggg, how many times must you read the things I've written before it starts to sink in? I said it's possible the Dajjai can appear with one eye only to Muslims Jesus considers God's enemies to cause them to wage war against Him

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You "say" anything. But it's not in the bible.

You don't have bible verses to back up your claim.

Seville90210 said:

The 2 witnesses don't prophecies for 1185 days. The correct days are 1260. When they finish prophesying at the 1260th day (not 1185) is when the a/c will make war against them.

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Look at my chart again... Day 1260. I don't say the two witnesses prophesy 1185 days, but 1260 days. (use can use ctrl + to zoom in)

"end of the two witnesses 1260 days of testimony
(Revelation 11:3)

Seville90210 said:

I said it's possible the Dajjai can appear with one eye only to Muslims Jesus considers God's enemies to cause them to wage war against Him. Muslims claim only true believers of Islam will be able to see the Dajjal in that appearance. That means we and everyone else will see a two eye Dajjal.

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Where are you reading in the bible that Jesus will appear to non-Christians (muslims) to have only one eye?

What I am telling you over and over is that there is no one in the bible to play the role of the dajjal. No one, not Jesus, not anyone.

keras said:

Placing the Sixth Seal at Jesus Return, is your fundamental error.
That idea is a serious mistake and leaves people without warning of next prophesied event; the great and terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, which will set the scene for all that must happen leading up to the Return in Glory. NOT wrath.

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No, it is not an error.

The sixth seal events match the events of Matthew 24:29-30 - which is at the end of the 70th week, at Jesus's return.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Douggg said:

The sixth seal events match the events of Matthew 24:29-30 - which is at the end of the 70th week, at Jesus's return.

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But they don't match!
Some things are similar, like the sun darkened; that happens several times in the Bible.
But the thing that is opposite is the moon; at the Sixth Seal, it will shine blood red. At the Return it will not give its light.

You are wrong in this belief of yours, as you seem to be in most other beliefs about Bible prophecy, as well.
My suggestion to you is to cease posting until you have more carefully studied and understood what God actually will do in the end times.

keras said:

Some things are similar, like the sun darkened; that happens several times in the Bible.
But the thing that is opposite is the moon; at the Sixth Seal, it will shine blood red. At the Return it will not give its light.

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No, they are a match.

In the KJV,
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

When you presently see the moon shining white, it is because it is reflecting the light of the sun.

When the sun becomes dark, black like a sackcloth, the moon is not going to be shining white like normal.