Body, Soul, and Spirit

jmorton · Jun 4, 2019

Greetings all,
I am a firm believer of the trichotomy of man, being as we are made in the image of God, and as God is a trinity of persons, we are also made into three parts. I will link an article to all those unfamiliar with this teaching at the end of this post.

I was curious, it is the Spirit that lives on after death but is it also the soul? As the Soul holds our emotions and our unique personalities. In that same frame of thought, do Angels and Fallen Angles also have Souls? Or are they merely just Spiritual beings.

Any and all responses are much appreciated.

ViaCrucis · Jun 4, 2019

Scripture speaks of many aspects of human existence, the mind, the heart, the soul, the body, the spirit. But trying to force all these into their own discrete and independent units is problematic. My mind isn't something that exists apart from the rest of me, it's simply part of the greater whole of my human personhood.

So trying to speak of man as a trichotomy of body, soul, and spirit has this same problem. Treating these as three discrete things on their own, as opposed to simply being different ways of describing different parts of human existence.

I'm not a body, and I'm not a soul. I'm a human beings. Now my body is me, this is the flesh that was conceived in my mother's womb, encoded with genetic information, it is integral to my humanity as a person; likewise my mind, I'm not a mind in a body, my mind is part of my bodily existence--I have a brain which receives and interprets external stimulus through the senses and I also have rational, conscious thought. This aspect of rationality, of the mind, has often been in western philosophy to be an aspect of the soul as well; for Aristotle there were different kinds of "souls", that is, the existance of different kinds of living things. Plants are alive and thus have a "soul", though it is a "vegetative soul" in the Aristotelian model, just as animals have a "soul", an "animal soul" by which animals sense their external world and respond to it. Humans, for Aristotle, had something unique, a "rational soul", we weren't simply alive, or simply responsive/reactive creatures, we can reason, we can contemplate our world and our place in our world.

In Hebrew thought "the soul" was the animating principle of living things, in Genesis we read that God breathed into a lump of clay and Adam became a lenephesh chayyah, a "breathing creature" a "living, breathing thing". Living things breathe, nonliving things don't breathe, that is why the "breath of life" is necessary, it's what distinguishes a corpse from a living creature.

The human person is not comprised of a summary of different components, but is a holistic, but complex organism; a rational animal, a moral creature, a physical being endowed with reason, conscious, conscience, with mind, able to consider his place in the world and his relationship with other creatures; and indeed, to even be aware of and relate to the God who made him.

The Bible never actually speaks of "the soul going to heaven" after we die. What Scripture does tell us is that to be absent from the body means being present with the Lord. And we see in the Apocalypse of St. John in one of the visions that the souls of the saints stand before the throne of God. As such the imagery the Church has used, historically, has been that between death and resurrection there is an intermediate state where, though we have been unnaturally and wrongly torn apart by death, nonetheless share still in God's life and goodness, and thus dwell in the goodness and presence of God as we wait for the resurrection of the body and when heals and restores all of creation in the Age to Come.

That is why we have, as Christians, been able to speak of "going to heaven" when we die; as a kind of shorthand to describe this intermediate, temporary state which is for us rest in God's presence. If one wants to boil all this down to anything technical is almost certainly impossible. What does it even mean to speak of "the soul" apart from the body? How does "the mind" make sense without its thinking-organ, the brain? We don't know, but it's not really our business to know--we remain confident nonetheless, and hopeful, "to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord" until the Last Day when the Lord returns in glory and the dead are raised, and God makes all things new, world without end.

-CryptoLutheran

com7fy8 · Jun 4, 2019

Our spirit will live on. Our soul will live on. And our body will be resurrected and then live on.

For us who have trusted in Christ > Ephesians 1:12 > we are being changed into the image of Jesus; so our present personality will not live on, but our personality like Christ will live on.

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29)

So, I understand, God's main focus is to have us become like Jesus who is so pleasing to Him.

So, our spirit is being changed more and more to be like Jesus in us, and our soul is changing so we love the way Jesus loves. So the soul is spiritual, then, I would say, if our soul can love like Jesus. But my opinion is our soul has to do with what we are experiencing . . . feeling. Our soul can experience God in His love, while our soul can also sense what is happening in our physical bodies, though the soul is not physical. This is my working impression, based on a combination of scriptures which do not directly say this.

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Lazarus Short · Jun 4, 2019

Here's my thinking on the subject, extracted from my document files, and edited:

BODY, SPIRIT, SOUL

What are we, anyway? What happens to us when we die?

It's easy to miss what's going on in Genesis when God made Adam, so let's look at those few, meaningful words: “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. And man became a living soul.” - Genesis 2:7 KJV II

First, God took some dirt (in fact, the Miao people refer to Adam as the "Patriarch Dirt"):

dirt --> [God transforms it into] --> a lifeless body.

OK, we've got a body, and we can’t even call it dead, as it has not yet lived, but:

lifeless body --> [God breathes into it the Breath of Life, aka Spirit] --> Adam, a living soul, a living person with breath.

Simplified, we have:

body + breath/spirit = soul

Now we've got a soul, which by the implied Biblical definition, is the living, breathing person, not some ineffable, ethereal, spiritual thing. Also implied, is that you do not HAVE a soul, but you ARE a soul.

Still with me? I tell you, it's as hard to make people understand this! It's a mindset, a stronghold, but we need to understand it in the way God sets it out, not the way the world does. I believe the rest of the Bible uses this understanding of "soul" consistently, and this understanding makes some passages of the Bible plain, which otherwise are confusing.

To deepen your understanding, let's reverse the process. When you die, you stop breathing. Now, a lot of things happen at and after death, but the Biblical view equates life with having breath, so I'm going to stick with that. We have lots of indicators of death these days, such as the heart stopping, lack of pulse, lack of brain activity, but ultimately decomposition, the returning to dust, is the final marker. Lack of breathing meets Biblical criteria, and points to death.

Made simple: soul - breath = body.

Expanded a bit, we get:

living person (soul) - life (breath) = dead/lifeless body.

It's just the making of Adam in reverse.

ewq1938 · Jun 4, 2019

fish_boyom said:
I was curious, it is the Spirit that lives on after death but is it also the soul?

Pretty much:

In John 12:27, Jesus said, "Now is my soul (psuche) troubled", and in John 13:21 it says, "Jesus was troubled in his spirit (pneuma) John 13:21

Here spirit and soul are used interchangeably. He was troubled in his soul, and he was troubled in his spirit.

Genesis 35:18 (KJV)
18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

James 2:26 (KJV)
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Here they are used also interchangeably since the body is dead when the soul departs and the body is also dead when the spirit departs.

Keep in mind there aren't any actual difference in the definitions of soul and spirit in both Hebrew and Greek and even English. They are synonyms.

soul (sol) noun
1. The animating and vital principle in human beings, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.
2. The spiritual nature of human beings, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.
3. The disembodied spirit of a dead human being; a shade....
5. A human being: "the homes of some nine hundred souls" (Garrison Keillor).
6. The central or integral part; the vital core: "It saddens me that this network . . . may lose its soul, which is after all the quest for news" (M. Kalb).

spir·it (spîr¹ît) noun
1. a. The vital principle or animating force within living beings. b. Incorporeal consciousness....
2. The soul, considered as departing from the body of a person at death.
6. a. The part of a human being associated with the mind, will, and feelings: Though unable to join us today, they are with us in spirit. b. The essential nature of a person or group.
7. A person as characterized by a stated quality: He is a proud spirit.(11)

SOUL (nephesh):
1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
1a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
1b) living being
1c) living being (with life in the blood)
1d) the man himself, self, person or individual
1e) seat of the appetites
1f) seat of emotions and passions

SPIRIT (ruach)
1) wind, breath, mind, spirit
1a) breath
1b) wind
1c) spirit (as that which breathes quickly in animation or agitation)
1c1) spirit, animation, vivacity, vigour
1c2) courage
1c3) temper, anger
1c4) impatience, patience
1c5) spirit, disposition (as troubled, bitter, discontented)
1c6) disposition (of various kinds), unaccountable or uncontrollable impulse
1d) spirit (of the living, breathing being in man and animals)
1d1) as gift, preserved by God, God's spirit, departing at death, disembodied being
1e) spirit (as seat of emotion)
1e1) desire
1e2) sorrow, trouble
1f) spirit
1f1) as seat or organ of mental acts
1f2) rarely of the will
1f3) as seat especially of moral character(13)

So in Hebrew "soul" refers to "that which breathes" and to the mind, desire, and emotions.
And "spirit" refers to "that which breathes" and the part of us which experiences emotions and is responsible for "mental acts."

Thayer's Greek words for soul (psuche) and spirit (pneuma):

SOUL (psuche):
1) breath
1a) the breath of life
1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing
1a1a) of animals
1a12) of men
1b) life
1c) that in which there is life
1c1) a living being, a living soul
2) the soul
2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death....

SPIRIT (pneuma)
2) the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
2a) the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
2b) the soul
3) a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
3a) a life giving spirit
3b) a human soul that has left the body
4) the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
4a) the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.(14)

Thus in Greek "soul" refers to the animating principle which feels, desires, and can attain everlasting life with God.
And "spirit" is also the animating principle which feels, thinks, and decides. And notice once again, the use of the word soul to define spirit (twice in fact: 2b,3b). Only #4 for spirit gives so much as a hint the two might be distinct.

Again using the Strong's:

Spirit
G4151
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

Soul
G5590
psuche
psoo-khay'
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.

Summing up, overall the definitions of the English words and lexical entries for the Hebrew and Greek words indicate that "soul" and "spirit" are interchangeable terms, with common characteristics ascribed to both.[/quote]

Spirit: "by analogy or figuratively a spirit" and "the rational soul"
Soul: "(by implication) spirit" and "the rational and immortal soul"

Same exact meanings.

Unfortunately scripture doesn't provide any reasoning why the two have their own names or why we need two of something that is essentially two of the same thing with no provided difference between them. It's kind of like having a two headed coin, the same on both sides yet one side is not the other side per se'.

Grip Docility · Jun 5, 2019

fish_boyom said:
Greetings all,
I am a firm believer of the trichotomy of man, being as we are made in the image of God, and as God is a trinity of persons, we are also made into three parts. I will link an article to all those unfamiliar with this teaching at the end of this post.

I was curious, it is the Spirit that lives on after death but is it also the soul? As the Soul holds our emotions and our unique personalities. In that same frame of thought, do Angels and Fallen Angles also have Souls? Or are they merely just Spiritual beings.

Any and all responses are much appreciated.

This is actually founded in a solid verse.....

1 Thessalonians 5:23

Also... we know this.... Ecclesiastes 12:7

So, the Pneuma (Spirit)... returns to God...

It is the Soul that you are inquiring about... and let me be clear... per Jesus... here... Matthew 10:28... we know that we are Souls, wrapped up in a Body.

Adam was dust + Pneuma (breath of God) = living soul.

So, you see... what are often referred to as the dead.... are Souls...

Souls are in Heaven and Souls are in Sheol.

Hope this helps. All Love to you in our Lord, God Jesus Christ....

Mel333 · Jun 5, 2019

fish_boyom said:
Greetings all,
I am a firm believer of the trichotomy of man, being as we are made in the image of God, and as God is a trinity of persons, we are also made into three parts. I will link an article to all those unfamiliar with this teaching at the end of this post.

I was curious, it is the Spirit that lives on after death but is it also the soul? As the Soul holds our emotions and our unique personalities. In that same frame of thought, do Angels and Fallen Angles also have Souls? Or are they merely just Spiritual beings.

Any and all responses are much appreciated.

Interesting thoughts! Have you read Watchman Nee's - Spiritual man?
Talks a lot like this. So you could be right.

Yes, I would think the soul is our mind and emotional functions.

Personality however. Could be spirit. (nature vs nurture debate however)

That's soul, spirit, body then.. in the image of God.

Perhaps soul was Christ's mind, body is the community of believers and Spirit is the Holy Spirit??

I believe the ewq member has answered it above with scripture/Hebrew!

Mel333 · Jun 5, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Pretty much:

In John 12:27, Jesus said, "Now is my soul (psuche) troubled", and in John 13:21 it says, "Jesus was troubled in his spirit (pneuma) John 13:21

Here spirit and soul are used interchangeably. He was troubled in his soul, and he was troubled in his spirit.

Genesis 35:18 (KJV)
18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

James 2:26 (KJV)
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Here they are used also interchangeably since the body is dead when the soul departs and the body is also dead when the spirit departs.

Keep in mind there aren't any actual difference in the definitions of soul and spirit in both Hebrew and Greek and even English. They are synonyms.

soul (sol) noun
1. The animating and vital principle in human beings, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.
2. The spiritual nature of human beings, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.
3. The disembodied spirit of a dead human being; a shade....
5. A human being: "the homes of some nine hundred souls" (Garrison Keillor).
6. The central or integral part; the vital core: "It saddens me that this network . . . may lose its soul, which is after all the quest for news" (M. Kalb).

spir·it (spîr¹ît) noun
1. a. The vital principle or animating force within living beings. b. Incorporeal consciousness....
2. The soul, considered as departing from the body of a person at death.
6. a. The part of a human being associated with the mind, will, and feelings: Though unable to join us today, they are with us in spirit. b. The essential nature of a person or group.
7. A person as characterized by a stated quality: He is a proud spirit.(11)

SOUL (nephesh):
1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
1a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
1b) living being
1c) living being (with life in the blood)
1d) the man himself, self, person or individual
1e) seat of the appetites
1f) seat of emotions and passions

SPIRIT (ruach)
1) wind, breath, mind, spirit
1a) breath
1b) wind
1c) spirit (as that which breathes quickly in animation or agitation)
1c1) spirit, animation, vivacity, vigour
1c2) courage
1c3) temper, anger
1c4) impatience, patience
1c5) spirit, disposition (as troubled, bitter, discontented)
1c6) disposition (of various kinds), unaccountable or uncontrollable impulse
1d) spirit (of the living, breathing being in man and animals)
1d1) as gift, preserved by God, God's spirit, departing at death, disembodied being
1e) spirit (as seat of emotion)
1e1) desire
1e2) sorrow, trouble
1f) spirit
1f1) as seat or organ of mental acts
1f2) rarely of the will
1f3) as seat especially of moral character(13)

So in Hebrew "soul" refers to "that which breathes" and to the mind, desire, and emotions.
And "spirit" refers to "that which breathes" and the part of us which experiences emotions and is responsible for "mental acts."

Thayer's Greek words for soul (psuche) and spirit (pneuma):

SOUL (psuche):
1) breath
1a) the breath of life
1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing
1a1a) of animals
1a12) of men
1b) life
1c) that in which there is life
1c1) a living being, a living soul
2) the soul
2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death....

SPIRIT (pneuma)
2) the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
2a) the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
2b) the soul
3) a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
3a) a life giving spirit
3b) a human soul that has left the body
4) the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
4a) the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.(14)

Thus in Greek "soul" refers to the animating principle which feels, desires, and can attain everlasting life with God.
And "spirit" is also the animating principle which feels, thinks, and decides. And notice once again, the use of the word soul to define spirit (twice in fact: 2b,3b). Only #4 for spirit gives so much as a hint the two might be distinct.

Again using the Strong's:

Spirit
G4151
pneuma
pnyoo'-mah
From G4154; a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind. Compare G5590.

Soul
G5590
psuche
psoo-khay'
From G5594; breath, that is, (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from G4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from G2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew [H5315], [H7307] and [H2416]: - heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.

Summing up, overall the definitions of the English words and lexical entries for the Hebrew and Greek words indicate that "soul" and "spirit" are interchangeable terms, with common characteristics ascribed to both.

ooo interesting! Thanks for this!

DamianWarS · Jun 5, 2019

fish_boyom said:
Greetings all,
I am a firm believer of the trichotomy of man, being as we are made in the image of God, and as God is a trinity of persons, we are also made into three parts. I will link an article to all those unfamiliar with this teaching at the end of this post.

I was curious, it is the Spirit that lives on after death but is it also the soul? As the Soul holds our emotions and our unique personalities. In that same frame of thought, do Angels and Fallen Angles also have Souls? Or are they merely just Spiritual beings.

Any and all responses are much appreciated.

the bible is made for humans, not for angels and it doesn't have a lot of information as to what these beings are (because it's not for them). any answer to this can only be speculation and will largely be built up from myth, not biblical insight.

Jen35 · Jun 5, 2019

There is no other spirit but the holy spirit which is of and from God. We are not ghosts. We all have souls but we have to be born again and receive the holy spirit which enters us and makes our soul renewed and spiritual and gives us a spiritual body, a holy one.

Jen35 · Jun 5, 2019

Without the holy spirit, we have no breath in us, therefore we have no life... Our souls need to be awaken and lifted up..and that doesn't happen until we become born again aware and alive in the spirit and Christ...

ViaCrucis · Jun 5, 2019

Jen35 said:
There is no other spirit but the holy spirit which is of and from God. We are not ghosts. We all have souls but we have to be born again and receive the holy spirit which enters us and makes our soul renewed and spiritual and gives us a spiritual body, a holy one.

The "spiritual body" of Scripture is the resurrected body, it's not something ephemeral, immaterial, or esoteric; it's bodily resurrection. This body of solid flesh will rise at Christ's coming. It is presently a "soulish body", soma psuchekos in Greek, it is raised a "spiritual body" soma pneumatikos. This is the only "spiritual body" Scripture speaks of.

-CryptoLutheran

Jen35 · Jun 5, 2019

ViaCrucis said:
The "spiritual body" of Scripture is the resurrected body, it's not something ephemeral, immaterial, or esoteric; it's bodily resurrection. This body of solid flesh will rise at Christ's coming. It is presently a "soulish body", soma psuchekos in Greek, it is raised a "spiritual body" soma pneumatikos. This is the only "spiritual body" Scripture speaks of.

-CryptoLutheran

Then what other spiritual body is there unless you mean like being spiritual and stuff through mind body and soul. Can people be spiritual without the holy spirit filled in them? Because I know without it we human beings are still a
dead and unaware in our souls and bodies, we don't become fully aware and our eyes aren't truly open until we are reborn and bathe into the holy ghost..I don't see how one can be spiritual without being fully aware and alive in sight maybe I am confused but what is the OP exactly talking about, maybe I need to learn more about spirituality because right now I'm not understanding what it means to be spiritual without being holy and alive in one spirit and body...

nonaeroterraqueous · Jun 5, 2019

fish_boyom said:
I am a firm believer of the trichotomy of man, being as we are made in the image of God, and as God is a trinity of persons, we are also made into three parts.

I'm not sure how far you go with that comparison, but I would regard a Trinitarian nature as necessarily attributable only to God. There is no possible finite analogy.

eleos1954 · Jun 5, 2019

fish_boyom said:
Greetings all,
I am a firm believer of the trichotomy of man, being as we are made in the image of God, and as God is a trinity of persons, we are also made into three parts. I will link an article to all those unfamiliar with this teaching at the end of this post.

I was curious, it is the Spirit that lives on after death but is it also the soul? As the Soul holds our emotions and our unique personalities. In that same frame of thought, do Angels and Fallen Angles also have Souls? Or are they merely just Spiritual beings.

Any and all responses are much appreciated.

The Receiving of Immortality.

The moment of the bestowal of the gift of immortality is described by Paul: "Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: 'Death is swallowed up in victory'" 1 Corinthians 15:51-54.

This makes it very clear that God does not bestow immortality upon the believer at death but at the resurrection, when "the last trumpet" sounds. Then "this mortal" shall "put on immortality." While John points out that we receive the gift of eternal life when we accept Jesus Christ as personal Saviour 1 John 5:11-13, the actual realization of this gift will take place when Christ returns (1st resurrection)

Only then will we (the saved) be changed from mortal to immortal, from corruptible to incorruptible.

When one experiences earthly death they (both saved and unsaved) are in an unconscious/dormant state (in the grave) and both will experience a resurrection. The 1st resurrection is of the saved when Christ returns (and THEN is when we become immortal) Later the 2nd resurrection (of the lost) occurs and (they do not receive immortality) they will be destroyed/consumed by eternal fire never to exist again.

ewq1938 · Jun 5, 2019

nonaeroterraqueous said:
I'm not sure how far you go with that comparison, but I would regard a Trinitarian nature as necessarily attributable only to God.

"trinity" simply means three of something. It can be 3 sticks, 3 stones, 3 horses...those are examples of trinities. Only in the religious sense does Trinity refer to the Father, Son and HS.

nonaeroterraqueous · Jun 5, 2019

ewq1938 said:
"trinity" simply means three of something. It can be 3 sticks, 3 stones, 3 horses...those are examples of trinities. Only in the religious sense does Trinity refer to the Father, Son and HS.

I'm no theologian, and I could easily be wrong, but I was under the impression that "Trinity" means that something is triune, a combination of the roots tri- and -une, meaning that it refers to something that is both three and one at the same time. Otherwise, its use in reference to God would be inherently polytheistic.

nonaeroterraqueous · Jun 5, 2019

ewq1938 said:
"trinity" simply means three of something.

At first blush it looks as though you might be right. Even so, this was not a semantic argument that you were responding to. God's Trinitarian nature still has no finite analogy. My argument stands.

bcbsr · Jun 5, 2019

fish_boyom said:
Greetings all,
I am a firm believer of the trichotomy of man, being as we are made in the image of God, and as God is a trinity of persons, we are also made into three parts. I will link an article to all those unfamiliar with this teaching at the end of this post.

I was curious, it is the Spirit that lives on after death but is it also the soul? As the Soul holds our emotions and our unique personalities. In that same frame of thought, do Angels and Fallen Angles also have Souls? Or are they merely just Spiritual beings.

Any and all responses are much appreciated.

The spirit deals primarily through the conscience and the intuition. I think of it as different than the mind in a similar way as there is a difference between having a conviction and having an understanding.

yeshuasavedme · Jun 5, 2019

fish_boyom said:
Greetings all,
I am a firm believer of the trichotomy of man, being as we are made in the image of God, and as God is a trinity of persons, we are also made into three parts. I will link an article to all those unfamiliar with this teaching at the end of this post.

I was curious, it is the Spirit that lives on after death but is it also the soul? As the Soul holds our emotions and our unique personalities...

YHWH is One uncreated self existing Spirit/Breath/LIFE, manifested in three Persons.
Consider the example we have in Scripture:
Adam spirit is our nature, our kind, our being, but fallen/dead to the LIFE since the fall, and we must be born again into the One Living Spirit of the One New Man/Christ (who is come in flesh as the Last human being “Firstborn” Father of the second human being creation), to have eternal Life in the flesh of regeneration of the New Man creation, in Him...
if not born again, into the One Living Spirit, then the old Adam nature of our flesh departs the flesh and our soul goes to wait for the resurrection of the old Adam flesh body. Spirit and soul are used interchangeably in the Word, but the unregenerate Adam spirit/ nature will never be raised in that flesh, and the resurrected old Adam flesh body of our Adam being, the person of our being/our soul, is then raised with no Hope for the regeneration of it into the image of the Son of God flesh of the New Man creation, and without hope for the change for the Glory.

If we do receive Him and are born of the Living Spirit, the Holy Seed of the New Man nature given to us in the Adoption of the Living Spirit, then we are regenerated in the body of Adoption, in the image of the One New Man. -That is our Hope of Glory.

We are, in Adam, one spirit/nature/kind, and made male and female persons/souls, with our own designed flesh body ordained for us from the beginning of creation, to dwell in, and which body is built by the Adam spirit according to the DNA pattern God ordained for us to “be”, when we would come into our Adam being.

YHWH is uncreated Living Spirit/Breath/Life, and He self exists in three Persons.
Adam is created spirit, a living soul, manifested in billions and billions -and so on- of persons, made male and female.
Adam is one created spirit, one created flesh, and billions and billions and billions...of persons/souls -all from the first, firstborn Adam creation person who was made in the image of God the Word who was to come, and is come. Genesis 1:28-29, and Romans 5:14.
YHWH is one Spirit, manifested in three Persons, and He is the father of the created spirits of all flesh kinds.

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