Proposals for helping sex crime victims choose to keep their babies

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It is well-known just making abortions illegal in some states will not solve any problems for the girls and women who got pregnant through incest or rape knowing they can't do much before their due dates and will be very distressed about many things at least until the baby is out.

My only abortion question for June 2019 is this: How do pro-life people think states can reduce the abortion rates without laws that will certainly be struck down in federal courts?
 
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It is well-known just making abortions illegal in some states will not solve any problems for the girls and women who got pregnant through incest or rape knowing they can't do much before their due dates and be very distressed about many things at least until the baby is out.

My only abortion question for June 2019 is this: How do pro-life people think states can reduce the abortion rates without laws that will certainly be struck down in federal courts?
preaching the gospel in the specific area of to kill babies
 
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Given the direction and velocity of the dominant culture's moral decline, I think we should expect that young women will continue to have unwanted pregnancies. One fundamental thing we should do is live the Gospel before a watching world. The world needs the love of Christ, and those young women need to know they are loved and valued by their heavenly Father. Then there won't be as much need for unhealthy hook-ups, and guys will think twice about irresponsible, unloving behavior. Then maybe the dominant culture itself will begin to be changed for the better.

Of course, caring practically for single women in need who do find themselves pregnant is a primary way to lower the abortion rate. As has been said, for most women, having an abortion is about as wanted as an animal chewing off its leg to escape a trap. I'm not saying we don't already do these things, but there is a need for more.

In short, the church needs a spiritual revival that radically affects our relationships and way of life.
 
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I read an article that details why women choose to abort their pregnancies with charted statistics.

Women of all races and ethnicities choose abortion. In 2014, 39% of abortion patients were white, 28% were black and 25% were Latinx. Similarly, women of all religious affiliations choose to end their pregnancies at similar frequencies.

Most of these women understand what it means to parent a child. More than half of abortion patients in 2014 were already mothers.

Poor women account for the majority of abortion patients. Fifty-three percent of women pay out-of-pocket for their abortion. The rest use private or state-funded insurance plans.

Women choose abortion for multiple reasons. The most common reason cited is that pregnancy would interfere with education, work or ability to care for dependents.

Financial stress also plays a major role in women's decision-making. Seventy-three percent of women reported that they could not afford a baby at the time. Nearly half cited relationship difficulties or wanting to avoid single motherhood. More than a third of women felt their families were complete.


Who are the 1 in 4 American women who choose abortion?
 
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I read an article that details why women choose to abort their pregnancies with charted statistics.

Women of all races and ethnicities choose abortion. In 2014, 39% of abortion patients were white, 28% were black and 25% were Latinx. Similarly, women of all religious affiliations choose to end their pregnancies at similar frequencies.

Most of these women understand what it means to parent a child. More than half of abortion patients in 2014 were already mothers.

Poor women account for the majority of abortion patients. Fifty-three percent of women pay out-of-pocket for their abortion. The rest use private or state-funded insurance plans.

Women choose abortion for multiple reasons. The most common reason cited is that pregnancy would interfere with education, work or ability to care for dependents.

Financial stress also plays a major role in women's decision-making. Seventy-three percent of women reported that they could not afford a baby at the time. Nearly half cited relationship difficulties or wanting to avoid single motherhood. More than a third of women felt their families were complete.


Who are the 1 in 4 American women who choose abortion?
Yes, over 98% of all abortions are done for convenience reasons. These abortions are without a doubt, immoral.
 
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Yes, over 98% of all abortions are done for convenience reasons. These abortions are without a doubt, immoral.

Yes and this article is a breakdown not only of what causes the immoral abortions overall but also several demographic groups. I have not seen any other reports about the most likely age and race of women who choose abortions, but mostly poor mothers doing it is predictable.
 
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Note I don't think the laws being struck down in Federal courts should stop legal efforts. It raises public awareness and gives an opportunity to challenge or further consider past Judicial precedence and whether it needs to be revised and updated (e.g. viability of the unborn child and medical improvements, concerning laws regulating late-term abortions or care for a child who's alive out of the womb surviving an abortion).

Now for the question, it's fair to ask what else other than the issue of abortion. There are underlying issues leading to abortions that need addressing. I think the first place to start would be preventing pregnancies, if women weren't getting pregnant they wouldn't be in desperate situations. I'm not sure what sex education is today, but more focus on personal responsibility and consequences would help. That as much as we can have safe sex, the chance of pregnancy remains. So before ever having sex all of us should consider "what if it does happen?". And if the circumstances aren't favorable like not having a long-term relationship (e.g. marriage), financial support (e.g. spouse, family), then it's best to wait.

Basically greater value should be given to relationships and family. How an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy would not only affect his or her lives, but the dependence they'll have on others for help. The difficult circumstances in mind before ever at the point of choosing abortion or not. To think about the child even before conception, whether the risk of pregnancy is worth the loss of the child's life.

Regarding incest and rape, also education about the responsibilities and consequences as well as moral consideration for others. Consensual incestuous sex and non-consensual sex should be strongly discouraged, while promoting healthy consensual and sexual relationships.

Additionally as I think about it possibly for those who can't wait or ever be prepared having responsibility for a child or more to consider permanent or long term birth control (e.g. vasectomies or I.U.D.) I'm not informed about all the available birth control, what is safest and most effective; but what little I know the two examples seem the most common for lasting or least long-term birth control. Honestly I rather have public promotion and funding of non-controversial birth control (e.g. not abortifacients) than abortion as the answer. Preferably at the state level considering constitutionality and limited government (e.g. checks and balances, separation of powers).
 
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Brotherly which state are you from? You seem to not know what sex education is taught in public schools. I could run down a long list of topics, but the only subject that matters is preaching abstinence. In eighth grade health, I learned all about the male and female reproductive systems and puberty. In ninth grade I also learned about every contraception method, with an emphasis on none of them being 100% effective. My teacher stated the effectiveness percentages of each contraceptive, but this was in 1993 so they likely are not the same today. I also learned about embryonic/fetal development and physical and psychological changes in the mother during and after pregnancy.
 
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I live in Virginia, if it's anything like what I was taught I have a general idea. But as I said don't know exactly what's taught today, if they teach what I posted that's great and hopefully the students are seriously taking it home (i.e. value and responsibility of relationships and sex). I agree, abstinence is ideal but sadly it doesn't seem something most people will or can do :(.
 
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It is well-known just making abortions illegal in some states will not solve any problems for the girls and women who got pregnant through incest or rape knowing they can't do much before their due dates and will be very distressed about many things at least until the baby is out.

My only abortion question for June 2019 is this: How do pro-life people think states can reduce the abortion rates without laws that will certainly be struck down in federal courts?

More cops and tougher penalties for sex crime violations.
 
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More patrols keeping neighborhoods safe

Except rape and incest happen inside homes, not around them. More cops patrolling an area help reduce a variety of other crimes. But how can they prevent a crime that usually happens in bedrooms?
 
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Except rape and incest happen inside homes, not around them. More cops patrolling an area help reduce a variety of other crimes. But how can they prevent a crime that usually happens in bedrooms?

I’m not sure where the majority of rapes take place. I would think more happen on the streets than in homes but I could be wrong. In either case more cops patrolling would still lessen the number of victims on the streets still resulting in less rape victims.
 
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My only abortion question for June 2019 is this: How do pro-life people think states can reduce the abortion rates without laws that will certainly be struck down in federal courts?
First off, not sure why your question is only aimed at pro-life advocates. I would hope that all people would be concerned with reducing the abortion rate.

That aside, to answer your specific question about how states can help reduce the abortion rates without laws, I would say they can’t without laws.

The only option without laws is for privately funded organizations to create programs that offer support to pregnant women.
 
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I targeted pro-lifers because they keep saying, "She can just give up the baby for adoption," like her life does not matter for 9 months. That is not to mean pro-choicers should be less concerned about it.

What laws would you recommend?
 
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I targeted pro-lifers because they keep saying, "She can just give up the baby for adoption, like her life does not matter for 9 months..."
Well this is a judgment of a person’s heart which I don’t think you’re in a position to make.

Just because a person says that the woman can give the baby up for adoption does not mean that they don’t care about the mother.

A person can care a lot about the mother and still think it’s wrong for the mother to kill their innocent unborn child.

What laws would I recommend? I would probably recommend an extension of the WICs program to extend the resources they already provide to ensure that rape victims have access to additional resources.
 
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