...shouldn't you be explaining that to thecolorsblend not me? He's the one who wanted to exchange words.
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The bulk of Warren's issues with the law are due to location. From the linked article:Then I guess we'll miss your perspective on this issue. Thanks for letting us know you won't be participating in this discussion.
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Warren encountered Kristen Perez-Villanueva and José Arnaldo Sacaria-Goday in the 860,000-acre Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, where the two had lost their backpacks containing food and water while being chased by border agents. Traversing the desert without food or water can be deadly. According to the Pima county medical examiner, 2,615 human remains were recovered between 2001 and 2016. Warren discovered 18 of those bodies.
That's considered littering on National Parks land.
And what would Jesus advise to people who leave food and water on an Air Force bombing range?
Aid workers leave water for border crossers in the Arizona desert. Now, the U.S. is banning them for it
Here's some food and water...Just watch out for those GBU-38s falling from 20,000ft.
The linked article above also points out the bombing range, which is federal land, is adjoined to the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge.
This summer, even as the Trump administration reiterated promises to build a wall and seal off the U.S.-Mexico border, the bombing range and the refuge added a clause to their access-permit application threatening to sue, fine or ban visitors for leaving behind food, water, medical supplies, blankets, footwear and other supplies humanitarian-aid workers leave for distressed border crossers.
Resource managers at the departments of Interior and Defense say the aid workers degrade the environment and that the restriction isn't new. All visitors to these federal lands, they note, already had to pack out anything they brought in.
But banning aid workers has not deterred them from entering these federal lands again to leave behind humanitarian-aid supplies or to search for lost, undocumented border crossers.
The clause isn't a new rule, said Sid Slone, the manager of Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge. “We beefed (the access-permit application) up to make it really clear so there’s no question in someone’s mind what the rules are.”
The refuge has banned fewer than a dozen people for leaving behind supplies such as water, Slone said.
The new clause in the access permit caught aid workers at No More Deaths off guard. They say they had been trying to work out an arrangement with the refuge and the bombing range for more access to drop humanitarian aid and conduct search-and-rescue missions.
Another non-profit humanitarian-aid group, Humane Borders, has a long-standing arrangement with the refuge to maintain stationary water tanks for border crossers to replenish their empty water bottles.
Everything the No More Deaths aid workers leave in the desert winds up as trash, Slone said, while the water tanks don’t generate added trash on the refuge.
Leaving supplies has a negative impact on the area’s habitat and wildlife, said Aaron Alvidrez, a wildlife biologist for the U.S. Air Force at the bombing range.
Resource managers at the departments of Interior and Defense say the aid workers degrade the environment and that the restriction isn't new. All visitors to these federal lands, they note, already had to pack out anything they brought in.
But banning aid workers has not deterred them from entering these federal lands again to leave behind humanitarian-aid supplies or to search for lost, undocumented border crossers.
The clause isn't a new rule, said Sid Slone, the manager of Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge. “We beefed (the access-permit application) up to make it really clear so there’s no question in someone’s mind what the rules are.”
The refuge has banned fewer than a dozen people for leaving behind supplies such as water, Slone said.
The new clause in the access permit caught aid workers at No More Deaths off guard. They say they had been trying to work out an arrangement with the refuge and the bombing range for more access to drop humanitarian aid and conduct search-and-rescue missions.
Another non-profit humanitarian-aid group, Humane Borders, has a long-standing arrangement with the refuge to maintain stationary water tanks for border crossers to replenish their empty water bottles.
Everything the No More Deaths aid workers leave in the desert winds up as trash, Slone said, while the water tanks don’t generate added trash on the refuge.
Leaving supplies has a negative impact on the area’s habitat and wildlife, said Aaron Alvidrez, a wildlife biologist for the U.S. Air Force at the bombing range.
Seems to me there is a safe and more secure way to feed and provide water to people coming from Mexico (and other countries) to the United States illegally. Perhaps become a missionary in the areas most impoverished causing the migration to the USA. All that takes is getting some vaccinations, a passport and depending on the country, a visa to enter that country. Basically just following the laws of the country one wants to enter. Or they can just enter that country illegally telling the authorities they report to a higher authority.
Now back to your posted article:
At this moment a Good Samaritan stands trial and may receive up to 20 years for fulfilling the basic call of his faith. Alas, our Latinxphobic laws—based on characterizing us as having lots of problems, bringing drugs, and being rapists—are suppressing the religious freedom of those like Warren who are, in their view, keeping Jesus’ teachings and saving lives.
He's not standing trial for being a good person. He's standing trial for breaking the law. Laws the Sierra Club has fought for over the past 60 years on National Parks lands. All Warren had to do was what some groups did...coordinate with the National Parks to put standing water tanks on Parks land.
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...and if they were trying to get in to heaven I might agree. I might also point out that in Matt. 25? some of the people were apparently criminals:
so apparently, to Jesus even criminals were to be treated with compassion.Matt. 25: 31-41 said:
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I am reluctant to judge or condemn Christians who want to aid anyone. That business is between them and God and I'd rather not be telling anyone what they can do when it comes to living out their faith. As far as a secular nation is concerned, I see no mandate to help and support aliens. All the gospels are aimed at individuals, not nations.
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Now the rest of the story on why Warren is facing a term of 20 years in prison:
TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — A border activist being tried in a federal court was helping two migrants with water, food and lodging last year and only intended "to provide basic human kindness," his lawyer told jurors Wednesday.
But prosecutors say they have evidence that 36-year-old Scott Daniel Warren conspired to harbor the migrants, and that they were not even in distress when they reached a private building used to provide aid to immigrants who just crossed the desert from Mexico into Arizona.
"This case is not about humanitarian aid," Walters said. "It's about Scott Warren and his decision to shield two illegal aliens from law enforcement."
The Arizona Daily Star reports Defense attorney Greg Kuykendall also said in his opening statement that prosecutors must prove his client intended to break the law to be found guilty in the case.
Scott Daniel Warren was arrested in 2018 when Border Patrol agents found him at a property used to provide aid to immigrants in Ajo, Arizona.
He's charged with harboring migrants and conspiring to transport and harbor two immigrant men found with him who were in the U.S. illegally.
Trial begins for border activist who helped migrants
But prosecutors say they have evidence that 36-year-old Scott Daniel Warren conspired to harbor the migrants, and that they were not even in distress when they reached a private building used to provide aid to immigrants who just crossed the desert from Mexico into Arizona.
"This case is not about humanitarian aid," Walters said. "It's about Scott Warren and his decision to shield two illegal aliens from law enforcement."
The Arizona Daily Star reports Defense attorney Greg Kuykendall also said in his opening statement that prosecutors must prove his client intended to break the law to be found guilty in the case.
Scott Daniel Warren was arrested in 2018 when Border Patrol agents found him at a property used to provide aid to immigrants in Ajo, Arizona.
He's charged with harboring migrants and conspiring to transport and harbor two immigrant men found with him who were in the U.S. illegally.
Trial begins for border activist who helped migrants
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...and if they were trying to get in to heaven I might agree. I might also point out that in Matt. 25? some of the people were apparently criminals:
so apparently, to Jesus even criminals were to be treated with compassion.
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Let me repeat that specific verse you bolded in your post, tulc. It states and I quote: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Christians can't treat other people with compassion because they've done something wrong or illegal?
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What do you think were the reasons 'the least of His brethren' were in prison and in need of a visit?
Biblical exegesis will be welcomed.
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"Warren, who is charged with conspiracy to transport and harbor two undocumented immigrants"
Therefore, this has nothing to do with feeding, clothing and providing water for illegal migrants. Which makes me think Warren needs a new lawyer. One who does not abuse the words of Christ out of context thus creating a pretext.
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...you should start a thread about that if you want to discuss exegesis. This thread is about what's in the OP.
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...he rescued them from the desert and took them to someplace safe where they could be helped. You must have missed that portion of the article after you got lost because someone used a word you didn't like?
so instead of leaving them to die he he did something else Biblical:
tulc(this story does seem to have a lot of Biblical things in it)Luke 10:33-35 said:
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Warren does not need a lawyer. He needs a theologian. A real one....you should start a thread about that if you want to discuss exegesis. This thread is about what's in the OP.
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He's not being charged for aiding their basic needs. Read the article I posted which actually lays out the charges against Warren.
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Sure does...reminds me of how the words of God are misused. Kind of like in Genesis 3:4b
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Yes indeed. If the accused (Warren) was just out there handing out MREs and water bottles, he would not be facing federal felony charges. The worst that could happen is violating Federal National Parks permit statutes. But he is being charged for harboring and transport of illegal immigrants. Which unbeknownst to Warren, he could have been aiding and abetting human sex trafficking and many other illegal and cartel related activities.
So feeding and providing water and even medical treatment would not put him in a federal prison. Harboring and transporting those who enter the country illegally would.
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...I'm sorry, I kind of lost what your point when it seemed like you were saying helping others was somehow "misusing the words of God"?
hmmm...kind of like when someone is doing exactly what Jesus commanded His followers to do in Matthew 25 but then someone else claiming He didn't really want us to do that?
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Yes, some of those entering the country are criminals. The drug smugglers, ms13, human traffickers etc.
so apparently, to Jesus even criminals were to be treated with compassion.
tulc(according to the above? failure to show compassion was so important it decided if you were a sheep or a goat)
That depends what you consider to be compassion.
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Was he going to turn them over to the border authority?...he rescued them from the desert and took them to someplace safe where they could be helped. You must have missed that portion of the article after you got lost because someone used a word you didn't like?
so instead of leaving them to die he he did something else Biblical:
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...no idea, do you have proof he was/wasn't? As I understand it he got them to a safe place, went to get some supplies for helping them and the border guys showed up when he got back.
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So...when Jesus said we were supposed to help people He meant only the people who were "worthy"? Because in the example He gave in the good Samaritan (which, it might help people understand just how radical that story is if people understood how the Jews in Jesus day viewed Samaritans) do you remember the part where the Samaritan first questioned the victim as to how good or bad he was? Because what I see is: he saw someone in need and did everything he could to help him. You might also look at that thing Jesus said in Matthew 25. Because I don't remember where Jesus said "You all get a pass on not helping the "unworthy" naked, sick, widows, orphans, people in prison."
I'd think it went along on these lines:
tulc(hopes that helps)Psalm 145:9 said:
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...no idea, do you have proof he was/wasn't? As I understand it he got them to a safe place, went to get some supplies for helping them and the border guys showed up when he got back.
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I have no idea. That's why I asked the question.
At what point would it become a crime?
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