Paul was still keeping the Feast Days years after Jesus death, but weren't they abolished?

Torah1st2019 · Jun 3, 2019

Shimshon said:
It appears to me that you are basing your doctrine on one verse, of which you don't understand in the first place. Yeshua was pointing the man to Himself in the commandments not the commandments themselves. The man based his relationship with God on the commandments, so Yeshua expected him to seek further into them that he may find Yeshua himself.

John 5
36 “But I have a testimony that is greater than Yochanan’s. For the things the Father has given me to do, the very things I am doing now, testify on my behalf that the Father has sent me.

37 “In addition, the Father who sent me has himself testified on my behalf. But you have never heard his voice or seen his shape; 38 moreover, his word does not stay in you, because you don’t trust the one he sent. 39 You keep examining the Tanakh because you think that in it you have eternal life. Those very Scriptures bear witness to me, 40 but you won’t come to me in order to have life!

In the case of this man Yeshua only had to remind him of the scriptures, he being a devoted man would eventually come to find the source of life mentioned in the scriptures. Not that this life comes merely by observing them.

Your doctrine falls flat when compared to the whole body/heart of God's Word. It's as false as a three dollar bill. And teaching it deceives the hearer of the Truth Yeshua speaks.

I am not basing my whole theology on one verse but this one verse clearly presents a problem. So do I ignore it and pretend it does not exist (in light of Matt 7:21-23 which states there will be MANY that are deceived) or do I compare it with the rest of Scripture and come to a coherent conclusion.

You know as well as I do that what you stated above is a bunch crap. It is a rationalization, something that your mind comes up with as a defense. Instead of fighting with me you should be thanking me for sharing what it took years to decipher.

Please explain these verses if the commandments are not applicable:

Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Eloah, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.l4For Eloah shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Revelation 22:14

Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Hebrews 5:9

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him;

Philippians 3:11

If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Philippians 2:12

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Matthew 5:17

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Revelation 2:23

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Matthew 5:20

For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:14

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Luke 13:23

Then said one unto him, Master, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matthew 7:22

Many will say to me in that day, Master, Master, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 21:36

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Luke 20:35

But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

Revelation 3:4

Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

Revelation 3:5

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 21:7

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his Eloah, and he shall be my son

Shimshon · Jun 3, 2019

Torah1st2019 said:
You know as well as I do that what you stated above is a bunch crap. It is a rationalization, something that your mind comes up with as a defense. Instead of fighting with me you should be thanking me for sharing what it took years to decipher.

I am and have been defending the gospel of Messiah. You on the other hand are the one fighting against it. I do not recognize your message nor your spirit as one who has an intimate relationship with God through Yeshua. Years to decipher? You have been entertaining the doctrine of demons if you believe you have a hidden knowledge that other don't. The gospel is available and understandable for all, and our response to it is to be that of a child. Not a perverse mouthed rebel who thinks that they have been revealed what others have not.

Not only do you teach a known heresy you do so by lording it over others. You display no knowledge of the indwelling of the HOLY Spirit that is supposed to be your guide and measure.

I know good and well the One whom I have accepted and serve. I have had an intimate relationship with him for decades. And you are not the first non-Jew who has tried to unravel what I as a born Jew have been taught about my savior.

Now, please try better to reign in your tongue. You unrighteousness is showing. And surely expect me to defend Yeshua when you attempt to demonize his message. The Gospel.

Torah1st2019 · Jun 3, 2019

Shimshon said:
I am and have been defending the gospel of Messiah. You on the other hand are the one fighting against it. I do not recognize your message nor your spirit as one who has an intimate relationship with God through Yeshua. Years to decipher? You have been entertaining the doctrine of demons if you believe you have a hidden knowledge that other don't. The gospel is available and understandable for all, and our response to it is to be that of a child. Not a perverse mouthed rebel who thinks that they have been revealed what others have not.

Not only do you teach a known heresy you do so by lording it over others. You display no knowledge of the indwelling of the HOLY Spirit that is supposed to be your guide and measure.

I know good and well the One whom I have accepted and serve. I have had an intimate relationship with him for decades. And you are not the first non-Jew who has tried to unravel what I as a born Jew have been taught about my savior.

Now, please try better to reign in your tongue. You unrighteousness is showing. And surely expect me to defend Yeshua when you attempt to demonize his message. The Gospel.

How is my knowledge hidden? I keep showing you the same verse. It is the verse that haunted me.

Of course you do not recognize my doctrine. You are "indoctrinated". Just answer the questions honestly.

Is Messiah a liar when He says "if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments"? or are your doctrines at fault?

It is not like He is asking you to take on some huge burden. Do not murder, or bear false witness, etc. C'mon most people do that. Learn about the 7 feasts and you will learn about the 7,000 year Plan of Salvation.

You know Tabernacles will be held during the millennium.

So the 4,000 years that the Jews kept the law was all a waste. The Creator did not know the difference between what is really right and wrong? The Torah was a waste of 4,000 years...

Shimshon · Jun 3, 2019

Torah1st2019 said:
Of course you do not recognize my doctrine. You are "indoctrinated". Just answer the questions honestly.

Are you familiar with projection? Because you are doing it. I have answered your questions plainly, and I've answered them in detail. You are obviously refusing to listen or understand because of your obvious immersion into the Hebrew roots movement. Just how many years have you been learning the Hebrew roots doctrine? And what denomination did you come out of?

When you say it took years for you to decipher something, and that others really don't know that they're saved, but you do because of your years of deciphering. And then attempt to teach others what you believe they do not know. That is bordering on Gnosticism, the belief that something hidden needs to be revealed, and that you have been revealed it and are now going to reveal it to others.

And this is one reason why I refer to your message as a doctrine of demons because Gnosticism is the occult, by definition that which is hidden yet has great knowledge.

Torah1st2019 · Jun 3, 2019

Yes, I know what projection is. I do not follow any group. I am not a Hebrew Roots person. I read Matt 7:21-23 on my own and it scared me. But I am convinced I found the answer. So that is why I ask others the question:

Is Messiah lying when He says "if you wilt enter into life, keep the commandments"?

Yes or No

Yes, because...

My answer-No, because if you don't do unto others as you would have them do unto you, you are breaking His commandments. It's that simple

Shimshon · Jun 3, 2019

Torah1st2019 said:
Please explain these verses if the commandments are not applicable

I never said the law is abolished, or done away with. I am saying that "our" righteousness is not determined by "our" observation of the law. Righteousness does not come from or through the law. And that God is not ministering the law in the same way. There is a difference between the law spoken to Moses and the law spoken by Yeshua through the Spirit. They are not applied the same way. But you're teaching the application is the same, no?

Torah1st2019 said:
Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Shimshon said:
This verse comes from a much larger context that when fully understood nullifies any chance of it commanding the keeping of the Law. We see in fact that Jesus was given Words to speak to His disciples, and these are the commands spoken of every time.

Don't assume that when Yeshua is saying my commands my words that he is referring to what God gave Moses. It's a Hebrew roots doctrine to assume that.

Not to mention that it is the command of God for all to believe in Yeshua for salvation. So following the commands of God is to believe in Yeshua for forgiveness of sins. And so, if the law reveals your sins, and Yeshua takes them away, what is the law for in the life of a believer?

Or have you not understood that the relationship between you and the Holy Spirit is one of cleansing?

Yeshua followed the commands of God and he showed and taught us what they were, he showed the full extent of his love, of God's love for us.

I've been trying to take off my sash and wipe your feet with the truth. Love grace and mercy abound greatly over sacrifice and duty.And if you knew the one who set you free you would understand these things.

He did not come to make it so you could perform for him he came so that he could perform the ultimate act of righteousness for you. All we need to do is believe and then we will be transformed into his likeness through his Holy Spirit that will come and be with us and live with us and teach us of all his ways.

We who know him are united as one with him. And we are not united through the law we are united through his Spirit that he imparts on each one of us.

This Spirit is beyond recognizable and echoes clearly and loudly everything that has ever been spoken. And you're trying to convince me that my relationship with him and everything that he's taught me for decades is a load of ........what?

Shimshon · Jun 3, 2019

Torah1st2019 said:
Yes, I know what projection is. I do not follow any group. I am not a Hebrew Roots person. I read Matt 7:21-23 on my own and it scared me. But I am convinced I found the answer. So that is why I ask others the question:

Is Messiah lying when He says "if you wilt enter into life, keep the commandments"?

Yes or No

Yes, because...

My answer-No, because if you don't do unto others as you would have them do unto you, you are breaking His commandments. It's that simple

No not the way you are understanding it. Or stating it. No, because God never gave you those commands. Yeshua never commanded those commands to you. Not the way you are alluding to. The law that you are alluding to is supposed to be written on your heart, and is done so through the power of the Spirit of God. The law given Moses is not ministered in the same way as the law given through the Spirit. The law of the Spirit is not the same, verbatim, as the law given Moses. And again you as a Gentile were never ever given the law that Moses was given for Israel.

Our faith fulfills the law because our faith promotes and brings about a relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. That is the command of God. And the message of Yeshua and a command that he was given by the Father. The Spirit of God keeps us, and cleanses us. He is the sin eater, there is no sin in his presence. If or when we sin if we go to him he removes it. This is the new ministration of the law. The law is of the Spirit.

Torah1st2019 · Jun 4, 2019

Shimshon said:
No not the way you are understanding it. Or stating it. No, because God never gave you those commands. Yeshua never commanded those commands to you. Not the way you are alluding to. The law that you are alluding to is supposed to be written on your heart, and is done so through the power of the Spirit of God. The law given Moses is not ministered in the same way as the law given through the Spirit. The law of the Spirit is not the same, verbatim, as the law given Moses. And again you as a Gentile were never ever given the law that Moses was given for Israel.

Our faith fulfills law because our faith promotes and brings about a relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. That is the command of God. And the message of you sure and a command that he was given by the Father. The Spirit of God keeps us, and cleanses us. He is the sin eater, there is no sin in his presence. If or when we sin if we go to him he removes it. This is the new ministration of the law. The law is of the Spirit.

What Messiah is telling you is that the law tells you either how to “love the Creator” or “love your neighbor”. Any commandment of Moses is going to fit into 1 of those categories. There is no time limit on morality or proper worship.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind... Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The Law is present during the millennium:

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The Law is present in the Garden:

An animal was sacrificed in the Garden of Eden to atone for sins and make a covering so as not to appear "naked" before AHYH. Genesis 3:21 Heb 9:22 without the shedding of blood no remission

Abel's offering was acceptable because he kept the commandment of a blood sacrifice according to AHYH's revealed will (Torah). Genesis 4:4

Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals. Noah sacrificed on an altar according to AHYH's commandment (revealed will). Genesis 8:20

And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Genesis 26:4-5

Was it a different law that Abraham was keeping? No!

Moses re-introduced Torah to the mixed-multitude who came out of Egpyt. Torah is eternal, the same today yesterday and forever.

Torah1st2019 · Jun 4, 2019

Shimshon said:
Righteousness does not come from or through the law.

Wrong. Messiah kept the law flawlessly and because of that He became the Sinless Sacrifice that takes away our sin. Violation of the law is sin 1Jo 3:4. It is a standard for right behavior.

If we are pardoned for murder, can we go out and kill again?

SAAN · Jun 4, 2019

The perfect example of who that verse would apply to are the type of people you work with or friends that go to church and know of a God or Jesus, but in reality don't really know them. Some might have confessed and believed as a teen and have never turned their life around and show zero difference between themself and the heathens. Others simply go to church on Xmas and Easter and maybe 1 or 2 other holidays, so they know of a few stories in the bible and believe in a God and live a worldly life against the will of God.

The bible says a good tree will bear good fruit, so if someone is a believer and has zero problems stealing, sleeping around, committing adultery, one can question if Matthew 7 would apply to them, in the sense that they never really knew Christ if they have next to zero regrets in how they live.

The law is supposed to show us our sins and our need for the Messiah. While no one can observe it perfectly, we should all strive for perfection for the parts of it that still apply to us.

Torah1st2019 · Jun 4, 2019

Shimshon said:
Don't assume that when Yeshua is saying my commands my words that he is referring to what God gave Moses. It's a Hebrew roots doctrine to assume that.

What? I don't know Hebrew roots doctrine. But I do know that Messiah was a Hebrew from the tribe of Judah. What other words/commandments would He be speaking about? He is not speaking on His own but is about His Fathers business, that is Scripture.

You do know that the Hebrew culture is a direct reflection of their interaction with the Creator, right?

Torah1st2019 · Jun 4, 2019

SAAN said:
... we should all strive for perfection for the parts of it that still apply to us.

Exactly! But also keep the 7 feasts (that is part of how you "love the Creator").

Torah1st2019 · Jun 4, 2019

Shimshon said:
Not to mention that it is the command of God for all to believe in you sure for salvation. So following the commands of God is to believe in Yeshua for forgiveness of sins. And so, if the law of reveals your sins, and Yeshua takes them away, what is the law for in the life of a believer?

AHYH does not change

[Isa 8:20 KJV] 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

[Rev 12:17 KJV] 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[Rev 14:12 KJV] 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Exd 24:7 KJV - And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the AHYH hath said will we do, and be obedient. This is the written Law/Torah

Exd 24:12 KJV - And the AHYH said unto Moses, “Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them”. These are instructions for the Tabernacle/Priesthood/Testimony

Two laws were given at Sinai, the Law of Moses (Ex 24:7) then the Law of Animal Sacrifice aka Tablets of the Testimony (Ex 24:12), just 5 verses apart.
Messiah replaced the Law of Animal Sacrifice at Calvary.

What we learn from the above verses is that there are 2 parts in AHYH’s system: (i) the rules of conduct and (ii) mercy for violation of those rules.

The Law in the life of a Believer are the rules of conduct.
Faith in the Blood Sacrifice is mercy for violating the rules.

The Creator is consistent.

SAAN · Jun 4, 2019

Torah1st2019 said:
Exactly! But also keep the 7 feasts (that is part of how you "love the Creator").

Honestly with those, you cant really keep them per scripture, since there is no temple and we cant go to Israel, but I guess you can say you are practicing them when you keep them now. Still makes more biblical sense than the RCC Holidays that all the effort is put into

Torah1st2019 · Jun 4, 2019

SAAN said:
Honestly with those, you cant really keep them per scripture, since there is no temple and we cant go to Israel, but I guess you can say you are practicing them when you keep them now. Still makes more biblical sense than the RCC Holidays that all the effort is put into

Absolutely. You do what you can or applies. Plenty of info out there on what you can do. I get a hotel room every Passover sometimes family comes, sometimes they don't. But you definitely skip the pagan counterfeit holidays. I have been saving a fortune in time/money since 1999 by skipping xmas.

Shimshon · Jun 4, 2019

Torah1st2019 said:
[Isa 8:20 KJV] 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Yeshua is the light of the world, the Word of God, and the one who's testimony we are commanded by God to hold. The law testifies about Yeshua. Yeshua does not testify about the law, he fulfills the law. Making it whole within your heart by placing his Spirit within us, as a gift.

Torah1st2019 said:
[Rev 12:17 KJV] 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Chris

The testimony of Yeshua is the command of God. To follow the commandments of God is to testify about Yeshua. And I don't mean just speak to others, or debate on a forum. Our very lives are to be a witness of the testimony of Yeshua. This is the command of God, and what all his commandments lead to and represent. All God's commandments testify about Yeshua. But, the testimony alone does not save you. You MUST come to the One who is offering the gift. You must become one with the Holy One of Israel.

Torah1st2019 said:
[Rev 14:12 KJV] 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Having faith in Yeshua IS the command of God. Today God is commanding ALL to come to Yeshua for life. This life is not in works of the law, but in union with the Holy One through his Spirit. Which is a gift when you place your faith in him. THESE are the commandments of God! That if you ignore you will be cut off from our people. Forever!

Torah1st2019 said:
Exd 24:7 KJV - And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the AHYH hath said will we do, and be obedient. This is the written Law/Torah

That was given Israel under ministry of Moses. Are you that Israel, are you under the ministry of Moses, or Yeshua?

Torah1st2019 said:
Exd 24:12 KJV - And the AHYH said unto Moses, “Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them”. These are instructions for the Tabernacle/Priesthood/Testimony

And you where there, your ancestors were there to be liable for this calling? This is the second proof you've used that shows you don't believe in the message of the prophets about the coming of our Messiah. You keep pointing to the testimony given Moses but you seem blind to the testimony of Yeshua the Messiah. As testified by the Torah, the Prophets and God himself from heaven. As well as the testimony that is with us continually throughout our day through the Spirit of God who is actively writing God's laws on our hearts. Not by rote rituals of a fulfilled covenant. God was among our ancestors, today he is within us.

Torah1st2019 said:
Two laws were given at Sinai, the Law of Moses (Ex 24:7) then the Law of Animal Sacrifice aka Tablets of the Testimony (Ex 24:12), just 5 verses apart.
Messiah replaced the Law of Animal Sacrifice at Calvary.

To a Jew you just said that our Messiah has replaced Judaism at the Cross. Such a Christian thing to say don't you think?

Torah1st2019 said:
What we learn from the above verses is that there are 2 parts in AHYH’s system: (i) the rules of conduct and (ii) mercy for violation of those rules.

The Law in the life of a Believer are the rules of conduct.

Faith in the Blood Sacrifice is mercy for violating the rules.

The Creator is consistent.

What you haven't seemed to learn yet is about repentance and the forgiveness of sins, and the gift of the Holy Spirit who becomes an intimate connection to God in your life. I mean, it's quite an intimate thing to expose and cleanse the sins in your life, everyday if needed. With the goal of not having you get so dirty all the time. In fact, it's even said that the Spirit can keep you safe till the day of your redemption. But I guess that only happens through faith in Yeshua's words, huh?

Torah1st2019 · Jun 4, 2019

Torah1st2019 said:
Wrong. Messiah kept the law flawlessly and because of that He became the Sinless Sacrifice that takes away our sin. Violation of the law is sin 1Jo 3:4. It is a standard for right behavior.

If we are pardoned for murder, can we go out and kill again?

I came back and looked at how I said what I said and I apologize for my tone. I would have not just said "Wrong" if I were talking with you face to face. I guess I was in a hurry because I was at work. Sorry for the tone.

BNR32FAN · Jun 4, 2019

SAAN said:
1 Corinthians 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

-Paul says we are to imitate him like he did Christ, so lets see what Paul did. Here are examples of 5 of the 7 feasts being kept.

Day of Pentecost
Acts 2:1
2 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place.

-How did the receive the holy spirit after Jesus died? They were observing the Day of Pentecost that Sunday.

Acts 20:16
16 For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus, so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be at Jerusalem, if possible, on the Day of Pentecost.

-Paul was hurrying to observe this feast and Jesus has been dead for years.

1 Corinthians 16:8
8 But I will tarry in Ephesus until Pentecost.

-Paul is keeping this feast in Ephesus.

Passover and Unleavened Bread
Acts 20:6(NKJV)
6 But we sailed away from Philippi after the Days of Unleavened Bread, and in five days joined them at Troas, where we stayed seven days.

-Why even mention Unleavened Bread, if it was abolished and no longer being observed. Acts 12:1-4
12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread

1 Corinthians 5:7-8
7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.[a] 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

-Paul here is telling the New Testament Christians to keep the Passover and Unleavened bread

1 Corinthians 11:23-25
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat;[a] this is My body which is broken[b] for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

-Paul is describing the New Testament Passover service, that Jesus established with His disciples on the night before His crucifixion. From the above passages we see that Paul commanded the Gentiles in the city of Corinth to keep Gods Holy Days.

Acts 12:1-4
12 Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church. 2 Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 3 And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread. 4 So when he had arrested him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four squads of soldiers to keep him, intending to bring him before the people after Passover.

-Verse 3 shows that they were keeping the Passover and Unleavened bread

Feast of Tabernacles
Acts 18:20-21
20 When they asked him to stay a longer time with them, he did not consent, 21 but took leave of them, saying, “I must by all means keep this coming feast in Jerusalem; but I will return again to you, God willing.” And he sailed from Ephesus.

The Day of Atonement
Acts 27:9-10
9 Now when much time had been spent, and sailing was now dangerous because the Fast was already over, Paul advised them, 10 saying, “Men, I perceive that this voyage will end with disaster and much loss, not only of the cargo and ship, but also our lives.”

-Paul is referring to the Fast on the Day of Atonement. Luke wrote the book of Acts many years after Christ’s death and he referred to the Day of Atonement calling it the “Fast”

So why was Paul still observing all of these Feasts years after Christ death, if they were abolished and no longer needed?

Wouldnt Paul have received the revelations on the road to Damascus, when Jesus revealed himself to him that they were no longer needed?

They could certainly still honor God by celrbrating the Passover feasts and as well as others. They are not forbidden.

Torah1st2019 · Jun 4, 2019

Shimshon said:
Yeshua is the light of the world, the Word of God, and the one who's testimony we are commanded by God to hold. The law testifies about Yeshua. Yeshua does not testify about the law, he fulfills the law. Making it whole within your heart by placing his Spirit within us, as a gift.

You realize that I am just quoting old testament verses to posit the concept that the Creator has been saying the same thing over and over for centuries. "If they speak not according to this word there is no light in them." So if you are preaching without the Torah and the Testimony, you do not have "Light/Messiah". Think about it. The Creator is speaking through Isaiah.

Shimshon · Jun 4, 2019

Torah1st2019 said:
You realize that I am just quoting old testament verses to posit the concept that the Creator has been saying the same thing over and over for centuries. "If they speak not according to this word there is no light in them." So if you are preaching without the Torah and the Testimony, you do not have "Light/Messiah". Think about it. The Creator is speaking through Isaiah.

The Torah is not the light, the Torah leads to the light. The Torah is not life, the Torah leads to life. The Torah is not Yeshua, the Torah leads and points to Yeshua.

Yeshua is the light, the way and the truth, the Torah testifies and leads to Yeshua. Yeshua is the life, the Torah leads one to Yeshua for life, and righteousness.

What you seem convinced of is that the Torah leads to Yeshua who then leads you back to the Torah. Can you not see how you have been fooled down a dead end road? The enemy has used the very law itself to turn you back around and go backwards, so denying you the path to righteousness which is a life in union with Yeshua. He seems to have convinced you to use the Torah as a mirror and place it as the center of God's world and command. By doing this he has prevented you from moving to the actual presence of God. The Torah is supposed to lead you to Yeshua, and Yeshua is supposed to lead you to God, the presence of God and eternal life.

True, God does not change. But there has been a change in the priesthood and so there is a transformation of the law. And all of this was foretold and commanded.

Paul was still keeping the Feast Days years after Jesus death, but weren't they abolished?

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