Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

claninja · Jun 4, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
And yet you concur with others that Christ received all promises, covenants, and blessings given by God to anyone who came before

I'm trying to understand this statement, so correct me if I am wrong. You seem to be stating that I agree with others that Christ received all promises, covenant, and blessings given by God to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the 12 tribes?

I believe the promises (PLURAL) made to Abraham and his offspring were to Christ, as the offspring is Christ according to the revelation given by Paul.

Galatians 3:16 The promises (plural) were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,” meaning One, who is Christ.

I believe the old covenant was only a shadow of Christ, given to the 12 tribes as a gaurdian until the coming of Christ.

galatians 3:25 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.

Colossians 2:17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Hebrews 10:1 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities.

Hebrews 9:9-10 According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.

As I believe the OT points to Christ, I believe all the promises of God are found fulfilled in Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20 all the promises of God find their Yes in him

OldWiseGuy said:
Considering that it is certainly dumb luck that the birthright promise as well as the other prophetic blessings of Genesis 49 should so fit the latter day nations mentioned in the theory. If it looks like a duck...

I think this is where I am struggling to understand you. You appear to use the term birthright interchangeably with the prophetic blessings given by Jacob. However, this is not the case, as shown in post 772, the birthright and blessings are not the same.

Birthright: double portion inheritance
Jacob's Blessing to sons: prophetic of what would occur in the latter days.

Here's how I view Jacob's prophetic blessings:

From the tribe of Judah, Jesus would come
Genesis 49:10 The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the staff from between his feet,c
until Shiloh comes and the allegiance of the nations is his

From the house of Joseph, through Ephraim, a multitude of nations would come.
Genesis 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful vine, a fruitful vine by a spring, whose branches scale the wall.
Genesis 48:19 But his father refused. “I know, my son, I know!” he said. “He too shall become a people, and he too shall be great; nevertheless, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his offspring shall become a multitude of nations.”

jgr · Jun 4, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
Ephraim was not excluded, but is represented by Joseph. "Joseph" and "Ephraim" are often used interchangeably. However Manasseh always refers to Manasseh.

Unlike Joseph and Manasseh, he was excluded because of his association with affliction and bondage.

claninja · Jun 4, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
So the disciples, Israelites, won't be ruling over the tribes of Israel in the kingdom as Jesus stated? And the sealed/elect aren't a special people, the 144,000 Israelites?

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The kingdom would come at the ascension of Christ and casting out of satan from heaven

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down-he who accuses them day and night before our God.

the regeneration would occur with the work of the spirit after Christ's ascension.

Titus 3:5 He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and regeneration by the Holy Spirit.

When did the disciples go with the authority of Christ, judging Israel? When Christ ascended to the throne and sent the spirit:

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 4, 2019

OldWiseGuy said: ↑
And the 144,000 are Israelites.

jgr said:
They are the OT representative of the faithful and obedient remnant of the Israelites.

Yes. From both the Nation of Israel and the Nation of Judah

Jesus made them 1 nation at and after the Cross

Ezekiel 37:22
“and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel;
and one king shall be king over them all;
they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.

12 Tribes of Revelation 7

1. Judah = "I will praise the Lord" 2. Reuben = "He has looked on me" 3. Gad = "Granted good fortune" 4. Asher = "Happy am I" 5. Naphtali = "My wrestling" 6. Manasseh = "Making me to forget" 7. Simeon = "God hears me" 8. Levi = "Joined to me" 9. Issachar = "Purchased Me" 10. Zebulun = "Dwelling" 11. Joseph = "God will add to me" 12. Benjamin = "Son of His right hand"

In the OT:
Genesis 29:31-35 Genesis 30:1-22 Genesis 35:17-19

1. Reuben 2. Simeon 3. Levi 4. Judah 5. Dan 6. Naphtali 7. Gad 8. Asher 9. Issachar 10. Zebulun 11. Joseph 12 Benjamin

Leah: 1 Reuben 2 Simeon 3 Levi 4 Judah 9 Issachar 10 Zebulun
Rachel 11 Joseph 12 Benjamin
Bilhah [Rachel's maid] 5 Dan 6 Naphtali
Zilpah [Leah's maid] 7 Gad 8 Asher

New House New Stones
John in Tabernacle Revelation

Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1

1. gate--Altar of Sacrifice---1st Curtain-----East side------Judah Issachar Zebulun

2. the Lampstand------South Side----Simeon, Gad, Reuben

3. the Golden Altar of Incense--2nd Curtain-- Ark and Mercy Seat------West side------Ephraim, Benjamin, Manasseh

4. the Showbread Table----North side-----Dan, Napthali, Asher

Ezekiel 48:

The Portion for the Tribes

1Now these are the names of the tribes:
From the north end, beside the way of Hethlon to the entrance of Hamath, Hazar Enan at the border of Damascus, northward beside Hamath, (and they shall have their sides east [and] west), Dan, one [portion]. 2By the border of Dan, from the east side to the west side, Asher, one [portion]. 3By the border of Asher, from the east side even to the west side, Naphtali, one [portion]. 4By the border of Naphtali, from the east side to the west side, Manasseh, one [portion]. 5By the border of Manasseh, from the east side to the west side, Ephraim, one [portion]. 6By the border of Ephraim, from the east side even to the west side, Reuben, one [portion]. 7By the border of Reuben, from the east side to the west side, Judah, one [portion].

The Portion for Remaining Tribes

23As for the rest of the tribes: from the east side to the west side, Benjamin, one [portion]. 24By the border of Benjamin, from the east side to the west side, Simeon, one [portion]. 25By the border of Simeon, from the east side to the west side, Issachar, one [portion]. 26By the border of Issachar, from the east side to the west side, Zebulun, one [portion]. 27By the border of Zebulun, from the east side to the west side, Gad, one [portion]. 28By the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar to the waters of Meribath Kadesh, to the brook [of Egypt], to the great sea. 29This is the land which you shall divide by lot to the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their several portions, says the Lord Yahweh.

OldWiseGuy · Jun 4, 2019

jgr said:
They are the OT representatives of the faithful and obedient remnant of the Israelites.

There may have been a few from the OT days but most were martyred for Christ.

OldWiseGuy · Jun 4, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Yes. From both the Nation of Israel and the Nation of Judah

Jesus made them 1 nation at and after the Cross

Ezekiel 37:22
“and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel;
and one king shall be king over them all;
they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.

12 Tribes of Revelation 7

1. Judah = "I will praise the Lord" 2. Reuben = "He has looked on me" 3. Gad = "Granted good fortune" 4. Asher = "Happy am I" 5. Naphtali = "My wrestling" 6. Manasseh = "Making me to forget" 7. Simeon = "God hears me" 8. Levi = "Joined to me" 9. Issachar = "Purchased Me" 10. Zebulun = "Dwelling" 11. Joseph = "God will add to me" 12. Benjamin = "Son of His right hand"

In the OT:
Genesis 29:31-35 Genesis 30:1-22 Genesis 35:17-19

1. Reuben 2. Simeon 3. Levi 4. Judah 5. Dan 6. Naphtali 7. Gad 8. Asher 9. Issachar 10. Zebulun 11. Joseph 12 Benjamin

Leah: 1 Reuben 2 Simeon 3 Levi 4 Judah 9 Issachar 10 Zebulun
Rachel 11 Joseph 12 Benjamin
Bilhah [Rachel's maid] 5 Dan 6 Naphtali
Zilpah [Leah's maid] 7 Gad 8 Asher

New House New Stones
John in Tabernacle Revelation

Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1

1. gate--first veil/curtain--------East side------Judah Issachar Zebulun
2. the Lampstand--------------South Side----Simeon, Gad, Reuben
3. the Golden Incense Altar----West side------Ephraim, Benjamin, Manasseh
4. the Showbread Table--------North side-----Dan, Napthali, Asher

Ezekiel 48:

The Portion for the Tribes

1Now these are the names of the tribes:
From the north end, beside the way of Hethlon to the entrance of Hamath, Hazar Enan at the border of Damascus, northward beside Hamath, (and they shall have their sides east [and] west), Dan, one [portion]. 2By the border of Dan, from the east side to the west side, Asher, one [portion]. 3By the border of Asher, from the east side even to the west side, Naphtali, one [portion]. 4By the border of Naphtali, from the east side to the west side, Manasseh, one [portion]. 5By the border of Manasseh, from the east side to the west side, Ephraim, one [portion]. 6By the border of Ephraim, from the east side even to the west side, Reuben, one [portion]. 7By the border of Reuben, from the east side to the west side, Judah, one [portion].

The Portion for Remaining Tribes

23As for the rest of the tribes: from the east side to the west side, Benjamin, one [portion]. 24By the border of Benjamin, from the east side to the west side, Simeon, one [portion]. 25By the border of Simeon, from the east side to the west side, Issachar, one [portion]. 26By the border of Issachar, from the east side to the west side, Zebulun, one [portion]. 27By the border of Zebulun, from the east side to the west side, Gad, one [portion]. 28By the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar to the waters of Meribath Kadesh, to the brook [of Egypt], to the great sea. 29This is the land which you shall divide by lot to the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their several portions, says the Lord Yahweh.

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Zebulon doesn't appear to be a "haven for ships" on this map. Nor is his border "unto Zidon", which was actually within the territory of Asher according to some scholars.

Genesis 49:13
Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon.

However the Netherlands fulfills all of the prophecies concerning Zebulon, with the exception of the "borders of Zidon".

parousia70 · Jun 4, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
The time setting is "the Day of the Lord", which hasn't happened yet.

AD 66-70 was the greatest Day-of-the-Lord event in Israel's history, and was, unquestionably, the one Christ's followers spoke of mere decades before it transpired. This was the same Day of the Lord concerning which the apostles stated they would remain alive unto its passing (1 Thess 5:2-4,23; Phil 1:6,10; Heb 10:25,36-39; 1 Cor 1:7-8; 1 Cor 5:5). Due to the covenantal significance of the event, that Day of the Lord's vengeance (cf. Luke 21:20-22; Isa 61:2; Jer 46:10) can never be repeated. There is no equal to the level of devastation millions of Messiah-rejecting Jews endured as they were violently excommunicated out of covenant with God (Matt 21:40-45; Acts 3:22-24).

Jesus wielded Rome's powers as Jehovah had wielded the powers and kings of Babylon and Persia as his own anointed servants in His previous "Day of the Lord" judgments (Jer 25:9; Isa 44:28-45:13). That's how the Day of the Lord judgments work! Rome continued so that the Church would overtake it as the stone of Daniel 2 that became a giant mountain over the whole earth. The pagan Roman Empire was destroyed.

That great and terrible Day of the Lord struck at the headquarters of opposition. Apostate Jerusalem, a.k.a. the great city Mystery Babylon (Rev 14:8/11:8 ), was responsible for the persecution of Christ and the apostles and prophets. They used the power of Rome to persecute the Church worldwide after killing Christ himself. For that, all of the blood shed on the earth from Able unto the time of Christ was to be avenged upon their generation according to Matt 23:31-36. All torah-observant, Christ-rejecting Jews in the Roman Empire were destroyed in Jerusalem in that great and terrible wrath of AD 67-70. The judgment came at that time (1 Peter 4:17; cf Jn 12:31), for the end of all things was then at hand (1 Peter 4:7; 2 Tim 4:1)--the end of the age had come.

Furthermore, the vengeance of God in those last days (Heb 1:1-2; James 5:3; Acts 2:15-17) had worldwide impact. A last-days famine hit the whole empire (Acts 11:28 ), God was striking down kings (Acts 12:20-23) as well as the emperor-gods (Nero, Galba, etc), Rome burned, and the world Temple of Jupiter was destroyed in AD 69. That Day of the Lord, the greatest of all those before it, did come upon the whole world as prophesied. Christ's Church emerged victorious and has become the greatest, most wondrous kingdom/empire known to mankind.

NONE OF THIS NEGATES THE FUTURE TO US COMING TESTIFIED IN THE CREEDS.

The Scriptures speak of Christ's coming in vengeance against Old Covenant Israel, which took place on time, as promised, before some of those who heard Christ utter the specific warning Had died.

The Creedal coming reflects a long held Church understanding that the 1st century Judgement coming against Israel forshadows, in some fashion, Christ's future to us Coming to consummate the cosmos, however, neither scripture nor the creed contains any specific teaching about the time, manner and nature of that future to us event. (Deuteronomy 29:29)

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 4, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Yes. From both the Nation of Israel and the Nation of Judah

Jesus made them 1 nation at and after the Cross

Ezekiel 37:22
“and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel;
and one king shall be king over them all;
they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.

OldWiseGuy said:
Zebulon doesn't appear to be a "haven for ships" on this map. Nor is his border unto Zidon.

Genesis 49:13
Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon.

Ok...............Took me almost 2 hours to prepare and post that and you reply with a simple sentence and verse.......Is that all you got?

Here's a challenging thread for ya.........

Revelation 15:18 "...NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ENTER SANCTUARY......"

Revelation 15:8
And is being replete the Sanctuary<3485> of smoke out of the Glory of the God and out of the power of Him.
And no one was able to be entering into the Sanctuary<3485> until should be being finished<5055> the seven blows/stripes of the seven Messengers

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 4, 2019

OldWiseGuy said: ↑
The time setting is "the Day of the Lord", which hasn't happened yet.

parousia70 said:
AD 66-70 was the greatest Day-of-the-Lord event in Israel's history, and was, unquestionably, the one Christ's followers spoke of mere decades before it transpired. This was the same Day of the Lord concerning which the apostles stated they would remain alive unto its passing (1 Thess 5:2-4,23; Phil 1:6,10; Heb 10:25,36-39; 1 Cor 1:7-8; 1 Cor 5:5). Due to the covenantal significance of the event, that Day of the Lord's vengeance (cf. Luke 21:20-22; Isa 61:2; Jer 46:10) can never be repeated. There is no equal to the level of devastation millions of Messiah-rejecting Jews endured as they were violently excommunicated out of covenant with God (Matt 21:40-45; Acts 3:22-24).

Jesus wielded Rome's powers as Jehovah had wielded the powers and kings of Babylon and Persia as his own anointed servants in His previous "Day of the Lord" judgments (Jer 25:9; Isa 44:28-45:13). That's how the Day of the Lord judgments work! Rome continued so that the Church would overtake it as the stone of Daniel 2 that became a giant mountain over the whole earth. The pagan Roman Empire was destroyed.

That great and terrible Day of the Lord struck at the headquarters of opposition. Apostate Jerusalem, a.k.a. the great city Mystery Babylon (Rev 14:8/11:8 ), was responsible for the persecution of Christ and the apostles and prophets. They used the power of Rome to persecute the Church worldwide after killing Christ himself. For that, all of the blood shed on the earth from Able unto the time of Christ was to be avenged upon their generation according to Matt 23:31-36. All torah-observant, Christ-rejecting Jews in the Roman Empire were destroyed in Jerusalem in that great and terrible wrath of AD 67-70. The judgment came at that time (1 Peter 4:17; cf Jn 12:31), for the end of all things was then at hand (1 Peter 4:7; 2 Tim 4:1)--the end of the age had come.

Furthermore, the vengeance of God in those last days (Heb 1:1-2; James 5:3; Acts 2:15-17) had worldwide impact. A last-days famine hit the whole empire (Acts 11:28 ), God was striking down kings (Acts 12:20-23) as well as the emperor-gods (Nero, Galba, etc), Rome burned, and the world Temple of Jupiter was destroyed in AD 69. That Day of the Lord, the greatest of all those before it, did come upon the whole world as prophesied. Christ's Church emerged victorious and has become the greatest, most wondrous kingdom/empire known to mankind.

NONE OF THIS NEGATES THE FUTURE TO US COMING TESTIFIED IN THE CREEDS.

The Scriptures speak of Christ's coming in vengeance against Old Covenant Israel, which took place on time, as promised, before some of those who heard Christ utter the specific warning Had died.

The Creedal coming reflects a long held Church understanding that the 1st century Judgement coming against Israel forshadows, in some fashion, Christ's future to us Coming to consummate the cosmos, however, neither scripture nor the creed contains any specific teaching about the time, manner and nature of that future to us event. (Deuteronomy 29:29)

I agree.
Doesn't that also apply to the Amill view? Can one be both Preterist and Amill?

The Partial Preterist Believers Safe House

Amillennialism Safe House

ebedmelech said:
Partial preterist and Amillennials are pretty close to a great degree. I found this out listening to and reading Kim Riddlebarger as well as R.C.Sproul.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/index.html

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ItIsFinished! · Jun 4, 2019

jgr said:
Precisely, mkgal1. British Israelism, along with its sibling dispensationalism, represents another attempt to “racialize” the gospel and Scripture, utilizing RB (Replacement Biology) to attempt to replace Scripture's identifications of faith and obedience as the only covenant DNA that God has ever recognized.

Both must be unrelentingly repudiated as the heresies and heterodoxies that they represent.

How in the world do you equate British Israelism with Dispensationlism ?
The rest of your post is complete arrogant rubbish.

ItIsFinished! · Jun 4, 2019

jgr said:
They are the OT representatives of the faithful and obedient remnant of the Israelites.

12,000 males from the 12 tribes sealed by God to proclaim the gospel during the tribulation period.
To be concise.

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 4, 2019

mkgal1 said: ↑
The one article states, "The British-Israelites - to give them their present name, which seems to have replaced the former title of Anglo-Israelites-are now sufficiently numerous to put out a great amount of literature, run a weekly magazine, and even to contemplate the founding of a new theological college, on the ground that no existing college is faithful in its interpretation of Scripture."

.....that should be a giant red flag to people. That's what cults claim - that they are the ONLY holder of "truth and true faithfulness".
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jgr said:
Precisely, mkgal1. British Israelism, along with its sibling dispensationalism, represents another attempt to “racialize” the gospel and Scripture, utilizing RB (Replacement Biology) to attempt to replace Scripture's identifications of faith and obedience as the only covenant DNA that God has ever recognized.

Both must be unrelentingly repudiated as the heresies and heterodoxies that they represent.

Well, there is a Queen mentioned in Revelation. Doesn't England have a Queen that reigns from London?

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 18
7 ‘As much as She glorifies Herself and indulges so much, be giving to Her torment<929> and sorrow<3997>.
That in Her heart She is saying: 'I am sitting a Queen,and a Widow not I am being,
and sorrow not no I shall seeing.'
8 Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows, death and sorrow and famine.
And in fire She shall be utterly burned<2618>,that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.

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LittleLambofJesus · Jun 4, 2019

ItIsFinished! said:
12,000 males from the 12 tribes sealed by God to proclaim the gospel during the tribulation period.
To be concise.

The 12 apostles and Paul were doing that in the 1st century

Jas 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad:
Greetings.

I seem to recall hearing him telling the 1st century Israelites that the "parousia of the Lord" was near.

Didn't he write before 70ad? Did he deceive his fellow 1st century kinsmen/tribesmen?

James 5:8
be ye patient! also stand-fast! the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

Oh yeah. His bro Peter also said that [before 70ad]

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things yet the End<5056> is nigh<1448>
be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,

Didn't Peter, James and Paul die before the wrath and fury of God fell upon Jerusalem in 70ad?

Peter and Paul's departure
Peter and Paul's departure

2 peter 1:14 Having known that speedily is the putting off of the booth/skhnw-matoV <4638> of me, according as also the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, makes evident to me.

2 Timothy 4:6 For I am already being poured out and the time of the my up-loosing/ana-lusewV <359> is come.
7 The ideal contest I have contested, the run/race I have finished, the faith I have kept:

WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS 1ST CENTURY ISRAEL, JUDEA AND JERUSALEM

Matthew 24:6
Ye shall be being about yet to be hearing battles and tidings of battles<4171>.
Be seeing no! be being frightened<2360> for is binding to be becoming,
but not yet is the end<5056>.

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CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62

Act 12:1
Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church.
Act 12:2
Then he killed James, the brother of John with the sword.
Act 12:3
And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread.

James, brother of Jesus - Wikipedia

James the Just, or a variation of James, brother of the Lord (Latin: Iacomus from Hebrew: יעקב Ya'akov and Greek: Ἰάκωβος Iákōbos, can also be Anglicized as "Jacob"),
was an early leader of the Jerusalem Church of the Apostolic Age, to which Paul was also affiliated. He died in martyrdom in 62 or 69 AD.

Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, as well as some Anglicans and Lutherans, teach that James, along with others named in the New Testament as "brothers"[note 1] of Jesus, were not the biological children of Mary, but were possibly cousins of Jesus[4] or step-brothers from a previous marriage of Joseph (as related in the Gospel of James).[5][note 2]

Roman Catholic tradition generally holds that this James is to be identified with James, son of Alphaeus, and James the Less.[9] It is agreed by most that he should not be confused with James, son of Zebedee.[1]

James the Just was "from an early date with Peter a leader of the Church at Jerusalem and from the time when Peter left Jerusalem after Herod Agrippa's attempt to kill him, James appears as the principal authority who presided at Council of Jerusalem."[16]

The Pauline epistles and the later chapters of the Acts of the Apostles portray James as an important figure in the Christian community of Jerusalem. When Paul arrives in Jerusalem to deliver the money he raised for the faithful there, it is to James that he speaks, and it is James who insists that Paul ritually cleanse himself at Herod's Temple to prove his faith and deny rumors of teaching rebellion against the Torah (Acts 21:18ff).[note 3]

Paul describes James as being one of the persons to whom the risen Christ showed himself,[note 4] and in Galatians 2:9, Paul lists James with Cephas (better known as Peter) and John the Apostle as the three "pillars" of the Church.[17]

jgr · Jun 4, 2019

ItIsFinished! said:
How in the world do you equate British Israelism with Dispensationlism ?
The rest of your post is complete arrogant rubbish.

Try reading the post before you respond.

jgr · Jun 4, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
There may have been a few from the OT days but most were martyred for Christ.

There was a faithful and obedient remnant during the entire OT, seven thousand at one point alone (1 Kings 19:18), to which Paul alludes (Romans 11:4,5). He refers to the entire OT remnant, quoting Isaiah, in Romans 9:27.

Over the 2,000 year entirety of the OT, there would have been many thousands.

ItIsFinished! · Jun 4, 2019

jgr said:
Try reading the post before you respond.

Quite presumptuous are we not.
I did read the post , therefore effort was made equaling "try" as you so pleasantly stated that I do.
For the fact that you DID NOT answer a simple question (no surprise) is quite telling.
Please carry on .

jgr · Jun 4, 2019

ItIsFinished! said:
Quite presumptuous are we not.
I did read the post , therefore effort was made equaling "try" as you so pleasantly stated that I do.
For the fact that you DID NOT answer a simple question (no surprise) is quite telling.
Please carry on .

PD (Premillennial Dispensationalism) elevates Jewish physical DNA over spiritual DNA.
BI (British Israelism) elevates British physical DNA over spiritual DNA.
Physical DNA (aka racialization, per the post) equates them.

keras · Jun 4, 2019

Israelites: All who follow after righteousness, all who seek the Lord…..Abraham is your father, Sarah your mother: the Rock from which you are hewn. Isaiah 51:1-2

Leviticus 26:40-43 Even though the Israelites confess their iniquity, their own and that of their forefathers, I in My turn will oppose them while they live in the enemies land. If then, their stubborn spirit is broken and they accept their punishment in full, I shall remember My Covenant with the Patriarchs and I shall remember the Land. The Land, bereft of its rightful people will enjoy in full its Sabbaths, while it lies desolate. My people will pay their penalty in full because they spurned My statutes and judgements.

Leviticus 26:44-45 Yet, even while they live outside their Land, I will not have so rejected them as to bring them to an end and break My Covenant with them, because I am the Lord their God. I shall remember on their behalf, the Covenant that I made with their ancestors, whom I brought out of Egypt. I am Y’hovah.

Deuteronomy 30:1-5 When all these things have happened to you in the nations to which I have banished you, if you and your children turn back to the Lord and obey His commands with your heart and soul: Then the Lord, your God will restore your fortunes. In compassion for you, He will gather you again from the peoples, even from the ends of the earth. He will fetch you home, back to the land of your ancestors and you will occupy it once again. You will be more prosperous and numerous than your forefathers.

Deuteronomy 30:6-10 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts, so that you will love Him and obey His commands, and then you will live. All the curses that you endured will be turned against your enemies, those who persecute you. He will make you more prosperous in all that you do, in your families and the produce of the Land. When you turn back to your God with all your heart, He will again rejoice over you and do you good.

The prayer of Daniel for the Redemption and Restoration of all the Israelites;

Daniel 9:4-14 Lord, great and terrible God, You keep faith with those who love You and observe Your commandments, we have sinned and rebelled against You. We have not listened to Your prophets, who spoke in Your Name to our forefathers. Lord, the right is on Your side; the shame, now as ever belongs to us, the people of Judah and to all the Israelites, near and far in every land to which You have banished them for their disloyal behaviour toward You. All Israel has broken Your Law and refused to obey Your commandments, so that the oath and curses recorded by Moses have rained down upon us, for we have sinned against God. He has carried out the just punishments and brought upon us the disasters as foretold. Yet we have done nothing to appease the Lord, our God; we have neither repented of our wrongful deeds, nor remembered that You are true to Your Word. The Lord has kept strict watch and done what He said He would do.

Daniel 9:15-19 Now, Lord our God who brought Your people out of Egypt by a strong hand and winning for Yourself a great Name; we have sinned, we have done wrong. Lord, by all Your saving deeds; we beg that Your wrath and anger depart from Jerusalem and Your Land. Listen, our God, to Your servants prayer and supplication for Your sake, Lord look favourably on Your sanctuary that is desecrated. God, incline Your ear to Your people, and hear us, we pray. It is not because of any righteous doings of ours, but because of Your great mercy that we lay our supplication before You. Lord; hear, Lord; forgive, Lord; listen and act, God for Your own sake do not delay, for reputation of the city and for the people that bear Your Name.
Who ARE the Christians today!

Acts 26:6-7 In the hope based on the promise God made to our forefathers, all twelve tribes of Israel worship with intense devotion, looking forward to the fulfilment of that promise. Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.

Since Jesus came and extended salvation to all who would accept it, every Christian is an Israelite of God. Galatians 6:16 Every faithful Christian is a holy child of God.
But God's secret is that the majority of the Christians are, in fact - descendants of Jacob.

keras · Jun 4, 2019

jgr said:
PD (Premillennial Dispensationalism) elevates Jewish physical DNA over spiritual DNA.
BI (British Israelism) elevates British physical DNA over spiritual DNA.
Physical DNA (aka racialization, per the post) equates them.

Arguments about DNA or how there is genetic mixing over many generations, are worthless.
God does have a secret; He knows who His People are, Amos 9:9, and it is veiled from us. This is so we must strive to attain that citizenship in His nation; it isn't automatic by descent.
We see that in Ezekiel 20:34-38, where all the tribes are gathered and judged. those who revolt and rebel will not enter the holy Land. Isaiah 35:1-10

jgr · Jun 4, 2019

keras said:
Arguments about DNA or how there is genetic mixing over many generations, are worthless.
God does have a secret; He knows who His People are, Amos 9:9, and it is veiled from us. This is so we must strive to attain that citizenship in His nation; it isn't automatic by descent.
We see that in Ezekiel 20:34-38, where all the tribes are gathered and judged. those who revolt and rebel will not enter the holy Land. Isaiah 35:1-10

keras said:
Arguments about DNA or how there is genetic mixing over many generations, are worthless.

Absolutely worthwhile as they demonstrate the irrelevance of DNA as any covenant criterion which God recognizes.

keras said:
God does have a secret; He knows who His People are, Amos 9:9, and it is veiled from us.

It is no secret who His People are. They are recognized by their faith and obedience in and to Him and His Son.

Nothing more or less.

Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

Did event of Israel 1948 fulfill any Bible prophecy?

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