Sola Fide (Faith Alone) Sets the Record Straight

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People lie against Faith Alone to say it is a promotion of living in sin. It is the very reason, as Paul taught Faith Alone in Galatians that He had to stop and ask if Christ is a Promoter of Sin.

It doesn't contrive within the heart of man.

This accusation is nearly 2000 years old.

OK, I showed you several things that Christ said we must do or we go to hell, and you are still in denial of them. You indicate we are saying Christ is a promoter of sin, but it is not the truth, we are saying just the opposite Christ has told us if we don't act tight, then we go to hell. I personally don't see that as him promoting sin but saying we need to have some degree of goodness and not live how we like.

But as always with OSAS, they wan to live as they like so...
 
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Sure... because God had said He would meet our needs. So if we stand in expectation (that is a passive action) then expecting Him to meet those needs because we heard His promise in the Word is faith.

It always amazes me how often I have seen folks have a problem reconciling what Paul said and what James said. But the great faith chapter, Hebrews 11, gives example after example of hearing and doing and then that combination being "faith." Noach heard God about the flood and built the boat. Abraham heard God about moving and he moved. Moses heard God about the rod and he held it out. Hear and do.. :)

Blessings.
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Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is vindicated, substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-24).

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony* :)
 
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OK, I showed you several things that Christ said we must do or we go to hell, and you are still in denial of them. You indicate we are saying Christ is a promoter of sin, but it is not the truth, we are saying just the opposite Christ has told us if we don't act tight, then we go to hell. I personally don't see that as him promoting sin but saying we need to have some degree of goodness and not live how we like.

But as always with OSAS, they wan to live as they like so...

Christ defeated the very gates of SHEOL. HELL is the Lake of Fire.

Those who refuse to BELIEVE will go there.

I even addressed your accusation in this very post, of the OP. You did read it?
 
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Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is vindicated, substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-24).

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony* :)

Thank you, Brother! Your encouragement towards the Easy Yoke, in Christ, to all the Brethren, is deeply appreciated.
 
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How about a serious one.

Was Jesus Life, Death, Burial, Resurrection and Ascension sufficient to Save you and Lead you into Unity with HIM?

It's a Binary Yes or No

Matthew 5:37

After all... 1 Corinthians 1:18

Yes, of course it is, if we let it, we have to do as he said in order to make that work, have true faith, not just say we do. i told you your tricky little questions designed to say "if you disagree with me you need to feel guilty fro saying christ isn't sufficient" aren't going to work here. Go try them on some poor seeker that is looking for the truth, suck them into the lie, and see how that works out for you. I'd be ashamed, as well as scared to death to do that to those sincerely seeking God.

Now it's your turn... Can we ignore what Christ told us we must do in order to make it to heaven and still get to heaven because we are saved no matter what? Is that in line with what you call faith?

I answered yes or no, so again, now it's your turn.
 
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Yes, of course it is, if we let it, we have to do as he said in order to make that work, have true faith, not just say we do. i told you your tricky little questions designed to say "if you disagree with me you need to feel guilty fro saying christ isn't sufficient" aren't going to work here. Go try them on some poor seeker that is looking for the truth, suck them into the lie, and see how that works out for you. I'd be ashamed, as well as scared to death to do that to those sincerely seeking God.

Now it's your turn... Can we ignore what Christ told us we must do in order to make it to heaven and still get to heaven because we are saved no matter what? Is that in line with what you call faith.

I answered yes or no, so again, now it's your turn.
Believe. That’s the work of God. He takes care of the rest. He supplies the Gospel Workman’s needs.

He does the do’s.

We simply Believe. No sorcery there. We are molded by His hands to Love...

Easy Yoke.
 
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Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is vindicated, substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-24).

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony* :)
Not sure what you said that is really any different than what I said. We hear God and we obey... or act... or stand in expectation (depending on what He said) and the fact that we heard and acted is faith. Anything beyond that is religion adding to God's word.
 
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He loved us first. Jesus made the first move. His Love is the first Work. Our Response is simply response to His Love which has been manifested as True.

It's like being given a lottery ticket that is a guaranteed winner. We simply need to grasp it, take it, hold on to it firmly and not let this world pry it from our hands.. :)

Once the Father fully draws us... it becomes a matter of the world trying to pry us from His hands.. (Good luck with that :p) Once the Father Grasps us, the ticket is no longer a carnal matter. We're simply waiting for the payout. :D
This reminds me of a wonderful hymn:

I sought the Lord, and afterward I knew
He moved my soul to seek Him, seeking me;
It was not I that found, O Savior true;
no, I was found of Thee.

Thou didst reach forth Thy hand and mine enfold;
I walked and sank not on the storm-vexed sea;
'Twas not so much that I on Thee took hold,
as Thou, dear Lord, on me.

I find, I walk, I love; but O the whole
of love is but my answer, Lord, to Thee!
For Thou wert long beforehand with my soul;
always Thou lovedst me.


Were it not for God's initiating, sustaining, and committing to save His people, none of us would have a single shred of hope.
 
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This reminds me of a wonderful hymn:

I sought the Lord, and afterward I knew
He moved my soul to seek Him, seeking me;
It was not I that found, O Savior true;
no, I was found of Thee.

Thou didst reach forth Thy hand and mine enfold;
I walked and sank not on the storm-vexed sea;
'Twas not so much that I on Thee took hold,
as Thou, dear Lord, on me.

I find, I walk, I love; but O the whole
of love is but my answer, Lord, to Thee!
For Thou wert long beforehand with my soul;
always Thou lovedst me.


Were it not for God's initiating, sustaining, and committing to save His people, none of us would have a single shred of hope.

Praise Jesus! What a beautiful Hymn!
 
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OK, I showed you several things that Christ said we must do or we go to hell, and you are still in denial of them. You indicate we are saying Christ is a promoter of sin, but it is not the truth, we are saying just the opposite Christ has told us if we don't act tight, then we go to hell. I personally don't see that as him promoting sin but saying we need to have some degree of goodness and not live how we like.

But as always with OSAS, they wan to live as they like so...
And what’s the measurement for goodness? Is Christ the standard because if he is then it will be a struggle for any human being to measure up on their own works. Doesn’t matter how much better they think they are then the next person unless they have attained perfection, they have failed. So that would put them in the same boat as all of the other’s who have failed, including myself. In which we all are people who need Jesus because we weren’t capable to do it by our own doing. Now is that an excuse to not have any remorse in the areas that each of us struggle with? Absolutely not.... does it mean we should ask for forgiveness, of course we should... but to think we are somehow better or superior to anybody because our understanding may be different from another’s about scripture or we feel like we don’t sin as much as the next person so therefore we have a step up is a rather weird way of thinking to me. And it could just be me that I don’t quite understand as much as I should yet.
 
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Faith Alone is our part.
Said nowhere in the Bible.

And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

Salvation and Sanctification is HIS PART.
Everything is God's part friend. Faith, works, salvation, sanctification.

All Glory Goes to Jesus!
Something we can agree on. Amen.
 
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Said nowhere in the Bible.

And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

Everything is God's part friend. Faith, works, salvation, sanctification.

Something we can agree on. Amen.

Does Mankind have a choice to make after they hear the Gospel?

Matthew 13
 
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The problem I have seen in this thread seems to be from differing interpretations of scripture, or interpretations of other individuals and what they mean. I see where both sides are getting at, but we are from the same coin... if we believe in Jesus Christ alone. That one word "believe" has been twisted to mean something else when indeed it means something very deep, likewise the word "faith". If we do not learn from Christ, where are we getting our doctrine? I've had to question myself with this recently because God has opened my eyes a second time: Mark 8:22-26

Surface level believing in Jesus Christ is easy, having superficial faith in Jesus Christ is easy. Yes, we all have to start somewhere in our walk with Him, meaning we have different levels (measurements) of faith given to us: Romans 12:1-4
How to we grow in Christ? We grow by having that same measure of faith and place it in Jesus Christ only, like how a mother hears her baby cry - so does Jesus give us milk as a spiritual infant. By years we grow physically, but by searching Jesus Christ in His Word is what makes us grow spiritually, thus increasing faith given to us from God.

Look at it this way as Jesus Himself said: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 14:6

Why is He the way? Because He provided it since the beginning. (Genesis)

Why is He the truth? Because He is the Word manifest made in the image of man (Son of Man) Who, although sinless, became sin for our sake and died on the cross - nailing the law to Himself giving us Grace.

Why is He the Life? He died and rose again on the 3rd day giving us that same opportunity to be with Him. Jesus Christ is the only One Who saves, giving us the invitation of Grace and the gift of Salvation.

Jesus Christ says many many things throughout the Bible that should not be taken lightly. He truly has shown us the Way, Truth and Life in God's Word from beginning to end. :yellowheart:
 
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And what’s the measurement for goodness? Is Christ the standard because if he is then it will be a struggle for any human being to measure up on their own works. Doesn’t matter how much better they think they are then the next person unless they have attained perfection, they have failed. So that would put them in the same boat as all of the other’s who have failed, including myself. In which we all are people who need Jesus because we weren’t capable to do it by our own doing. Now is that an excuse to not have any remorse in the areas that each of us struggle with? Absolutely not.... does it mean we should ask for forgiveness, of course we should... but to think we are somehow better or superior to anybody because our understanding may be different from another’s about scripture or we feel like we don’t sin as much as the next person so therefore we have a step up is a rather weird way of thinking to me. And it could just be me that I don’t quite understand as much as I should yet.

The choice of words was unfortunate, as only God can be called “good”. The word “faith” is used in the text to mean “loyalty” , again wrongly chosen to mean “belief”.

If we then re examine the teaching, faith is enough because we have an objective test for loyalty: right response in the right situation.

Consider the members of the church in the Book of Acts. Some were born again, agreed being loyal to the world was futile, and could see the kingdom of God, the fulfilled life of those who came out of Egypt, wanted to be perfect, mature, and followed God. Others were also born again, and actually came out of Egypt and followed God, actually entered the kingdom of God.

Both those who agreed and those who came out were loyal. There was no compulsion to come out of Egypt, claim to be able to build a house and risk being unable to complete, they were free to do what they wished with all that they possessed, as long as they negotiated terms of peace.
 
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Does Mankind have a choice to make after they hear the Gospel?

Matthew 13
Yup, he has to make a choice to believe God, love God, trust God, obey God's commandments, and do good works, which are all ultimately attributable to God.
 
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Yup, he has to make a choice to believe God, love God, trust God, obey God's commandments, and do good works, which are all ultimately attributable to God.
Ananias and Sapphira confessed God was better than the world, but they were free not to act on it. No compulsion to do any of those deeds you listed.
 
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To All Who Will Hear:

The Water and Bamboo Analogy is a false premise of how "works" actually function.
Jesus compares His work done through us as fruit.
Jesus's example is a more accurate analogy.
John the Baptist says bring forth fruits worthy of repentance.
So it is Synergistic. We have to cooperate and walk with God by obeying His commands.
God is not going to obey for us.
In fact, most Belief Alone Proponents will turn back around and say that you can sin a little bit and still be saved on some level by having a belief alone on Jesus as long as you generally live a holy life. For they say that sin does not separate them from God. They believe that if they sin, they do not lose their salvation. So what of holy living then? It is non-existent. If one believes they can sin and still be saved, then there is no incentive to actually live holy. Some will cry out otherwise, but what of those who hear their message that says they can sin a little and still be saved? What if those who hear their message decide to sin all the time and think they are saved? Are they still saved because they started sinning too much vs. sinning a little? Does a smaller amount of serious sin really make the situation morally better than say a person who commits bad sin all the time? Will not those who preached to them that they are saved despite being in sin be responsible?

Anyway, we have to remember that Jesus said a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. But the Belief Alone Proponent will have me believe otherwise.
 
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