Sola Fide (Faith Alone) Sets the Record Straight

Grip Docility · Jun 3, 2019

Faith Alone is not the denial that "Initial Belief" (In Jesus, being God the Son Who Died, was Buried and Rose on the Third Day)... is our WORK... because Jesus taught us it is John 6:28-29.

Faith Alone is not a secret teaching that suggests we should Increase our Sins because they're paid for like an indulgence.

Faith Alone is not a loop hole to sin without sorrow.

Faith Alone is not a way of denying that Christians are led by The HOLY SPIRIT of Christ to Bear The Galatians 5:22-23.

Faith Alone forever Confesses 1 John 1:8

Faith Alone does not, and never will suggest that Jesus cannot Overcome Horrible struggles with Sin, in our lives, for us.

Faith Alone does not deny that God works miracles.

Faith Alone is our part. (Romans 4:1-6)

Salvation and Sanctification is HIS PART.

All Glory Goes to Jesus!

crossnote · Jun 3, 2019

I take it that faith alone is the work of God...

John 6:29 NKJV
[29] Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

Grip Docility · Jun 3, 2019

crossnote said:
I take it that faith alone is the work of God...

John 6:29 NKJV
[29] Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

He loved us first. Jesus made the first move. His Love is the first Work. Our Response is simply response to His Love which has been manifested as True.

It's like being given a lottery ticket that is a guaranteed winner. We simply need to grasp it, take it, hold on to it firmly and not let this world pry it from our hands..

Once the Father fully draws us... it becomes a matter of the world trying to pry us from His hands.. (Good luck with that

) Once the Father Grasps us, the ticket is no longer a carnal matter. We're simply waiting for the payout.

icxn · Jun 3, 2019

The question is, do we really have faith...

Quote from the Desert Fathers:

Abba Doulas, the disciple of Abba Bessarion said, 'One day when we were walking beside the sea I was thirsty and I said to Abba Bessarion, "Father, I am very thirsty." He said a prayer and said to me, "Drink some of the sea water." The water proved sweet when I drank some. I even poured some into a leather bottle for fear of being thirsty later on. Seeing this, the old man asked me why I was taking some. I said to him, "Forgive me, it is for fear of being thirsty later on." Then the old man said, "God is here, God is everywhere."

Grip Docility · Jun 3, 2019

icxn said:
The question is, do we really have faith...

Quote from the Desert Fathers:

Abba Doulas, the disciple of Abba Bessarion said, 'One day when we were walking beside the sea I was thirsty and I said to Abba Bessarion, "Father, I am very thirsty." He said a prayer and said to me, "Drink some of the sea water." The water proved sweet when I drank some. I even poured some into a leather bottle for fear of being thirsty later on. Seeing this, the old man asked me why I was taking some. I said to him, "Forgive me, it is for fear of being thirsty later on." Then the old man said, "God is here, God is everywhere."

Beautiful Analogy...

John 3:8

Ken Rank · Jun 3, 2019

icxn said:
The question is, do we really have faith...

"Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."

"Faith without works is dead, being alone."

And from these two we know that true faith is hearing the Word of God and acting on what we hear. So the answer to your question is yes, if the definition of faith is hearing and doing. If your definition is belief, which is common today... then this doesn't fit. But, faith isn't only belief... one can believe without hearing the Word of God.

icxn · Jun 3, 2019

Ken Rank said:
..."Faith without works is dead, being alone."

Isn't that what the story illustrates? The old man (Abba Bessarion) believed what Christ said in Matthew 6:25-34 and acted upon it.

Matthew 6:25 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. 34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

Grip Docility · Jun 3, 2019

Ken Rank said:
"Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God."

"Faith without works is dead, being alone."

And from these two we know that true faith is hearing the Word of God and acting on what we hear. So the answer to your question is yes, if the definition of faith is hearing and doing. If your definition is belief, which is common today... then this doesn't fit. But, faith isn't only belief... one can believe without hearing the Word of God.

Aha! I agree with you. James isn't arguing against faith alone. James is agreeing with Jesus, where John 15 is written.

I'll craft an analogy...

Lets say there is a mighty body of water...

A piece of Bamboo can divert some of this water to be diverted by a system of Bamboo, for 100's of miles.

The Bamboo will have this water flowing from it, as long as it stays "in" the original water source. This is Faith.

The water is not our own and merely flows through us as a result of our Faith.

Ken Rank · Jun 3, 2019

icxn said:
Isn't that what the story illustrates? The old man (Abba Bessarion) believed what Christ said in Matthew 6:25-34 and acted upon it.

Matthew 6:25 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. 34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

Sure... because God had said He would meet our needs. So if we stand in expectation (that is a passive action) then expecting Him to meet those needs because we heard His promise in the Word is faith.

It always amazes me how often I have seen folks have a problem reconciling what Paul said and what James said. But the great faith chapter, Hebrews 11, gives example after example of hearing and doing and then that combination being "faith." Noach heard God about the flood and built the boat. Abraham heard God about moving and he moved. Moses heard God about the rod and he held it out. Hear and do..

Blessings.
Ken

Ken Rank · Jun 3, 2019

Grip Docility said:
James isn't arguing against faith alone. James is agreeing with Jesus, where John 15 is written.

I'll craft an analogy...

Lets say there is a mighty body of water...

A piece of Bamboo can divert some of this water to be diverted by a system of Bamboo, for 100's of miles.

The Bamboo will have this water flowing from it, as long as it stays "in" the original water source. This is Faith.

The water is not our own and merely flows through us as a result of our Faith.

You misunderstood me. I was not pitting James against Paul... I am reconciling the two verses. Both are correct... we hear and we do, that is faith. Like I just posted above to icxn, Hebrews 11 gives us examples of faith. Abraham heard God and was told to move and he moved. Moses heard God about holding the rod out and he held the rod out. Noach heard God about the flood and the boat and he built it. In each case (and many more we all can list) one hears and then acts on what they hear.

Blessings.
Ken

PS... good analogy by the way

Grip Docility · Jun 3, 2019

Ken Rank said:
Sure... because God had said He would meet our needs. So if we stand in expectation (that is a passive action) then expecting Him to meet those needs because we heard His promise in the Word is faith.

It always amazes me how often I have seen folks have a problem reconciling what Paul said and what James said. But the great faith chapter, Hebrews 11, gives example after example of hearing and doing and then that combination being "faith." Noach heard God about the flood and built the boat. Abraham heard God about moving and he moved. Moses heard God about the rod and he held it out. Hear and do..

Blessings.
Ken

I will say this... Noah was a type for God. The Ark is the type for Jesus. By faith, "we get on the ark".

Jesus did the Ark building. It is in this matter that many people miss the mark.

Grip Docility · Jun 3, 2019

Ken Rank said:
You misunderstood me. I was not pitting James against Paul... I am reconciling the two verses. Both are correct... we hear and we do, that is faith. Like I just posted above to icxn, Hebrews 11 gives us examples of faith. Abraham heard God and was told to move and he moved. Moses heard God about holding the rod out and he held the rod out. Noach heard God about the flood and the boat and he built it. In each case (and many more we all can list) one hears and then acts on what they hear.

Blessings.
Ken

PS... good analogy by the way

Well, Amen, Then.

Kenny'sID · Jun 3, 2019

Grip Docility said:
Faith Alone is not a secret teaching that suggests we should Increase our Sins because they're paid for like an indulgence.

Yet people do that anyway, and 'faith only?" tells them they can....all they want to.

If you love me you will keep my commandments.

Grip Docility · Jun 3, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
Yet people do that anyway, and 'faith only?" tells them they can....all they want to.

If you love me you will keep my commandments.

Every Christian has different struggles. As for the Commandments... that's a completely different topic.

I understand what you are saying. I would suggest that this is more of an assumption, than an actual practice.

Freedom for one may be different that freedom for another.

May the Love you Jesus Christ bless, keep and forever comfort you.

Kenny'sID · Jun 3, 2019

Grip Docility said:
Every Christian has different struggles. As for the Commandments... that's a completely different topic.

I understand what you are saying. I would suggest that this is more of an assumption, than an actual practice..

No, it is not an assumption at all, people here have admitted to it and I've seen it in real life. Some of, if not the, meanest most uncaring, selfish people I know believe in faith only, and refuse to see what real faith means so they have no reason to do good when they can have a lot more fun doing otherwise and still reach the same goal.

Grip Docility · Jun 3, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
No, it is not an assumption at all, people here have admitted to it and I've seen it in real life. Some of, if not the, meanest most uncaring, selfish people I know believe in faith only, and refuse to see what real faith means so they have no reason to do good when they can have a lot more fun doing otherwise and still reach the same goal.

Many people masquerade under religion of various types. Works, Faith Alone, Works plus Faith, Denomination XYZ, Catholic, Protestant... and so on and so forth.

How does scripture say we will be known?

John 13:35

We don't know the heart... only God does. Faith Alone is Salvation. Words void of gratitude that typically opens a human soul's door to the Holy Spirit's work are between those people and God.

This is the best I can respond.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you.

Kenny'sID · Jun 3, 2019

Grip Docility said:
Many people masquerade under religion of various types. Works, Faith Alone, Works plus Faith, Denomination XYZ, Catholic, Protestant... and so on and so forth.

How does scripture say we will be known?

John 13:35

We don't know the heart... only God does. Faith Alone is Salvation. Words void of gratitude that typically opens a human soul's door to the Holy Spirit's work are between those people and God.

This is the best I can respond.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you.

All well and good but beside the point.

Faith only supposedly allows people to act like the devil if they like and still go to heaven. And yes, many if not most of them relies on just that, but it's a lie that will lead to a very bad ending, yet you all continue to teach it.

That is correct, right? they can supposedly act like they want and still get to heaven?

IOW, supposedly they don't have to keep the commandments as Jesus said they did if they love him, because faith covers it all and their saving "faith" does not mean they have to obey Christ.

Nor, supposedly, do they have to do as Christ says here because once again, their so-called faith does not mean they have to obey Christ, or even God for that matter (part of the real meaning of faith):

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Nor do they need to concern themselves with this, or any part of God's word that tells them if they don't act right, they go to Hell. For some reason they have a free ticket to do these things in spite of what the bible says:

1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.

EDIT:

And they aren't "masquerading". In their minds they think they are saved as long as they say they have faith, and they can still do things the bible says they cannot because that's what Faith Only teaches..

Am I wrong about any of that?

Grip Docility · Jun 3, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
All well and good but beside the point.

Faith only supposedly allows people to act like the devil if they like and still go to heaven. And yes, many if not most of them relies on just that, but it's a lie that will lead to a very bad ending, yet you all continue to teach it.

That is correct, right? they can supposedly act like they want and still get to heaven?

IOW, supposedly they don't have to keep the commandments as Jesus said they did if they love him, because faith covers it all and their saving "faith" does not mean they have to obey Christ.

Nor, supposedly, do they have to do as Christ says here because once again, their so-called faith does not mean they have to obey Christ, or even God for that matter (part of the real meaning of faith):

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Nor do they need to concern themselves with this, or any part of God's word that tells them if they don't act right, they go to Hell. For some reason they have a free ticket to do these things in spite of what the bible says:

1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were.

EDIT:

And they aren't "masquerading". In their minds they think they are saved as long as they say they have faith, and they can still do things the bible says they cannot because that's what Faith Only teaches..

Am I wrong about any of that?

I am faith only, and I have been very clear on the matter. We all fall short. Let all men work out their salvation with fear and trembling.... visa vi... focus on their own need for Jesus.

MDC · Jun 3, 2019

Grip Docility said:
Faith Alone is not the denial that "Initial Belief" (In Jesus, being God the Son Who Died, was Buried and Rose on the Third Day)... is our WORK... because Jesus taught us it is John 6:28-29.

Faith Alone is not a secret teaching that suggests we should Increase our Sins because they're paid for like an indulgence.

Faith Alone is not a loop hole to sin without sorrow.

Faith Alone is not a way of denying that Christians are led by The HOLY SPIRIT of Christ to Bear The Galatians 5:22-23.

Faith Alone forever Confesses 1 John 1:8

Faith Alone does not, and never will suggest that Jesus cannot Overcome Horrible struggles with Sin, in our lives, for us.

Faith Alone does not deny that God works miracles.

Faith Alone is our part. (Romans 4:1-6)

Salvation and Sanctification is HIS PART.

All Glory Goes to Jesus!

Sola fide is justification by faith alone in Christ alone apart from the works of men. Sola fide separates the true gospel from counterfeits. Sola fide is salvation by grace alone

Grip Docility · Jun 3, 2019

MDC said:
Sola fide is justification by faith alone in Christ alone apart from the works of men. Sola fide separates the true gospel from counterfeits. Sola fide is salvation by grace alone

Paul is rather adamant about this in Galatians. I'm going to have to agree with you.

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