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Virginia Beach shooting leaves 11 dead at municipal center - CNN

Although, given how often this happens, does it still count as news?

Thoughts and prayers, blah de blah.

Must admit I am getting kind of numb to this. Though of course it is right to pray for the victims families and for those who are wounded to make a recovery.

Not sure I understand how a public building in the USA , where most people have guns , did not have armed security officers and some kind of vetting of people coming in and out of the building for guns. Also I guess questions should be asked as to how this man with clear psychological problems got a gun. Also apparently you can carry a gun in a public building in the state but not a school or a court, does that make any sense when these sorts of incidents are increasingly occurring.

The state Senators and Governor may need to do more than pray, some alteration of the rules regarding guns in the workplace, adequate security etc is needed also.
 
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Must admit I am getting kind of numb to this. Though of course it is right to pray for the victims families and for those who are wounded to make a recovery.

Not sure I understand how a public building in the USA , where most people have guns , did not have armed security officers and some kind of vetting of people coming in and out of the building for guns. Also I guess questions should be asked as to how this man with clear psychological problems got a gun. Also apparently you can carry a gun in a public building in the state but not a school or a court, does that make any sense when these sorts of incidents are increasingly occurring.

The state Senators and Governor may need to do more than pray, some alteration of the rules regarding guns in the workplace, adequate security etc is needed also.

From a numbers standpoint, it is untenable.

If you have armed security officers and metal detectors for every public buildlng in the USA you'd easily spend a trillion dollars a year on security...
 
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From a numbers standpoint, it is untenable.

If you have armed security officers and metal detectors for every public buildlng in the USA you'd easily spend a trillion dollars a year on security...
The burials are way cheaper.
 
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Virginia Beach shooting leaves 11 dead at municipal center - CNN

Although, given how often this happens, does it still count as news?

Thoughts and prayers, blah de blah.
I remember the first "big" mass shooting that happened... Columbine...

I remember thinking how insane that was.

but never in my wildest dreams back then would I have thought that not only would mass shootings become a "normal" thing in the US news cycle, but that Congress and the America people would tolerate it. Not only do we tolerate it, we refuse to do anything concrete about it.

We give some lip service and pass super light token legislation all the while ignoring the 800lb gorilla in the room...

Somehow we've bought into logical fallacy arguments "against" gun control, arguments we do not apply to anything else.

In any event, it is a shame, doesn't matter how many mass shootings there are, doesn't matter how many people or even children get killed, we as a society just refuse to even "try" to do anything about it.

So lets go ahead and do the dance... Because this was impossible to prevent therefore there is no need whatsoever to even try to prevent future occurrences.
 
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Why do mass shootings happen more frequently in the US than in other advanced, 1st world countries?

It has to be something more than just easy access to firearms.
probably but also that american culture has always put more value on heroes who shoot/stab/kick their way out of their problems instead of dealing with them.
 
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Also I guess questions should be asked as to how this man with clear psychological problems got a gun.

He did not show signs of psychological problems from what I can tell. He resigned that morning but was in good standing with his company and no disciplinary problems or issues. No one in his personal life saw signs of mental issues.
 
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He did not show signs of psychological problems from what I can tell. He resigned that morning but was in good standing with his company and no disciplinary problems or issues. No one in his personal life saw signs of mental issues.

All that means is that nobody really knew the guy. No-one just walks into a building and shoots people without being a little unhinged.
 
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All that means is that nobody really knew the guy. No-one just walks into a building and shoots people without being a little unhinged.

This may be true, but I'm saying there is a difference between saying someone is clearly unstable. That would mean a culpability with their employer or warning signs, but there may not have been any. He may not have had a mental illness per se other than sudden rage issues or a new breakdown that didn't lead up to this. Scary when you think about it.
 
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probably but also that american culture has always put more value on heroes who shoot/stab/kick their way out of their problems instead of dealing with them.

Sometimes shooting/stabbing/kicking is the best (or only) way of dealing with the problem of a violent attacker.

Innocent victims don't choose when, where, and how an attacker will show up.
And attackers seldom respond to gentle, kind conflict resolution.
 
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Sometimes shooting/stabbing/kicking is the best (or only) way of dealing with the problem of a violent attacker.

Innocent victims don't choose when, where, and how an attacker will show up.
And attackers seldom respond to gentle, kind conflict resolution.
sometimes it is. sometimes it isn't. but in american culture it has always been the ideal. just look at your popular entertainment going back all the way.
 
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Using the dead to promote a political agenda. How progressive of you.

Deciding there's nothing that can be done about the murder of innocents. How pro life of you.
 
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