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All of Israel then saw an image of God, I said no one has seen God himself, but we have seen images of him. No Jacob saw God since Genesis 32:28 makes it very clear that the angelic stranger indentified itself as God. No passage in the Bible uses the word omnipresence, yet we know the doctrine of omnipresence is taught. I already previously proved that all members of the trinity are co equal and co eternal. John 1:1 says the Word Was With God and was God, it was both eternal and was a person and a living being, something your still ignoring. Can you show me where does it say Jesus is created in Colossians 1:15, I missed it. The Logos isn’t some huge being that has to be miniaturized, the Logos is infinite int he sense of being an infinite immaterial being United itself to Mary and became flesh, the living Word that Was God became man. Mary was the mother of the human nature and flesh and in flesh he was the descendant of David, but in divinity the begotten Word of the Father. We also know that the incarnation did not begin the existence of the Logos as Jesus claimed pre-existence many times over in the New Testament. At this point your only commenting to make it appear you have an argument.This passage is Moses speaking to Israel.
Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 YHWH our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 YHWH made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Deu 5:4 YHWH talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deu 5:5 (I stood between YHWH and you at that time, to show you the word of YHWH: for you were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount, saying,
First you say man has not seen God himself, but then you say Jacob saw God himself. The fact is, Jacob did not say the word "God" because he did not speak English. He said "elohim", a word used of angels. No man has seen God. They were seeing angels.
Does any text mention the word "trinity"? No. Does any text mention the trinity consists of three persons comprising the one true God? No. Does any text say the three persons are co-equal and co-eternal? No. You read all of that into the texts. I do not "downplay" such poor scholarship. I outright reject such poor scholarship.
Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Trinitarians came up with the interpretation that the logos was a living being that became a living being. No where in Scripture were men ever taught that the logos was a living being. Therefore, the correct interpretation is that the logos was YHWH's spoken words and thoughts which became a living being. Yeshua was in YHWH's mind/plan until it was time to make him a reality. He was then created as Colossians 1:15 states.
Assuming that the logos was a living being, explain how that living being became a living being in Miriam's womb. Was he miniaturized and put in her womb? That would make her a surrogate mother and Yeshua would have no lineage back to David. The logos became flesh. The spoken words, thoughts, plan of YHWH became flesh when He spoke His Son into existence by providing the necessary DNA to fertilize her egg to produce a male child of the lineage of David. That would not be the first time He spoke life into existence. All life in Genesis 1, except Adam and Eve, was spoken into existence as well. When Elohim said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind:", He spoke those creatures into existence.
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