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How do we love Him?:
(New Testament | John 14:15)
15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And that's no lie.
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(New Testament | John 14:15)
15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And that's no lie.
There's a saying, 'you can become so heavenly minded you're of no earthly good'. There's a lot of material information and data people aren't aware of that they should of been taught.
The idea that a person leaves a belief system for another happens frequently. People have left Christianity to become Atheists and Atheists become believers because they both connect the dots and have found a whole new world. This kind of event doesn't describe why people change or whether that change is a determination of the truth.
We have a whole lot more say when we look in our own individual mirrors rather than dream about what Dr. Heiser may or may not eventually believe.
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Your loving God because he first loved you, is only the beginning. Everyone can say they love God. But only those that do those things that he has asked them to do (be obedient to him) will be living with him forever and ever.
Just remember, God truly loves everyone, even Adolf Hitler, but Adolf will not be living with Jesus forever and ever. Only those who really love him. You can tell who those people are, easily, and so can Jesus.
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That is all true, but Dr. Heiser may still connect the dots one day, and he may find himself in the Church of Jesus Christ because no other church teaches such doctrine, in fact they are anathema to such doctrine and believe it is from satan.
When we die, we will see the spiritual world as it really is, and we will be astonished. Then you will remember that there was only 1 church that taught such a doctrine.
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Those who love Him are the ones who obey Him because He has transformed us.
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
We love Him. That is why the message is "Come to Christ" instead of "Join my church."
Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
We love Him. That is why the message is "Come to Christ" instead of "Join my church."
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Jesus loved His church:
(New Testament | Ephesians 5:20 - 28)
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
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Where did Phoebe Ann's post say He doesn't?
There are of course different ways to approach Mormons regarding Christianity, and no doubt some could approach it as "join my Church", but it's probably better to first at least establish through discussion with Mormons how they're not in a Christian church to begin with (since of course you have been taught that you are in the only 'true' Christian church) before bringing up specific alternatives.
You gotta make sure you can drive no matter what particular car you end up driving, right? (Not a great analogy, but hopefully it's obvious enough.)
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You cannot be transformed until you do what Jesus tells you to do.
The main thing is to repent and be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit. The only way that this process happens is in the organization of the church where there are people that have the power and authority to baptize and give you the gift of the Holy Spirit. And know that when they do this, the heavens recognize what they do and record it.
It is this process that transforms you and the Holy Spriit creates a new person in you that can do those things that your scripture in Colossians said we must do.
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Mhm. And Joseph Smith didn't have a license, and never bothered to get one. Instead he became convinced that 'God the Father' and 'Jesus' had told him in a vision to establish his own DMV, because all others were invalid. So he did that instead of actually getting a license, claiming that his vision superseded the licensing system already in olace, even as nothing actually changed by that claim except in Smith's own mind and the minds of small band of followers, who adopted this conviction as their own.
Meanwhile, I may live New Mexico, and maybe Phoebe Ann lives in Montana, and BigDaddy4 lives in Connecticut (no idea...just throwing out random states; I used to live in NM four years ago), but our respective licenses are valid everywhere: in our own state, in each other's states, and in other states, due to the basic agreement between the states. The exact driving laws may vary from state to state (like the traditions and disciplines and canons of different churches), but it's not like a Missouri license isn't recognized in Idaho or whatever.
But what Joseph Smith's 'DMV of Revelation and Restoration' issues aren't proper licenses. They aren't recognized outside of the Mormon territory. You can't 'drive to Christianity', which is to say the true transformative love of Christ that Phoebe Ann wrote about, with them. You'd first have to surrender them and get proper ones.
(Yay, over-extended metaphors!
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Meanwhile, I may live New Mexico, and maybe Phoebe Ann lives in Montana, and BigDaddy4 lives in Connecticut (no idea...just throwing out random states; I used to live in NM four years ago), but our respective licenses are valid everywhere: in our own state, in each other's states, and in other states, due to the basic agreement between the states. The exact driving laws may vary from state to state (like the traditions and disciplines and canons of different churches), but it's not like a Missouri license isn't recognized in Idaho or whatever.
But what Joseph Smith's 'DMV of Revelation and Restoration' issues aren't proper licenses. They aren't recognized outside of the Mormon territory. You can't 'drive to Christianity', which is to say the true transformative love of Christ that Phoebe Ann wrote about, with them. You'd first have to surrender them and get proper ones.
(Yay, over-extended metaphors!
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That is exactly what I did!
Matthew 7
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
I will NOT believe false prophets or false gods!
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Any corrupt tree that tells me to pray to a false god I will reject.
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
God is my witness that this happened after I left Mormonism. The witness of God is GREATER!
The commandments can't be kept if a person follows a false prophet and, worse yet, a false god!
2 Corinthians 6
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Matthew 22
34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:9 - 10)
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
(New Testament | John 14:12 - 15)
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
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Have you done this 100%? 90%? less than 90%
Have you yourself raised the dead? multiplied loaves of bread? turned water into wine?
Have you done this 100%? 90%? less than 90%
Have you yourself raised the dead? multiplied loaves of bread? turned water into wine?
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Your salvation depends on your worthiness, not mine. We will all be judged on our own merits. Perhaps you are trying to justify your own conduct by the conduct of others. Perhaps you are tempting me to boast or to discredit me as a sinner. That being said all are sinners and have come short of the glory of God, but should we continue to sin? God forbid.
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Actually, it rests upon Jesus' worthiness credited to my account in justification.
Romans 8:30
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
You might recall Joseph Smith rewrote this verse to suit Mormonism.
Roman 8:30 JST
Joseph changes the Word of God (with no manuscript backing) to suit his views. That's a dangerous guy to follow.
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It was God who changed the words as Joseph Smith was instructed of God.
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"It's not wrong that he xhanges what God has established while simultaneously accusing everyone else of corruption, cos God told him to!"
Okay, Muhammad al-Utahni...I'm pretty sure we've heard that one before!
Okay, Muhammad al-Utahni...I'm pretty sure we've heard that one before!
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So God changed His mind--like with polygamy---yes, no, yes, no,--maybe later
“I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity” (Moroni 8:18).
“For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and in him there is no variableness, neither shadow of changing? And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles” (Mormon 9:9-10).
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