The Flood - If even Christians don't believe what Jesus said, why should non-believers??

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If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

- 1 Corinthians 15:19-22

Jesus Christ is The Word, The Beginning and the End. He is the answer to sin and death that we are presented with in the foundation of God's word in Genesis.

Jesus himself testifies that the flood in Genesis was a real event, a real judgment, as a real as his second coming would be.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. " - Matthew 24:36-39

This is GOD IN THE FLESH giving us a history lesson. And we as believers are going to deny it?

We're going to say he didn't know what he was talking about?
Or that he was lying about history to get a point across?
Or are we to treat Jesus' second coming as a mythological fable, just like we treat Genesis?

Anything but just accepting that Jesus was telling the truth, right?

Because if we believe Jesus' own words about history, then our peers might laugh at us. We might lose social acceptance in the world. Could anything be more horrible than that?

And what does this lack of faith do to the unbeliever?

When a Christian says that entire books in the Bible are just made-up stories of events that didn't really happen.... the world rejoices. See? Christians don't even believe this stuff, why should I take sin seriously? Why do I need a savior? I'm not going to be judged... God's judgment is just a story to make people be good. Even Christians don't believe all that fire and brimstone stuff.

So while you congratulate yourselves on being "reasonable Christians".. I hope you think about the countless numbers of people who just see Christians admitting that their holy scriptures are just a collection of myths and moral teachings, nothing to be considered as an absolute truth.

How many multitudes turn away from Jesus before even hearing? After all, you don't even believe the stuff in that book. I've heard and seen it all my life.

So go ahead and compromise with the theories of man.

As for me, I trust that God did what he said he did. I believe what Jesus said.
 

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If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

- 1 Corinthians 15:19-22

Jesus Christ is The Word, The Beginning and the End. He is the answer to sin and death that we are presented with in the foundation of God's word in Genesis.

Jesus himself testifies that the flood in Genesis was a real event, a real judgment, as a real as his second coming would be.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. " - Matthew 24:36-39

This is GOD IN THE FLESH giving us a history lesson. And we as believers are going to deny it?

We're going to say he didn't know what he was talking about?
Or that he was lying about history to get a point across?
Or are we to treat Jesus' second coming as a mythological fable, just like we treat Genesis?

Anything but just accepting that Jesus was telling the truth, right?

Because if we believe Jesus' own words about history, then our peers might laugh at us. We might lose social acceptance in the world. Could anything be more horrible than that?

And what does this lack of faith do to the unbeliever?

When a Christian says that entire books in the Bible are just made-up stories of events that didn't really happen.... the world rejoices. See? Christians don't even believe this stuff, why should I take sin seriously? Why do I need a savior? I'm not going to be judged... God's judgment is just a story to make people be good. Even Christians don't believe all that fire and brimstone stuff.

So while you congratulate yourselves on being "reasonable Christians".. I hope you think about the countless numbers of people who just see Christians admitting that their holy scriptures are just a collection of myths and moral teachings, nothing to be considered as an absolute truth.

How many multitudes turn away from Jesus before even hearing? After all, you don't even believe the stuff in that book. I've heard and seen it all my life.

So go ahead and compromise with the theories of man.

As for me, I trust that God did what he said he did. I believe what Jesus said.

Until someone gets into the Word themselves, they’re dependent on hearsay from a church, a pastor, an author. God does use every sliver of Truth that witnesses to Him, but the ideal and goal is to end up "...workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Glory to God that YOU believe His Word! Enjoy that unapologetically and happily refuse the world's unbelief.
 
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If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

- 1 Corinthians 15:19-22

Jesus Christ is The Word, The Beginning and the End. He is the answer to sin and death that we are presented with in the foundation of God's word in Genesis.

Jesus himself testifies that the flood in Genesis was a real event, a real judgment, as a real as his second coming would be.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. " - Matthew 24:36-39

This is GOD IN THE FLESH giving us a history lesson. And we as believers are going to deny it?

We're going to say he didn't know what he was talking about?
Or that he was lying about history to get a point across?
Or are we to treat Jesus' second coming as a mythological fable, just like we treat Genesis?

Anything but just accepting that Jesus was telling the truth, right?

Because if we believe Jesus' own words about history, then our peers might laugh at us. We might lose social acceptance in the world. Could anything be more horrible than that?

And what does this lack of faith do to the unbeliever?

When a Christian says that entire books in the Bible are just made-up stories of events that didn't really happen.... the world rejoices. See? Christians don't even believe this stuff, why should I take sin seriously? Why do I need a savior? I'm not going to be judged... God's judgment is just a story to make people be good. Even Christians don't believe all that fire and brimstone stuff.

So while you congratulate yourselves on being "reasonable Christians".. I hope you think about the countless numbers of people who just see Christians admitting that their holy scriptures are just a collection of myths and moral teachings, nothing to be considered as an absolute truth.

How many multitudes turn away from Jesus before even hearing? After all, you don't even believe the stuff in that book. I've heard and seen it all my life.

So go ahead and compromise with the theories of man.

As for me, I trust that God did what he said he did. I believe what Jesus said.

Again, you're grossly misrepresenting some of us who take a more existential, post-modern type path to understanding our faith in Christ. You've written us off BEFORE you've dug deep to comprehend why and what we're even saying.

Fortunately, my "brand" of Christian faith does not impel me to attempt to identify my Fundamentalist Christian brethren as White Washed Tombs or some other kind of inauthentic entities through overextended language. No, as far as Christ-like charity will allow me, I accept you as a brother (or sister?) in the Body of Christ. It would be nice if you could return the favor.

It might also benefit us all if you could learn something about Hermeneutics and the Philosophy of History, then you might begin to have an insight into why I parse the contents of the Bible the way I do ... of course, I know that might be asking a lot of some of you. ;)
 
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Again, you're grossly misrepresenting some of us who take a more existential, post-modern type path to understanding our faith in Christ. You've written us off BEFORE you've dug deep to comprehend why and what we're even saying.

Fortunately, my "brand" of Christian faith does not impel me to attempt to identify my Fundamentalist Christian brethren as White Washed Tombs or some other kind of inauthentic entities through overextended language. No, as far as Christ-like charity will allow me, I accept you as a brother (or sister?) in the Body of Christ. It would be nice if you could return the favor.

It might also benefit us all if you could learn something about Hermeneutics and the Philosophy of History, then you might begin to have an insight into why I parse the contents of the Bible the way I do ... of course, I know that might be asking a lot of some of you. ;)
How do you conclude which parts are literal and which are not?
 
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How do you conclude which parts are literal and which are not?

I don't. I see ALL of human writing---and I mean ALL of it, including that which makes up the Biblical text---as representational to varying degrees of specific human cognition expressed by certain individuals. In the case of the Bible, certain individuals have felt motivated (by God, we suppose) to write their thoughts for the rest of us in response to their own experiences with God and/or Christ and/or the Church. And they write for the benefit of the rest of us, doing so by utilizing various kinds of genres.

On a finer level of analysis, and in simple terms, I differentiate those writings that could reflect accounts of 1st hand experiences from those that have surely come by secondary or tertiary sources. I also keep in mind the time factor and the possible source factors that may have gone into the production of a written account. For example, if I count Moses as having written both Genesis and Exodus, then I suppose from hermeneutical study that the nature of the narratives in Genesis, such as that which pertains to the Garden of Eden, has to be of a different nature than those narratives that pertain to Moses' leading of the Hebrew people out of Egypt. Also, in very general terms, we might suspect that the narrative accounts related to Abraham, being closer in time and social connection to Moses and his people, are perhaps a bit more substantive of the possible reality of Abraham's life than are those that reflect the literary personages of Adam and Eve.

But, you don't have to take my word for it. You are existentially free to choose how you handle the way in which you try to further understand your faith in Christ. The caveat is that if we ignore the wider field of human hermeneutics as we attempt to understand the Bible, we'll be more prone to misconstrue, and maybe misuse, the biblical writings as they were intended to be used and understood.
 
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If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

- 1 Corinthians 15:19-22

Jesus Christ is The Word, The Beginning and the End. He is the answer to sin and death that we are presented with in the foundation of God's word in Genesis.

Jesus himself testifies that the flood in Genesis was a real event, a real judgment, as a real as his second coming would be.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. " - Matthew 24:36-39

This is GOD IN THE FLESH giving us a history lesson. And we as believers are going to deny it?

We're going to say he didn't know what he was talking about?
Or that he was lying about history to get a point across?
Or are we to treat Jesus' second coming as a mythological fable, just like we treat Genesis?

Anything but just accepting that Jesus was telling the truth, right?

Because if we believe Jesus' own words about history, then our peers might laugh at us. We might lose social acceptance in the world. Could anything be more horrible than that?

And what does this lack of faith do to the unbeliever?

When a Christian says that entire books in the Bible are just made-up stories of events that didn't really happen.... the world rejoices. See? Christians don't even believe this stuff, why should I take sin seriously? Why do I need a savior? I'm not going to be judged... God's judgment is just a story to make people be good. Even Christians don't believe all that fire and brimstone stuff.

So while you congratulate yourselves on being "reasonable Christians".. I hope you think about the countless numbers of people who just see Christians admitting that their holy scriptures are just a collection of myths and moral teachings, nothing to be considered as an absolute truth.

How many multitudes turn away from Jesus before even hearing? After all, you don't even believe the stuff in that book. I've heard and seen it all my life.

So go ahead and compromise with the theories of man.

As for me, I trust that God did what he said he did. I believe what Jesus said.

I also notice the Theo-Evo sect will turn the world wide flood into a local flood.
But we read...
2 Peter 3:3Most importantly, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4“Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”

5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

The flood is associated with the destruction of ungodly men....the verse goes on to mention the earth is reserved for fire. If the flood was a local flood, will the fire also be a local fire?
 
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I don't. I see ALL of human writing---and I mean ALL of it, including that which makes us the Biblical text---as representational to varying degrees of specific human cognition expressed by certain individuals. In the case of the Bible, certain individuals have felt motivated (by God, we suppose) to write their thoughts for the rest of us in response to their own experiences with God and/or Christ and/or the Church. And they write for the benefit of the rest of us, doing so by utilizing various kinds of genres.

On a finer level of analysis, and in simple terms, I differentiate those writings that could reflect accounts of 1st hand experiences from those that have surely come by secondary or tertiary sources. I also keep in mind the time factor and the possible source factors that may have gone into the production of a written account. For example, if I count Moses as having written both Genesis and Exodus, then I suppose from hermeneutical study that the nature of the narratives in Genesis, such as that which pertains to the Garden of Eden, has to be of a different nature than those narratives that pertain to Moses' leading of the Hebrew people out of Egypt. Also, in very general terms, we might suspect that the narrative accounts related to Abraham, being closer in time and social connection to Moses and his people, are perhaps a bit more substantive of the possible reality of Abraham's life than are those that reflect the literary personages of Adam and Eve.

But, you don't have to take my word for it. You are existentially free to choose how you handle the way in which you try to further understand your faith in Christ. The caveat is that if we ignore the wider field of human hermeneutics as we attempt to understand the Bible, we'll be more prone to misconstrue, and maybe misuse, the biblical writings as they were intended to be used and understood.
Thanks for answering! You mention that the Bible was written for our benefit - what do you mean by this? (Specifically in your own life or on a broader scale, whichever you're more comfortable with describing..)
 
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Thanks for answering! You mention that the Bible was written for our benefit - what do you mean by this? (Specifically in your own life or on a broader scale, whichever you're more comfortable with describing..)

Without getting into a long spiel to address this relevant question you've posed to me, I'll just say that the biblical writers intended to put their thoughts down in a more 'fixed' manner, that is, in a way that supplemented the oral tradition they had of handing on information, for the benefit of the people they were ministering to. The writings, however God motivated they may be, and however approximate they are in representing truths about God as he reigns in Reality, are here to do what Paul the Apostle recognized they are generally here to do:

For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope. (Romans 15:4 - NKJV) :cool:
 
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So while you congratulate yourselves on being "reasonable Christians".. I hope you think about the countless numbers of people who just see Christians admitting that their holy scriptures are just a collection of myths and moral teachings, nothing to be considered as an absolute truth.
I know some people say "I am a Christian" but do not know what it is to be "a Christian". And yes, some have never had any desire to walk in the Holy Spirit. So these people are Christian only by tradition and not by a personal relationship. These are the people that Jesus Christ of Nazareth will say to them " I never knew you". Thank God most Christians who Evangelize the truth in love are deep in the Word and walk with the Holy Spirit daily to spread the Good News of The Kingdom of God to the nations.
Blessings
 
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If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

- 1 Corinthians 15:19-22

Jesus Christ is The Word, The Beginning and the End. He is the answer to sin and death that we are presented with in the foundation of God's word in Genesis.

Jesus himself testifies that the flood in Genesis was a real event, a real judgment, as a real as his second coming would be.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. " - Matthew 24:36-39

This is GOD IN THE FLESH giving us a history lesson. And we as believers are going to deny it?

We're going to say he didn't know what he was talking about?
Or that he was lying about history to get a point across?
Or are we to treat Jesus' second coming as a mythological fable, just like we treat Genesis?

Anything but just accepting that Jesus was telling the truth, right?

Because if we believe Jesus' own words about history, then our peers might laugh at us. We might lose social acceptance in the world. Could anything be more horrible than that?

And what does this lack of faith do to the unbeliever?

When a Christian says that entire books in the Bible are just made-up stories of events that didn't really happen.... the world rejoices. See? Christians don't even believe this stuff, why should I take sin seriously? Why do I need a savior? I'm not going to be judged... God's judgment is just a story to make people be good. Even Christians don't believe all that fire and brimstone stuff.

So while you congratulate yourselves on being "reasonable Christians".. I hope you think about the countless numbers of people who just see Christians admitting that their holy scriptures are just a collection of myths and moral teachings, nothing to be considered as an absolute truth.

How many multitudes turn away from Jesus before even hearing? After all, you don't even believe the stuff in that book. I've heard and seen it all my life.

So go ahead and compromise with the theories of man.

As for me, I trust that God did what he said he did. I believe what Jesus said.

If someone doesn't believe God's Word, all of it, are they a Christian? Or are they something else, but for some reason try to label themselves as Christian.
 
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If someone doesn't believe God's Word, all of it, are they a Christian? Or are they something else, but for some reason try to label themselves as Christian.
Were the people who loved Christ before the New Testament was written Christians?
 
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Were the people who loved Christ before the New Testament was written Christians?
I'm pretty sure we aren't talking about people who are no longer living, from before Christ was on the earth, died and was buried and resurrected, not sure OP was talking about before all of God's Word was given to us.

Out of the conversation.People love to try to cause issues. Pretty sure OP was talking about people today, and all of God's Word.....
Not going to argue over any of it. Not worth it. :)
 
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I'm pretty sure we aren't talking about people who are no longer living, from before Christ was on the earth, died and was buried and resurrected, not sure OP was talking about before all of God's Word was given to us.

Out of the conversation.People love to try to cause issues. Pretty sure OP was talking about people today, and all of God's Word.....
Not going to argue over any of it. Not worth it. :)
Sorry, I didn't mean before Christ's incarnation. I meant the time between His coming and when the New Testament was available for people to read. It's just my opinion of course, but I think that if someone loves Christ, they are a Christian even if the rest of the details are fuzzy for them.
 
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I also notice the Theo-Evo sect will turn the world wide flood into a local flood.
But we read...
2 Peter 3:3Most importantly, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4“Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”

5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

The flood is associated with the destruction of ungodly men....the verse goes on to mention the earth is reserved for fire. If the flood was a local flood, will the fire also be a local fire?

2 Peter 3:5-6

For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

Amen, it's amazing we have right there a direct rebuke against people who deny the Genesis flood, (including those who describe it as merely a local flood, which makes a mockery of its stated purpose) ... and yet countless professing Christians are okay with doing the same thing... denying the Flood.... denying God's judgment ever really happened.... Do they not realize they are the very "scoffers" being rebuked right here in scripture?

Is it really more important to have the respect of men and be considered "reasonable" to the world... than to believe the word of God and the words of Jesus himself?
 
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2 Peter 3:5-6

For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

Amen, it's amazing we have right there a direct rebuke against people who deny the Genesis flood, (including those who describe it as merely a local flood, which makes a mockery of its stated purpose) ... and yet countless professing Christians are okay with doing the same thing... denying the Flood.... denying God's judgment ever really happened.... Do they not realize they are the very "scoffers" being rebuked right here in scripture?

Is it really more important to have the respect of men and be considered "reasonable" to the world... than to believe the word of God and the words of Jesus himself?

For this is concealed from them willingly, that heavens existed long ago and the earth, having been composed out of water and through water, by the word of God, through which the world at that time perished, having been deluged with water.
2 Peter 3:5-6, Berean Literal Bible

So, Peter is basically saying that some people deny that heavens are old and that the first world perished through waters.

I know of only one group denying that heavens (universe) are old - the YEC proponents.

And local/regional flood does not contradict that the first world perished. Its only your wrong comprehension that by the "world" he meant the whole planet.
 
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For this is concealed from them willingly, that heavens existed long ago and the earth, having been composed out of water and through water, by the word of God, through which the world at that time perished, having been deluged with water.
2 Peter 3:5-6, Berean Literal Bible

So, Peter is basically saying that some people deny that heavens are old and that the first world perished through waters.

I know of only one group denying that heavens (universe) are old - the YEC proponents.

So apparently you have no problem latching onto an entirely ambiguous interpretation of the word "old" (in a cherry-picked translation)... but deny explicit straightforward statements like "The Lord God made everything in 6 days".. .

And then further down we'll read that you believe the flood was local. Yet who is denying a local flood may have occurred? Even atheists support the possibility of local bronze-age flood in the Mesopotamian region, so who are the scoffers that Peter was warning of?


And local/regional flood does not contradict that the first world perished. Its only your wrong comprehension that by the "world" he meant the whole planet.

Oh my goodness.... so the people of Noah's time just had to take a vacation to a nearby region in order to avoid God's judgment?

And what of Jesus comparing his return to the flood of Noah? Is Jesus own testimony not sufficient? Or was Jesus saying that the final judgment would only be a local one as well?

The things we tell ourselves in order to conform to the theories of the world...

I think I'll just believe God instead.
 
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So apparently you have no problem latching onto an entirely ambiguous interpretation of the word "old" (in a cherry-picked translation)... but deny explicit straightforward statements like "The Lord God made everything in 6 days".. .
You apparently have no problem latching on entirely ambiguous interpretation of the word "day".

And then further down we'll read that you believe the flood was local. Yet who is denying a local flood may have occurred?
The people Peter was talking about.
Even atheists support the possibility of local bronze-age flood in the Mesopotamian region, so who are the scoffers that Peter was warning of?
People who denied that the universe is old and that the former world (not planet, but world) was destroyed by waters.


Oh my goodness.... so the people of Noah's time just had to take a vacation to a nearby region in order to avoid God's judgment?
Oh my goodness, have you even read the Bible? They did not believe that the judgment will come.

For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.
Mt 34:38

And what of Jesus comparing his return to the flood of Noah? Is Jesus own testimony not sufficient? Or was Jesus saying that the final judgment would only be a local one as well?
Jesus clearly said (and you would know if you read the Bible carefully):
"Where, Lord?" they asked. He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

The things we tell ourselves in order to conform to the theories of the world...
I think I'll just believe God instead.
Do it.
 
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Oh my goodness, have you even read the Bible? They did not believe that the judgment will come.

So let's go with a local flood interpretation, and all you have to do is throw verses like this and entire chapters of Genesis in the trash.

And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. - Genesis 7:23

I guess the birds couldn't fly away from that local flood either.

Can you not see that nearly every part of Genesis flood account contradicts a local-flood interpretation?

Is being thought of as "reasonable" by the world, really worth sarificing God's word? I don't think so.
 
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So let's go with a local flood interpretation, and all you have to do is throw verses like this and entire chapters of Genesis in the trash.

And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. - Genesis 7:23

I guess the birds couldn't fly away from that local flood either.

Can you not see that nearly every part of Genesis flood account contradicts a local-flood interpretation?

Is being thought of as "reasonable" by the world, really worth sarificing God's word? I don't think so.
Its written from the point of view of those people, not from the point of view of the ISS.

Understand this simple thing and all your inner conflict, anger and fear will go away.
 
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