I have a question about the Trinity.

Albion said:

That's correct and I agree--IF we are saying that the nature of Man is equivalent to the nature of God. But when our friend explained what he had in mind ('Man has a heart, soul, and mind plus a body'), it became clear that he was referring to a threesome of something or other, but not anything analogous to the three persons of God.

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Albion I respect your careful writings. In this case I do not see that we have to carefully craft Trinity or trinity beings from Scripture references as pertaining to mankind just because the Creator is a Trinity and says He made man in His own image The one does not flow to the other in my view and this was the argument set forth in the post I responded to.
In my view we are made in the Creator's image in that we were given a life-giving spirit after having been made from the dust as Paul describes in I Corinthians 15. This life-giving spirit/the second man is from heaven .

Neostarwcc said:

Okay so, God is three distinct persons in one God correct? But how can that be? Isn't the worship of one God in three distinct persons worshipping three different Gods? Where in scripture has it been said that the Holy Spirit is God?

I mean in Genesis 1:26 God says "Let us create mankind in our image" now if God were not at least two in one why would he have said something like this? But yet how can God possibly be three distinct fully God persons and yet still be one God? It's just not possible and I might have to wait until I meet God to know the truth. But it does make me wonder... Can somebody please satisfactorily answer my question? Thanks.

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We are specified to have a Soul, Body and Spirit in scripture. (1 Thessalonians 5:23)

Your Body is not your Soul.
Your Body is not your Spirit.
Your Soul is not your Spirit.

But Your Body Soul and Spirit make up you.

The Son is the very 'Radiance of the Glory". (Hebrews 1:3)
The Father has only been "Seen" by the One Who Revealed Him. (John 1:18 ; John 14:9)
The Son had to go, so we could receive the Holy Spirit. (John 16:7 ; Romans 8:9 ; Ephesians 1:13)

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 helps enormously... Especially when comparing 1 Corinthians 10:4 and Exodus 13:21

All blessings in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Son of His Father, and Imparter of His Holy Spirit that Seals us to Salvation

For the 3 in 1 comparison man can hold, how about being a brother a son and a father all at the same time but all distinct positions, or mother and sister and daughter.

throughfireytrial said:

Albion I respect your careful writings. In this case I do not see that we have to carefully craft Trinity or trinity beings from Scripture references as pertaining to mankind just because the Creator is a Trinity and says He made man in His own image The one does not flow to the other in my view and this was the argument set forth in the post I responded to.

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First, thank you for the kind words. I totally agree with what you have said here and I like it better than what I wrote (which, after it was posted, seemed to me likely to come across as me taking both sides at once).

ewq1938 said:

"star" is not a third element of a star.

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Alright, the sun is a star and produces heat and produces light. Three parts of one entity.

Let's not get the lab coats out it was only a illustration.

throughfireytrial said:

This unity that Jesus makes evident in the passages you cite is no mere human word but is a profound mystery. Here are more passages to bring out this fact:
Ephesians 5:29-32:
After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church—for we are members of his body. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church

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that mystery you speak of is the marriage of christ to the church, I don't see it speaking of the mystery of the God head. Allthough other verses do speak of that particular mystery. 1 Tim 3:16

gradyll said:

that mystery you speak of is the marriage of christ to the church, I don't see it speaking of the mystery of the God head. Allthough other verses do speak of that particular mystery. 1 Tim 3:16

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I believe you miss an important point, don't you? Christ and the Church are One as are a man and his wife. Apostle Paul says "this is a profound mystery, but I am speaking of Christ and the Church"...therefore the two bodies (Christ being one body and the Church being the 2nd body) are one. I believe it was you who equated this to the union existing between the Trinity personages.

ewq1938 said:

I'm just trying top help you. You still have two parts of one entity so far.

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If you want to help me, please try to understand what I'm communicating to you and not attempt to school me because I really don't like getting bogged down into these petty quarrels,which I think this is going towards.

The sun is classified as a star, like earth is classified as a planet. I hope you agree on that.

So my original point was the sun, has three forms all coming from and including one body,the sun/star.

Star,heat and light. 3 in 1 From the entity, I counted the sun/star as a part of the 3 in 1.

If you have a counterpoint I would say leave one so I understand and we can leave it at that. Thanks.

Neostarwcc said:

Okay so, God is three distinct persons in one God correct? But how can that be? Isn't the worship of one God in three distinct persons worshipping three different Gods? Where in scripture has it been said that the Holy Spirit is God?

I mean in Genesis 1:26 God says "Let us create mankind in our image" now if God were not at least two in one why would he have said something like this? But yet how can God possibly be three distinct fully God persons and yet still be one God? It's just not possible and I might have to wait until I meet God to know the truth. But it does make me wonder... Can somebody please satisfactorily answer my question? Thanks.

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The Word answers your question.
YHWH is ONE, Eternal, uncreated, self existing Spirit. YHWH means LIFE/BREATH. YHWH is manifested in Three individual Persons, from eternity.
Adam is “one” created spirit manifested in billions and billions and billions...of male and female persons, which persons are all one Adam flesh, which flesh is built by the one Adam spirit at conception of the seed which seed comes down by the same spirit from the loins of the first, firstborn son of God, the Adam. We are all Adam seed, come to fruit in our preordained season, but named “to be” when created in the loins of the first “son of God” of the human being/ Adam kind (Luke 3:38).
Adam means and is contracted from adamah/earth-dam/blood.
Adam is made in the very image of God the Word who was to come, and is come, in second creation human being flesh, to be the Redeemer Kinsman of His one and only created flesh brother, the Adam.
YHWH, in the Person of God the Word, is come in a second creation human being Garment which He put on like a garment, in the womb of a virgin, which garment He died in, rose in, ascended in, received the Glory Adam lost, in, and is returning in,
and will wear forever, as our Firstborn and adoptive Everlasting Father when we are born again, into His One Living Spirit, out of the old dead Adam spirit.
Look it all up in Scripture.
Genesis 1:26-28; Romans 5:14.
Why did He make them (the Adam male and female persons) “one” spirit”? -Malachi 3:15
Isaiah 59 -YHWH put on the Garment of Yeshua/Salvation.
Isaiah 49 -His Name, as second creation human being, is not “Adam”, but “Israel”
YHWH is One Living Spirit, eternally self existing in 3 Persons.
Adam is one “dead to the glory” created spirit, in many, many multiplied billions of male and female persons.
The adopted (born again in Spirit) sons of God (which is always including both the male and female persons) are one Spirit in Christ, the Living Spirit, and will be one flesh in the Adoption body of New Man flesh made for the Glory -which is our Hope- who are now born again in the One Living Spirit of adoption, and who wait for the adoption of the flesh, in the regeneration of it, when we will be in the same image Adam was created in, but died to the glory in the defilement of the flesh, in, and in which image Christ is come in the same likeness of, but without sin/corruption in, to be our Redeemer/Kinsman.

Daniel C said:

Alright, the sun is a star and produces heat and produces light. Three parts of one entity.

Let's not get the lab coats out it was only a illustration.

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Just so it can go on record here: the sun is NOT a star. The sun is made to be the “ Mennorah” that refracts the “light” out to the universe -to everything under the heavens, as the Word states.
And the created sun is where God set His created “temple in the heavens”. It is where where He dwells, and sits on the throne in heaven, and looks down upon us, and we are as grasshoppers in His sight, from there.
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That is all in the Word of God, if you check it for yourself.
Psalm 18, in the Douay Rheim’s Bible states: He has set His tabernacle in the sun”...
That is Psalm 19 in the KJV.
It is also the way it is translated in the Greek Septuagint and the Latin Vulgate.
After the Douay Rheims, the heresy of the earth revolving around the sun was received, and English translators made a mess of that passage to get away from what it directly states in the Hebrew, which is also backed up with many other passages of Scripture.
When the angels in Revelation come out of the temple with the bowls of wrath, they are coming out of the temple in the sun.
The sun was made on day 4 of creation week, as a type and shadow of the New Creation human being body of flesh that was created new, in the womb of a virgin, for God the Word to put on like a garment and be our Kinsman/Redeemer, in, as Isaiah 59 clearly states.
That body of flesh was made in the 4th millennial day of creation.
That body is the TEMPLE of GOD NOT made with hands, in which the Glory dwells.
Isaiah 60: 1-3; Malachi 4:2
The “Sun of Righteousness” is the New Creation Human Being flesh “Firstborn Son of God”, which is the Position He has as second human being creation flesh, which the first, the Adam, was made for, and died to, at the fall. He is the Light that lights every mans that comes into the world; John 1: 1-5

yeshuasavedme said:

Just so it can go on record here: the sun is NOT a star. The sun is made to be the “ Mennorah” that refracts the “light” out to the universe -to everything under the heavens, as the Word states.
And the created sun is where God set His created “temple in the heavens”. It is where where He dwells, and sits on the throne in heaven, and looks down upon us, and we are as grasshoppers in His sight, from there.
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That is all in the Word of God, if you check it for yourself.
Psalm 18, in the Douay Rheim’s Bible states: He has set His tabernacle in the sun”...
That is Psalm 19 in the KJV.
It is also the way it is translated in the Greek Septuagint and the Latin Vulgate.
After the Douay Rheims, the heresy of the earth revolving around the sun was received, and English translators made a mess of that passage to get away from what it directly states in the Hebrew, which is also backed up with many other passages of Scripture.
When the angels in Revelation come out of the temple with the bowls of wrath, they are coming out of the temple in the sun.
The sun was made on day 4 of creation week, as a type and shadow of the New Creation human being body of flesh that was created new, in the womb of a virgin, for God the Word to put on like a garment and be our Kinsman/Redeemer, in, as Isaiah 59 clearly states.
That body of flesh was made in the 4th millennial day of creation.
That body is the TEMPLE of GOD NOT made with hands, in which the Glory dwells.
Isaiah 60: 1-3; Malachi 4:2
The “Sun of Righteousness” is the New Creation Human Being flesh “Firstborn Son of God”, which is the Position He has as second human being creation flesh, which the first, the Adam, was made for, and died to, at the fall. He is the Light that lights every mans that comes into the world; John 1: 1-5

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In scientific terminology,which is what I was using, the sun IS a G-type star. What Kind of Star is the Sun? - Universe Today

Now what's your objection?

We call it the sun but its classification is a star, nothing to do with the Biblical interpretation or representation.

Honestly guys, the common person could grasp this simple comparison but apparently the supporters of the trinity it goes over their heads according to these objections.

I heard this example from a credible Evangelical and it seemed reasonable to me and I suspect most folk can understand the concept of sun,heat and light.....three things from and of one entity. Not a perfect analogy of the Trinity but who claimed it was?

Daniel C said:

In scientific terminology,which is what I was using, the sun IS a G-type star. What Kind of Star is the Sun? - Universe Today

Now what's your objection?

We call it the sun but its classification is a star, nothing to do with the Biblical interpretation or representation.

Honestly guys, the common person could grasp this simple comparison but apparently the supporters of the trinity it goes over their heads according to these objections.

I heard this example from a credible Evangelical and it seemed reasonable to me and I suspect most folk can understand the concept of sun,heat and light.....three things from and of one entity. Not a perfect analogy of the Trinity but who claimed it was?

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Well, isn't it best to see what the word says, which WORD refutes everything the link you gave states?

yeshuasavedme said:

Well, isn't it best to see what the word says, which WORD refutes everything the link you gave states?

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I think what's important is to have a meaningful dialogue is to understand the other person. Jumping in at a random point as a bystander only reading part of a conversion is a recipe for failure. I say this because it has happens all the time on forums and I think It's happened here too.

The Bible calls the sun a sun and I called the sun our sun. I said that at the very beginning but apparently you missed that and the explanations following it. I suggest you go back to my OP for clarification so this makes more sense.

Daniel C said:

I think what's important is to have a meaningful dialogue is to understand the other person. Jumping in at a random point as a bystander only reading part of a conversion is a recipe for failure. I say this because it has happens all the time on forums and I think It's happened here too.

The Bible calls the sun a sun and I called the sun our sun. I said that at the very beginning but apparently you missed that and the explanations following it. I suggest you go back to my OP for clarification so this makes more sense.

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My first post on this thread answers the OP.
The Word never calls the sun a star, and it does call stars angels, who are personalities with individual names with specific duties who serve God for specific jobs concerning the earth's seasons -and so on, and not one has failed (there are no dead stars, biblically speaking), nor changed the ordinances God ordained them for from the beginning.
The sun receives the electromagnetic radio waves from the stars like a menorah receives oil, and the core body of the sun transfers that out by refraction to give light to the entire universe.
The wisdom of God is high above the blind denial myths of so called men of modern science, but much more fascinating to learn from than the myths put forth as truths in this fallen world.
And I did answer the OP, in my first post.
Have a nice day☺

yeshuasavedme said:

My first post on this thread answers the OP.
The Word never calls the sun a star, and it does call stars angels, who are personalities with individual names with specific duties who serve God for specific jobs concerning the earth's seasons -and so on, and not one has failed (there are no dead stars, biblically speaking), nor changed the ordinances God ordained them for from the beginning.
The sun receives the electromagnetic radio waves from the stars like a menorah receives oil, and the core body of the sun transfers that out by refraction to give light to the entire universe.
The wisdom of God is high above the blind denial myths of so called men of modern science, but much more fascinating to learn from than the myths put forth as truths in this fallen world.
And I did answer the OP, in my first post.
Have a nice day☺

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There are two “Morning Stars” in scripture.

One is the False
One is the True

This is very important to grasp, to follow other passages of scripture

One “Bright Morning Star” is God, Who is only, ever God’s Messenger (Angel) in the sense that The Eternal, Uncreated, Infinite Son, reveals the Father.

The reference is a reference to Navigation. It refers to the Star Sailors Navigated by.

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The other “Morning Star” is a Created Angel... known as the Dragon/Serpent. he is a false navigational aid. I’ll explain this... Lucifer is a transliteration Of a compounded phrase... find out what the actual phrase is and you’ll see it.

All blessings in our True Navigational... (Bright Morning Star) ... Jesus Christ.

Satan is not a

Grip Docility said:

There are two “Morning Stars” in scripture.

One is the False
One is the True

This is very important to grasp, to follow other passages of scripture

One “Bright Morning Star” is God, Who is only, ever God’s Messenger (Angel) in the sense that The Eternal, Uncreated, Infinite Son, reveals the Father.

The reference is a reference to Navigation. It refers to the Star Sailors Navigated by.

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The other “Morning Star” is a Created Angel... known as the Dragon/Serpent. he is a false navigational aid. I’ll explain this... Lucifer is a transliteration Of a compounded phrase... find out what the actual phrase is and you’ll see it.

All blessings in our True Navigational... (Bright Morning Star) ... Jesus Christ.

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Satan is not a fallen star. Lucifer is not a name in the Hebrew original.
Satan never fell, is still in heaven and roams earth, and is the chief of the created evil angels who are made to test holy watcher angels and Adam persons. The Lake of fire was made for them, as Jesus also mentions, and they are the tormentors whose food and drink forever, when they are shut into only the boundary of the Lake of fire, will be tormenting their prey.
Their prey are the fallen watcher angels and their offspring (demon spirits, disembodied forever from stolen, unlawful, human flesh bodies got from their Adam flesh wives), and unrepentant Adam seed, who reject the Salvation the Redeemer/Kinsman has once, for all, bought by His blood.

yeshuasavedme said:

Satan is not a
Satan is not a fallen star. Lucifer is not a name in the Hebrew original.
Satan never fell, is still in heaven and roams earth, and is the chief of the created evil angels who are made to test holy watcher angels and Adam persons. The Lake of fire was made for them, as Jesus also mentions, and they are the tormentors whose food and drink forever, when they are shut into only the boundary of the Lake of fire, will be tormenting their prey.
Their prey are the fallen watcher angels and their offspring (demon spirits, disembodied forever from stolen, unlawful, human flesh bodies got from their Adam flesh wives), and unrepentant Adam seed, who reject the Salvation the Redeemer/Kinsman has once, for all, bought by His blood.

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Sir, Revelation 12 instantly dismantles your posit... IMO.

Hebrews 2:14

Satan wasn’t created Evil, nor the fallen angels.

Ezekiel 28:15