Who is the Bride of Christ? (Hint: It's not the Church)

nolidad said:

Well if we are his children, part of HIs body, and His espoused-when that trumpet toots- we shall scoot!

And yes grip we will return with Jesus when He rescues Israel from teh grips of the antichrist assault!

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Ofcoarse... I only speak of the Patriarchal symbology...

And.... Wooo Hoooo! I really hope you’re right! If I go before He snatches away... I want to be watching, saying... How much Longer Lord!?! How much Longer can Satan torment your Bride, Israel?

I know God’s gonna give me a dirty look when I ask if we can play “Eye of the Tiger” as the battle Prep. Montage ques up...

Grip Docility said:

Ofcoarse... I only speak of the Patriarchal symbology...

And.... Wooo Hoooo! I really hope you’re right! If I go before He snatches away... I want to be watching, saying... How much Longer Lord!?! How much Longer can Satan torment your Bride, Israel?

I know God’s gonna give me a dirty look when I ask if we can play “Eye of the Tiger” as the battle Prep. Montage ques up...

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Do not confuse Israel with the bride of Christ.

Israel in SCripture is called the wife of Jehovah!
the church is the bride of Christ

Th8ere is a difference in teh Jewish economy between a wife and bride!

And do not worry, if you are trusting in th edeath burial and resurrection of Jesus as the only payjment for your sins- dead or alive when Jesus descends to the atmnosphere and has Michael blow the trumpet- your gone!!!!!!

nolidad said:

Do not confuse Israel with the bride of Christ.

Israel in SCripture is called the wife of Jehovah!
the church is the bride of Christ

Th8ere is a difference in teh Jewish economy between a wife and bride!

And do not worry, if you are trusting in th edeath burial and resurrection of Jesus as the only payjment for your sins- dead or alive when Jesus descends to the atmnosphere and has Michael blow the trumpet- your gone!!!!!!

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I totally misunderstood what you meant by "you're gone".... sorry!

Grip Docility said:

How very nice of you to Dispute who God calls His Bride... (Isaiah 62:4-5)
How kind of you to Rail against the Gospel (Romans 4:1-6)

I was not berating you or attacking the gospel in any sense. Why would you say such a thing?

I most likely would be an incorrect person to continue this type of dialogue with.

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How can me telling you you will be part of the rapture is railing against the gospel????????????????

If you look in Isaiah 62 these are verses making comparisons!

But asd for Israel being the wife of Jehovah?

“Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.” (Jer. Jer. 3:14)

Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. (Jer. Jer. 31:31-33

Even though Israel proved to be an unfaithful wife which God put away by divorce, He promises to remain faithful to her in His relationship as husband. Moreover, in order to divorce her, she had to first be married.

Bring charges against your mother, bring charges; For she is not; For she is not My wife, nor am I her Husband! Let her put away her harlotries from her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts

As unfaithful as Israel has been, God promises to stand by her. Their husband-wife relationship will be reestablished:

“And it shall be, in that day,” says the Lord, “That you will call Me ‘My Husband,’ And no longer call Me ‘My Master.’ ” (Hos. Hos. 2:16

I will betroth you to Me forever; yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and justice, in lovingkindness and mercy; I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness, and you shall know the Lord. (Hos. Hos. 2:19-20
Israel in her land was the wife of Jehovah (Jer. Jer. 3:14-20; Isa. Isa. 54:1)

I do not reject grace and I know that Israel will be remarried to Jehovah (Father) and the church will be wed to Jesus (the lamb)

Teh bible makes a distinction- we should as well!

... del

nolidad said:

So Pauls disciples will be engaged to Jesus but we are not? I don't think so. When I am used to disciple someone, it is my purpose to present them to Christ as a chaste espoused virgin! We should all be presenting fellow believers as the espoused of Christ.

As for Revelation 21? YOu missed one little but critical word. "AS" This lets us know that it is a metaphor and not literal. John is comparing the beauty of New Jerusalem as a bride on her wedding day!
Do you think that the city of God is not glorious right now?
Rev. 19:
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Do you think Jesus metaphorically marries New Jerusalem and it is not glorious until all the saints are given their fine linen?

As for Ephesians 5:
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Another important word to pay attention to: "NEVERTHELESS" The whole teaching about wives and husbands was a direct teaching about Christ and the Church! Verse 32.

Then Paul says- Nevertheless (even though this teaching is about Christ and the Church) verse 33.
Hope this helps.

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Hi nolidad,

I did notice the word `as` that is why I said it was a description of the glory of God.

The word `Lamb,` is never mentioned in relation to the Body of Christ. It is for Israel who had the sacrifices.

The Body of Christ is not in `fine linen` `the righteous acts of the saints,` for we are righteous through Christ. The Old Testament saints had to do righteous acts, (Heb. 11: 33) & Israel when the Lord comes will also have had to.

Eph. 5 Christ and His church which is His BODY. (Eph.1: 23)

And it is the Lord who will present us to Himself. `Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling and PRESENT YOU faultless before the presence of His glory..` (Jude 24)

Marilyn.

nolidad said:

Do not confuse Israel with the bride of Christ.

Israel in SCripture is called the wife of Jehovah!
the church is the bride of Christ

Th8ere is a difference in teh Jewish economy between a wife and bride!

And do not worry, if you are trusting in th edeath burial and resurrection of Jesus as the only payjment for your sins- dead or alive when Jesus descends to the atmnosphere and has Michael blow the trumpet- your gone!!!!!!

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I'm horrible! Please forgive me!

You meant raptured! Duh!!!

Let my ignorance stand against me.

Please forgive me, Brother! I'm so sorry!

I thought you meant gone as in, in big trouble.. I'm so sorry!

nolidad said:

How can me telling you you will be part of the rapture is railing against the gospel????????????????

If you look in Isaiah 62 these are verses making comparisons!

But asd for Israel being the wife of Jehovah?

“Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.” (Jer. Jer. 3:14)

Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. (Jer. Jer. 31:31-33

Even though Israel proved to be an unfaithful wife which God put away by divorce, He promises to remain faithful to her in His relationship as husband. Moreover, in order to divorce her, she had to first be married.

Bring charges against your mother, bring charges; For she is not; For she is not My wife, nor am I her Husband! Let her put away her harlotries from her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts

As unfaithful as Israel has been, God promises to stand by her. Their husband-wife relationship will be reestablished:

“And it shall be, in that day,” says the Lord, “That you will call Me ‘My Husband,’ And no longer call Me ‘My Master.’ ” (Hos. Hos. 2:16

I will betroth you to Me forever; yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and justice, in lovingkindness and mercy; I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness, and you shall know the Lord. (Hos. Hos. 2:19-20
Israel in her land was the wife of Jehovah (Jer. Jer. 3:14-20; Isa. Isa. 54:1)

I do not reject grace and I know that Israel will be remarried to Jehovah (Father) and the church will be wed to Jesus (the lamb)

Teh bible makes a distinction- we should as well!

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Brother... in apology... I set all aside and say thank you for what you’ve written...

I really hope you see this. I ask your forgiveness.

nolidad said:

How can me telling you you will be part of the rapture is railing against the gospel????????????????

If you look in Isaiah 62 these are verses making comparisons!

But asd for Israel being the wife of Jehovah?

“Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.” (Jer. Jer. 3:14)

Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. (Jer. Jer. 31:31-33

Even though Israel proved to be an unfaithful wife which God put away by divorce, He promises to remain faithful to her in His relationship as husband. Moreover, in order to divorce her, she had to first be married.

Bring charges against your mother, bring charges; For she is not; For she is not My wife, nor am I her Husband! Let her put away her harlotries from her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts

As unfaithful as Israel has been, God promises to stand by her. Their husband-wife relationship will be reestablished:

“And it shall be, in that day,” says the Lord, “That you will call Me ‘My Husband,’ And no longer call Me ‘My Master.’ ” (Hos. Hos. 2:16

I will betroth you to Me forever; yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and justice, in lovingkindness and mercy; I will betroth you to Me in faithfulness, and you shall know the Lord. (Hos. Hos. 2:19-20
Israel in her land was the wife of Jehovah (Jer. Jer. 3:14-20; Isa. Isa. 54:1)

I do not reject grace and I know that Israel will be remarried to Jehovah (Father) and the church will be wed to Jesus (the lamb)

Teh bible makes a distinction- we should as well!

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Hi nolidad,

Good to see some many scriptures there telling us that Israel is the bride/wife of God. It is a symbol for God`s relationship with Israel, that of master. There is no `marriage` as we know it, to God. That is ridiculous. There is no marriages in heaven and God does not take for Himself a `bride` in the literal sense. It refers to His being their master, their owner, as He made them a nation, and He has taken on the responsibility to care for them and bring them to Himself through the Lord Jesus Christ.

And this connecting to Israel again, (after the `divorce`) is referred to as `marriage.` A celebration that God again is their master. This occurs at the end of the tribulation when the Lord delivers Israel from their enemies.

The Body of Christ, the New Man is masculine, as is the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. The term `Lamb` with a capital `L` always refers to Israel and NOT the Body of Christ. The Lamb, (`L`) is from Israel`s sacrifices, as we, the Body of Christ never had sacrifices of animals..

regards, Marilyn.

Grip Docility said:

Brother... in apology... I set all aside and say thank you for what you’ve written...

I really hope you see this. I ask your forgiveness.

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Completely forgiven and forgotten!

Marilyn C said:

Hi nolidad,

Good to see some many scriptures there telling us that Israel is the bride/wife of God. It is a symbol for God`s relationship with Israel, that of master. There is no `marriage` as we know it, to God. That is ridiculous. There is no marriages in heaven and God does not take for Himself a `bride` in the literal sense. It refers to His being their master, their owner, as He made them a nation, and He has taken on the responsibility to care for them and bring them to Himself through the Lord Jesus Christ.

And this connecting to Israel again, (after the `divorce`) is referred to as `marriage.` A celebration that God again is their master. This occurs at the end of the tribulation when the Lord delivers Israel from their enemies.

The Body of Christ, the New Man is masculine, as is the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. The term `Lamb` with a capital `L` always refers to Israel and NOT the Body of Christ. The Lamb, (`L`) is from Israel`s sacrifices, as we, the Body of Christ never had sacrifices of animals..

regards, Marilyn.

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The Lamb refers to Jesus.

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away thesin of the world.

Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. (Jesus in heaven not Israel in heaven)

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 5:12
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Revelation 6:1
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lambshall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Revelation 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Grip Docility said:

I'm horrible! Please forgive me!

You meant raptured! Duh!!!

Let my ignorance stand against me.

Please forgive me, Brother! I'm so sorry!

I thought you meant gone as in in big trouble.. I'm so sorry!

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No problem.

Marilyn C said:

Hi nolidad,

I did notice the word `as` that is why I said it was a description of the glory of God.

The word `Lamb,` is never mentioned in relation to the Body of Christ. It is for Israel who had the sacrifices.

The Body of Christ is not in `fine linen` `the righteous acts of the saints,` for we are righteous through Christ. The Old Testament saints had to do righteous acts, (Heb. 11: 33) & Israel when the Lord comes will also have had to.

Eph. 5 Christ and His church which is His BODY. (Eph.1: 23)

And it is the Lord who will present us to Himself. `Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling and PRESENT YOU faultless before the presence of His glory..` (Jude 24)

Marilyn.

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But the Lamb sacrifices, though did cover sin (not erase them) were a type and shadow of Gods Lamb- the Lord Jesus when He was sacrificed did erase sin!

And see below for all the references of the Lamb and the Body of Christ.

As for fine linen? WE are righteous because Jesus is our righteousness- but we do receive rewards for obedience toGod as stated in Corinthians. People can earn crowns and the fine linen is the outward manifestation of our obedience to the will of God.

Do not confuse rewards for righteous living which are works (Ephesians 2:10) with our inherent righteousness which is Jesus Himself!

nolidad said:

The Lamb refers to Jesus.

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away thesin of the world.

Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. (Jesus in heaven not Israel in heaven)

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 5:12
Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Revelation 6:1
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Revelation 19:7
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

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Hi nolidad,

Thank you for writing out those different scriptures to do with the Lamb. The capital `L` means the Lamb is the sacrifice foretold in the sacrifices of Israel. So let`s see what they refer to.

John 1: 29 John the Baptist, an Israelite is telling the people that Jesus is THE sacrifice, THE Lamb that they foretell every Passover.

Rev. 5: 6, 8, 12. Here we have Jesus the `Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of David, and the Lamb as though slain.` All these show the Lord`s earthly identity. Remember in the context of the chapter they were looking for a man, a worthy man to open the seals and bring judgment. (Rev. 6: 1) Thus we see the Lord is `king of ruling tribe, (Judah) from ruling family, (David) and the one who gave His life as the ultimate sacrifice, (Lamb).

The Church the Body of Christ is honouring the Lord, whose earthly identity related to Israel.

Rev. 7: 14. The great multitude who come out of the tribulation are saved by the blood of the Lamb, Israel`s Messiah. This is who they are told to believe in by the 144,000 Israelis who go about preaching the coming kingdom rule of their Messiah in the millennium.

Rev. 13: 8 These people are also looking for the coming Jewish Messiah
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Rev. 17: 14 The Lord, Israel`s Messiah will come as their deliverer, their Messiah and overcome their enemies.

Rev.19: 7 Finally when the Lord comes as Israel`s Messiah, He reveals Himself to them, (Zech.13: 10) and then after they mourn, there will be rejoicing, and the blessed ones, (Dan. 12: 12) will celebrate the connecting again, (symbol marriage) of Israel with their Master, (Heb. for husband) through the Lord Jesus, their messiah, their Lamb.

Marilyn.

Hi nolidad,

Thought I`d add this scripture you may have missed -

` (those who have the victory over the beast)....And they sang the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb....` (Rev. 15: 2 & 3)

Here we see the connection with Israel - Moses and the Lamb. (capital `L`)

Marilyn.

nolidad said:

But the Lamb sacrifices, though did cover sin (not erase them) were a type and shadow of Gods Lamb- the Lord Jesus when He was sacrificed did erase sin!

And see below for all the references of the Lamb and the Body of Christ.

As for fine linen? WE are righteous because Jesus is our righteousness- but we do receive rewards for obedience to God as stated in Corinthians. People can earn crowns and the fine linen is the outward manifestation of our obedience to the will of God.

Do not confuse rewards for righteous living which are works (Ephesians 2:10) with our inherent righteousness which is Jesus Himself!

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Hi nolidad.

Yes we agree that those sacrifices were a type and shadow of God`s Lamb. The title Lamb, (capital `L`) always refers to the Lord relationship with Israel.

Also agree that the Lord is our righteousness and we do not earn it by works. Notice however that those in Heb. 11 did not have this privilege but had their righteousness accounted to them because they believed God for the promise, (of the city). (Heb.11: 13 - 16)

Marilyn.

nolidad said: ↑
The Lamb refers to Jesus.

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away thesin of the world.

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Marilyn C said:

Hi nolidad,

Thought I`d add this scripture you may have missed -

` (those who have the victory over the beast)....And they sang the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb....` (Rev. 15: 2 & 3)

Here we see the connection with Israel - Moses and the Lamb. (capital `L`)

Marilyn.

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Yes indeed. Practically all of Revelation has to do with Judah and Israel.

286. amnos am-nos' apparently a primary word; a lamb:--lamb.
G286 ἀμνός (amnos), occurs 4 times in 4 verses [Acts 8:32 1 Peter 1:19]

John 1:
29 On the next day, he sees Jesus coming to him and says, “Behold the Lamb<286> of God, the One taking away the sin of the world.
35 On the next day John again was standing, and two of his disciples. 36 And having looked at Jesus walking, he says, “Behold the Lamb<286> of God!” 37 And the two disciples heard him speaking, and followed Jesus.

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Song of Moses

Coincidentally, these have the same chapter #'s

Exodus 15:
1 Then sang Mosheh and the sons of Yisra'el this song unto Yahweh and they spake saying,--"I will sing to Yahweh for He is exalted exalted,--
The horse and his rider hath He cast into the Sea.
2 My might and melody is Yah, and He became mine salvation.--
This is my 'El and I will glorify Him, 'Elohiym of my father and I will set Him on high". '

Revelation 15:3
and They are singing the Song of-Mosheh, the bond-servant of the God, and the song of the Lamb-kin<721>, saying, `Great and marvelous the works of Thee, Lord!, the God, the Almighty, just and true the ways of Thee, the king of the [*Ages/Saints] Nations

While studying the Greek in Revelation, I noticed a different Greek word, #721 used than in John 1.
In fact it is used in only 1 other verse outside of Revelation. Just thought that was interesting.

704. aren ar-ane' perhaps the same as 730; a lamb (as a male):--lamb.
720. arneomai ar-neh'-om-ahee perhaps from 1 (as a negative particle) and the middle voice of 4483; to contradict, i.e. disavow, reject, abnegate:--deny, refuse. [Reve 2:13, Reve 3:8]
721. arnion ar-nee'-on diminutive from 704; a lambkin:--lamb.


721. arnion ar-nee'-on diminutive from 704; a lambkin:--lamb.
G721 ἀρνίον (arnion), occurs 30 times in 28 verses

Jhn 21:15
So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Feed My lambs<721>.”

The "lambkin" in Revelation and John 21 question
The "lambkin" in Revelation and John 21 question

Marilyn C said:

Hi nolidad.

Yes we agree that those sacrifices were a type and shadow of God`s Lamb. The title Lamb, (capital `L`) always refers to the Lord relationship with Israel.

Also agree that the Lord is our righteousness and we do not earn it by works. Notice however that those in Heb. 11 did not have this privilege but had their righteousness accounted to them because they believed God for the promise, (of the city). (Heb.11: 13 - 16)

Marilyn.

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HI Marylin:

Once again you are conflating our inherent righteousness which is Jesus Himself, with our reward for "righteous acts" which is working out what God worked in. Our inherent righteousness is different from the righteous acts we perform, though those righteous acts can only be performed because Jesus is our righteousness!

And I cannot agreethat the title Lamb of God always refers to Jesus' relationship to Israel.

JOhn said behold the Lamb who takes away the sins of the WORLD!

In Revelation the Lamb opens the seals which affect the world.

In the OT a gentile had to become a Jew and have his sins coverd by the sacrificial lamb.

In the NT a gentile gets saved by turning to the Lamb of God and having his sins erased!

LittleLambofJesus said:

Yes indeed. Practically all of Revelation has to do with Judah and Israel.

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While the purpose of the events in revelation (the 70th week of Daniel) is focused on the nation to be saved, the bowls and trumpets as well as the sealing of the 144,000 Jews are worldwide.

The tribulation has 2 purposes- to bring Israel to a saving relationship with their Messiah and to punish the nations for destroying the world.

and as you posted arnion occurs 30X and 28 times it refers to Jesus. Also the Song in Revelation is a dual song, 1 the Song of Moses and 2 the Song of the Lamb (Jesus)