Did the event of 1948 Israel fulfill any Bible prophecy?

Did event of Israel 1948 fulfill any Bible prophecy?


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He won't take possession until he returns. He's the owner-in-absentia.
That doesn't agree with any formal form of Christianity that I'm aware of.

In the creeds we state that "He is seated at the right hand of the Father....." which refers to this passage (notice the grammatical tense):

Ephesians 1:20-23 ~ “[God] raised [Christ] from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places… . He put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.”



Quoting from Ligonier Ministries:
Our study of Christ’s ascension to heaven has thus far emphasized the critical nature of this event to our Savior coming into His kingdom. In line with the prophecy of Daniel 7:13–14, Jesus predicted that He would return to the immediate presence of His Father and receive the kingdom that was appointed for Him upon the completion of His earthly ministry (Matt. 24:29–30). Christ’s reception of His kingdom is closely connected to several other events besides His ascension, one of which is the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. The fall of the temple and priesthood was a visible, historical confirmation that the Messiah had come and, as the final High Priest, inaugurated a new covenant through the shedding of His blood (Heb. 9:1–10:18).

In addition to Jesus’ ascension and Jerusalem’s destruction, the session, or seating, of Christ at the Father’s right hand is also a part of His coming into His kingdom. Since the gospel tells us about the kingdom of God, we must understand the enthronement of our King. Consequently, in the Apostles’ Creed we confess that Jesus is “seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.” The Heidelberg Catechism examines this aspect of our confession in question and answer 50.
God’s right hand is the place of “highest favor with God the Father” (WLC, Q&A 54), and the phrase is used throughout Scripture to indicate His power and sovereignty (Ex. 15:6; Isa. 48:13). To say that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father is to say, as John Calvin explains, that “Christ was invested with lordship over heaven and earth, and solemnly entered into possession of the government committed to him — and that he not only entered into possession once for all, but continues in it, until he shall come down on Judgment Day(Institutes 2.16.15).

In sitting at the right hand of God, Jesus sits on the “throne of his father David” (Luke 1:26–33). He is the Messiah of Israel, “the highest of the kings of the earth” and the fulfillment of the Lord’s promise to keep the offspring of David on the throne forever. (Ps. 89:19–37). We are not waiting for Jesus to enter into His messianic reign, He enjoys it now. All of His enemies are being put under His feet as His gospel is preached and His kingdom expands (1 Cor. 15:20–28). ~ Ligonier Ministries



The Orthodox church acknowledges that God's last enemy is death - and He has trampled down and destroyed death by His death on the cross.

Quoting from Ancient Faith blog:
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The Orthodox resurrection icon depicts what is known as the harrowing of hell. It shows our God and Savior in hell setting the captives free. Where the Western image shows Christ by himself with the angel looking on, the Orthodox icon shows Christ surrounded by people. The Western depiction has a serenity like the calm after a storm, the Orthodox icon has more of a busy excitement of a military victory to it.





Western Depiction of the Resurrection
The teaching of the harrowing or the ransacking of hell is not confined to East. It is a catholic (universal) belief of the early Church. Western Christians confess it every time they recite the Apostles Creed:

He suffered under Pontius Pilate,

Crucified, died, and was buried,

He descended to the dead,

On the third day he rose again.

Because the Apostles’ Creed is part of both the Roman Catholic and the Protestant traditions, Reformed Christians should also have no problem affirming Christ’s descent into hell. Calvin in his Institutes (2.16.8) referred to it as “a matter of no small moment in bringing about redemption.



How to Read an Icon


Eastern Orthodox Resurrection Icon
We do not so much look at an icon as we read an icon, that is, we discern the meanings behind the symbolism. Icons have been referred to as sermons in color. The best way to read an icon is to start at the center, at the person depicted, then to look outward.

The first thing we see is Christ all dressed in white which symbolizes the divine light or the heavenly realm. We also see the mandorla or orb of glory around him. These indicate Christ’s divinity and brings to mind the line in the Nicene Creed: “Light from Light, true God from true God.”

Next looking down we see Christ standing on top of the broken gates of hell. The doors are laid on top each other in the shape of the cross. Over the shattered doors we see in some icons Death defeated and in other icons we see a black abyss filled with the instruments of torture.

When reading an icon, we look at the subject’s hands. Looking to the right and left of the resurrection icon we see Christ grabbing hold of our ancestral parents Adam and Eve pulling them out of the tombs. If one looks closely we that it is Christ grabbing hold of them; we do not see them grabbing hold of Christ. This shows our salvation being dependent on Christ’s power, not on our strength. In the background we see a crowd of people, some having halos around their heads and others without a halo. The halos signify their being saints, that is, the perfection of their salvation. A hymn in the Great Friday Vespers has this stanza:

When You, the Redeemer of all, were placed in a new Tomb for us all, Hades, the respecter of none, crouched when he saw You. The bars were broken, the gates were shattered, the graves were opened, and the dead arose. Then Adam, gratefully rejoicing, cried out to You: “Glory to Your condescension, O Merciful God.”



East and West: Different Emphases

Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection are affirmed in both Western Christianity (Roman Catholic and Protestant) and in Eastern Orthodoxy. The differences in emphases reflect their respective theological paradigms. In the Western tradition greater emphasis is placed on the penal substitution understanding of salvation, that is, the innocent Son of God suffering or being punished on behalf of the law breakers who deserve eternal condemnation. In the Eastern tradition there seems to be a reticence to expound on the forensic understanding of Christ’s death on the Cross. It sees other themes like renewal and deification:

You transform the mortal by death, and the corrupt by burial; for as befits God, You have made incorruptible and immortal the nature you assumed; for Your body, O Master, did not see corruption, nor was Your soul abandoned as a stranger in Hades. (Great Friday Evening Service, Fifth Ode)

The Orthodox Church also interprets Christ’s death on the Cross typologically:

You came from a Virgin who knew no travail; Your side, O my Creator, was pierced by which You accomplished the re-creation of Eve, having Yourself become Adam. Supernaturally, You fell into a sleep that renewed nature, awakening life from sleep and corruption, as the Almighty. (Great Friday Evening Service, Fifth Ode)

As a Protestant I knew about typological interpretation but in these services I gain new insights into Christ’s death on the Cross. I had never thought of Eve’s coming from Adam’s rib (Genesis 2:21-22) as a type of the death and resurrection of Christ and the birth of the church!

In Orthodoxy there is an eagerness to expound on the significance of Christ’s resurrection. It views Christ’s resurrection as the reversal of the Fall, the creation of a new humanity, a great victory over Satan, our being released from death, the ultimate healing of our souls and bodies.

When You, the Immortal Life descended to Death, it was then, that You put Hades to death by the lightning of the Godhead; and when You raised up the dead from the infernal depths, all the Heavenly Powers cried aloud: “O Giver of Life, Christ our God, glory to You.” (Matins of the Resurrection) ~ Christ is Risen from the Grave! Trampling Down Death by Death! - Orthodox Reformed Bridge

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In my opinion, the most destructive thing to have happened to our faith was the great schism of 1053. Since then, there's been so much division and distance from our original faith (thankfully much has also been preserved).​
 
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Jesus said (recorded in Matthew):

Matthew 26:64 (again - notice the grammatical tense) ~
"You have said it yourself," Jesus answered. "But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

2 Timothy 1:10
And now He has revealed this grace through the appearing of our Savior,
Christ Jesus, who has abolished death and illuminated the way to life and immortality through the gospel,
 
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Jesus said (recorded in Matthew):

Matthew 26:64 (again - notice the grammatical tense) ~
"You have said it yourself," Jesus answered. "But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

2 Timothy 1:10
And now He has revealed this grace through the appearing of our Savior,
Christ Jesus, who has abolished death and illuminated the way to life and immortality through the gospel,

Jesus only reigns in the church and that by his spirit. He does not yet reign on the secular earth.
 
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the Kingdom of God is in the hands of the church until Christ returns as Lord.

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

What I mean by possess is having something in your possession. Jesus is heir to all things, but not yet the possessor of all things.
The passage you're using to support your argument actually discredits it. Maybe a different version will help to make that more clear?

Revelation 11:15 ~ Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever."
 
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He does not yet reign on the secular earth.
He reigns when we do His will in each opportunity given to us where that's possible.

To look for a physical kingdom - run like the powers of this world - is what the first century disbelievers did, and what caused them to reject Him as messiah.

I appreciate how Ray Vander Laan explains His current reign of His kingdom on earth. He says that Christ "brings shalom to a world in chaos". ~ Death and Resurrection of the Messiah - Bringing God's Shalom To A World In Chaos - Study Gateway
 
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The fact that Jesus does not reign on earth now, is verified when you open your eyes and you see who the present rulers of the nations are.
This is sincerely heartbreaking for me to read (and to know that you aren't alone in believing this). This is the same mindset that Atheists have (and, honestly, I can understand their disbelief and lack of hope in looking around this world around us).

But how sad to read a self-professing Christian to state such a thing - that Christ's victory is off in the future (and to ignore what Classical Christianity teaches about Calvary, His resurrection, His ascension into heaven, Pentecost, and the destruction of the Temple/animal sacrifices/oppressive religious system).

Our hope and faith aren't wishes for the future. They are "ever present".

Psalm 46 ~ God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in times of trouble.

Psalm 9:9
The LORD is a refuge for the oppressed, a stronghold in times of trouble.
 
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This is sincerely heartbreaking for me to read (and to know that you aren't alone in believing this). This is the same mindset that Atheists have (and, honestly, I can understand their disbelief and lack of hope in looking around this world around us).

But how sad to read a self-professing Christian to state such a thing - that Christ's victory is off in the future (and to ignore what Classical Christianity teaches about Calvary, His resurrection, His ascension into heaven, Pentecost, and the destruction of the Temple/animal sacrifices/oppressive religious system).

Our hope and faith aren't wishes for the future. They are "ever present".

Psalm 46 ~ God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in times of trouble.

Psalm 9:9
The LORD is a refuge for the oppressed, a stronghold in times of trouble.

So true, mkgal1. It is "defeatology", a symptom of the contemporary apostasy that pervades so much of the church.

Christ will not soon be returning for a bride whose garments are still thus spotted and wrinkled.
 
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The writing of N.T. Wright offers a much more hopeful narrative (and, IMO, more true to Scripture's original meaning).

Quoting article from Relevant Magazine:
Whether you’ve been around Christianity for years or are new to faith, you probably know the Easter story. It goes something like this: Humans are sinners; Jesus died as a sacrifice, paying for our sins; and then three days later, Jesus came to life again—the result of which is that His followers can go to heaven when they die. But what if we’re getting it all wrong?

Many people have grown up assuming that is what the cross is all about,” says world-renowned theologian, scholar and author of The Day the Revolution Began, N.T. Wright. “And the awful thing is that this message about an angry God and an innocent victim has a lot more in common with ancient Pagan thought than with ancient Jewish or Christian thought.”

Wright thinks Christians are missing something important about their most holy day.

“When you start thinking about it, you realize that when people talk about the cross, usually they start by saying we were given this moral examination, and we all flunked it so now we all have to die,” Wright says. “And fortunately for us, someone else has died in our place. It’s better to believe that than to believe nothing. But it’s simply not the way that the Bible itself tells the story.”


What’s the better, biblical formulation?
I think the critical thing is this: Most Christian theories of atonement have not really taken the four Gospels seriously at all.

They’ve tended to go for Paul and Hebrews and have put them into a different scheme because the four Gospels don’t appear to be addressing questions of the meaning of the cross in the way we wish they had done.

But what the four Gospels are doing is talking about the coming of God’s Kingdom. Jesus says, “The Kingdom of God is at hand.” When you look at the crucifixion narratives in all four Gospels, it’s all about Jesus being enthroned as king. ~ N.T. Wright on Easter, Atonement and the Real Message of the Cross | RELEVANT Magazine
 
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Not only that, but we are plainly told that Satan is the current prince of this world. Matthew 4:8-9, Ephesians 6:10-11, 1 Peter 5:8
That was all written pre 70 A.D.

I believe it wasn't one single event that caused Jesus to rightfully take His throne, but instead, a nexus of events to "set things right" spiritually.
 
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It appears that John thought the end was imminent.

I agree.
In fact all his writings are saturated with his this belief.

How could he have been so wrong?

Was he not inspired by the HS to write everything he wrote?

Was the HS also mistaken?

If our belief rests on the notion that John and the Holy Spirit who inspired him could have been so wrong about something so important as the timing of the end, and in turn taught this glaring error to their flocks, How can we trust they were correct about anything else they taught?
 
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This is sincerely heartbreaking for me to read (and to know that you aren't alone in believing this). This is the same mindset that Atheists have (and, honestly, I can understand their disbelief and lack of hope in looking around this world around us).

But how sad to read a self-professing Christian to state such a thing - that Christ's victory is off in the future (and to ignore what Classical Christianity teaches about Calvary, His resurrection, His ascension into heaven, Pentecost, and the destruction of the Temple/animal sacrifices/oppressive religious system).

Our hope and faith aren't wishes for the future. They are "ever present".

Psalm 46 ~ God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in times of trouble.

Psalm 9:9
The LORD is a refuge for the oppressed, a stronghold in times of trouble.

We are in the church age, represented by the early harvest. The greater harvest is yet to come. Jesus is gathering his church at this time, not the world at large.
 
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I agree.
In fact all his writings are saturated with his this belief.

How could he have been so wrong?

Was he not inspired by the HS to write everything he wrote?

Was the HS also mistaken?

If our belief rests on the notion that John and the Holy Spirit who inspired him could have been so wrong about something so important as the timing of the end, and in turn taught this glaring error to their flocks, How can we trust they were correct about anything else they taught?

It makes little difference if we can't agree on scripture.
 
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The passage you're using to support your argument actually discredits it. Maybe a different version will help to make that more clear?

Revelation 11:15 ~ Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever."

Do you believe that the seventh angel has sounded? Lots of thing have to happen first.

Do you believe that the 'seven churches' also represent the church through the ages until the end?
 
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It makes little difference if we can't agree on scripture.
Well I suppose you’re right about that, for I will likely never agree with someone who’s interpretation of Scripture rests on the notion that the apostles were in error and perpetuated that error through their teachings.

It would be impossible for me to come to agreement with anyone who believes that.
 
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Well I suppose you’re right about that, for I will likely never agree with someone who’s interpretation of Scripture rests on the notion that the apostles were in error and perpetrated that error through their teachings.

It would be impossible for me to come to agreement with anyone who believes that.

You may take the high road if you wish.
 
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The "Day of the Lord" is the theme of Revelation.
Some insight I've come across about the Day of the Lord (which - in the NT - is used in 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2; Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 1:8 ; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; and 2 Peter 3:10 - not Revelation) But, really, this term is used mostly in the Old Testament:

Quoting from linked article:
The Coming Day of the LORD
“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes. And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction” (vv. 5–6).​
- Malachi 4

Judahites living in the middle of the fifth century BC found themselves in what seemed to be a hopeless situation. Though back in their land, they were not in charge of their own destiny, as they were but a small province of the mighty Persian Empire. The temple was rebuilt, but God’s presence had not yet returned to the Holy of Holies (Mal. 3:1). David’s line had no throne in Jerusalem. In sum, none of the great restoration promises seemed to be coming true (Deut. 30:1–10; Amos 9:11–15; Mic. 4:1–5). Thus, we are not surprised that the Jews who lacked faith looked around them and said, to paraphrase it: “What is the point of serving Yahweh? We are getting no blessing from it” (Mal. 3:13–14).​


Those of faith such as Malachi, however, saw the real problem. God was not unfaithful to His promises; rather, the nation as a whole remained unfaithful to the covenant. Full restoration was dependent upon true repentance, but this repentance was not forthcoming (Lev. 26:40–45; Dan. 9). Blemished sacrifices were being offered. The tithe was being withheld from the Lord. The poor, the widow, the orphan, and the foreigner living in the land were being oppressed (Mal. 1–3). By and large, the people were no longer worshipping idols. But this was merely superficial, for they were not truly worshipping the one true God.

By the end of Malachi’s ministry, the prophet understood that the restoration could not come without God’s mightily and dramatically intervening as He did in days of old. It would take a prophet no less than Elijah, whose miracles and boldness proved without a shadow of a doubt that He was God’s spokesman, to preach the message that would bring about true repentance (Mal. 4:5–6). The day of the Lord, the day in which He completes salvation, sets Israel over the nations, and defeats all of His enemies would come, but not before Elijah returned (vv. 1–4). He would be the messenger to prepare the way of the Lord (3:1a; see Isa. 40:3–5). Immediately following Elijah’s ministry, the Lord Himself would come to His temple, to His repentant people, and He would refine them in glory that they would serve Him all of their days (Mal. 3:1b–4).

With the end of the ministry of Malachi, the voice of prophecy fell silent in Israel—but not forever. The great day of the Lord in which He reveals His mighty arm of salvation would come. David would return to His throne. The conditions of exile would be ended. But the faithful old covenant believer would have to wait just a little bit longer to see all this. ~ Ligonier Ministries


Quoting another article about His visitation:
“For this is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord God of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.”

And, after telling of Nebuchadnezzar’s attack that would come against Egypt He continues in verse 21,

“…they did not stand, because the day of their calamity was come upon them, and the time of their visitation.”

The day of vengeance was the same as the day of the Lord. The day of their calamity was the same as the time of their visitation.

Hosea 9:7,

“The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.”

Micah 7:4, “…the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity.” (KJV)

We can begin to see that a “day of visitation” was when the Lord (YHWH) would visit the people in anger to mete out judgment against the wicked. His coming to them was seen by the people in various ways: foreign armies, droughts, famines, locusts, disease / pestilence, etc. All of these were His rods and messengers, His agents and weapons (Isa. 10:5; 13:5; 66:16; Jer. 50:25). ~ https://shreddingtheveil.org/2017/08/08/the-days-of-his-visitation/

Leviticus 14 ~

Instructions pertaining to an unclean home (and Temple)

Jesus "cleanses the Temple":
Matthew 21:12-13,Mark 11:15-18


 
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Jesus said (recorded in Matthew):

Matthew 26:64 (again - notice the grammatical tense) ~
"You have said it yourself," Jesus answered. "But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

2 Timothy 1:10
And now He has revealed this grace through the appearing of our Savior,
Christ Jesus, who has abolished death and illuminated the way to life and immortality through the gospel,
I wonder if they were aware of Jeremiah 4 and the 70ad Jerusalem/Temple Olivet discourse Jesus gave.

Jeremiah 4 [Matthew 24:30 Matthew 26:64 Revelation 1:7]
13 “Behold, as clouds he shall come up, And his chariots like a whirlwind. His horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us, for we are plundered!”
14 O Jerusalem, wash your heart from wickedness, That you may be saved.
How long shall your evil thoughts lodge within you? [Matthew 23:37 Luke 13:34]

Matthew 26:64
Jesus is saying to him "thou say,
moreover I am saying to ye from present<737> ye shall be seeing the Son of the Man sitting out of the rights<1188> of the Power and coming upon the clouds of the heaven

Mark 14:62
The yet Jesus said, 'I<1473> AM<1510>;
and ye shall be seeing the Son of the Man sitting out of rights<1188> of the Power and coming with the clouds of the heaven
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:30 [Revelation 1:7]
And then shall be appearing<5316> the sign of the Son of the Man in heaven
and then shall be grieving<2875> all the tribes of the land
and they shall be seeing the Son of the Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven with much power and glory.

Mark 13:26
And then they shall be seeing the Son of the Man coming in clouds with much power and glory.

Why does Luke 21:27 use the singular "cloud" instead of "clouds"?

Luke 21:27
And then they shall see the Son of Man, coming in a cloud, with power and much glory;
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Revelation 1:7 [Jeremiah 4:13 Matthew 24:30]
Behold! He is coming with the clouds and shall be seeing<3700> Him every eye even/also those who Him they pierce<1574>
and shall be wailing<2875> over Him all the tribes of the land. Yea, Amen.

Revelation 18:9 [Matthew 23:37 Luke 13:34]

And shall be lamenting<2799> over Her and shall be wailing<2875> over Her the kings of the land, those with Her committing whoredom and indulging
whenever they may be beholding<991> the smoke of Her burning<4451>.
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Luke 23:
27 Followed yet to Him a vast multitude of the people and of women were. And wailed<2875> and dirged over Him.
28 Being turned yet toward them, Jesus said "Daughters of Jerusalem no be lamenting over Me, moreover for yourselves be-lamenting, and upon the children of ye.
[Isaiah 4:4/Reve 18:19]

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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD


History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ; the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION

 
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We are in the church age,
I only see two ages spoken of in the NT - "this present age" and "the age to come" (which was spoken of/written of prior to 70 A.D.). I believe we're already in "the age to come", which was future for the NT authors.
 
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