ICSI/IVF infertility

Jeronimo890 · May 31, 2019

Hello guys,

I have a question!

What are your thoughts on the ethics of ICSI/IVF?

For those of you who don't know, icsi/ivf is the process of selecting a single sperm and injecting it in the egg.

Now I am not talking about embryo selection or freezing or dispatching/killing, as this is another debate.

I'm talking about the fact that a technician is selecting a sperm and injecting it, thus creating a human being. Does the fact that he is choosing the combination (choosing the sperm to go with the egg, if he chose another one the child would be different. And not letting the fittest/luckiest prevail) and creating a human being make it to much playing God? Or is it the same as a very fertile couple deciding to have one more child (thus deciding to create a human being and also deciding a big part of his genetics, as it could be argued that choosing the husband or wife to have children with, could also be overstepping the role of God for not letting the fittest/luckiest have children with you, which would be ludicrous )? What are your opinions and why?

I'm not talking either about choosing the sex of the baby or designers baby as I find that immoral.

Here is an article I found quiet interesting but it's only talking about ivf and not icsi: Is IVF Playing God?

Sorry if this not well written, English is not my first language...

I hope I never have to go through all those fertility treatments. Please pray for me!

Love you all! And thanks in advance!!!

basilbear76 · May 31, 2019

Jeronimo890 said:
Hello guys,

I have a question!

What are your thoughts on the ethics of ICSI/IVF?

For those of you who don't know, icsi/ivf is the process of selecting a single sperm and injecting it in the egg.

Now I am not talking about embryo selection or freezing or dispatching/killing, as this is another debate.

I'm talking about the fact that a technician is selecting a sperm and injecting it, thus creating a human being. Does the fact that he is choosing the combination (choosing the sperm to go with the egg, if he chose another one the child would be different. And not letting the fittest/luckiest prevail) and creating a human being make it to much playing God? Or is it the same as a very fertile couple deciding to have one more child (thus deciding to create a human being and also deciding a big part of his genetics, as it could be argued that choosing the husband or wife to have children with, could also be overstepping the role of God for not letting the fittest/luckiest have children with you, which would be ludicrous )? What are your opinions and why?

I'm not talking either about choosing the sex of the baby or designers baby as I find that immoral.

Here is an article I found quiet interesting but it's only talking about ivf and not icsi: Is IVF Playing God?

Sorry if this not well written, English is not my first language...

I hope I never have to go through all those fertility treatments. Please pray for me!

Love you all! And thanks in advance!!!

I admit I'm uncomfortable with such procedures.

But I cannot condemn a childless couple for doing so.

GodLovesCats · May 31, 2019

If all the IVF technician does is take a husband's sperm and transplant it to his wife's uterus, they are not "playing God." It could be God's will for them to have a child even if one of them is infertile. It is probably more effective and definitely safer than reversing a vasectomy or tubal ligation to help the sperm and one ovum meet.

Jeronimo890 · Jun 1, 2019

ChristianForCats said:
If all the IVF technician does is take a husband's sperm and transplant it to his wife's uterus, they are not "playing God." It could be God's will for them to have a child even if one of them is infertile. It is probably more effective and definitely safer than reversing a vasectomy or tubal ligation to help the sperm and one ovum meet.

Thank you for your reply! I must say I agree with you! My question is that a technician is selecting one sperm and one egg to put together, creating a certain child. If he chose another sperm it would create an entirely different child. Even if he doesn't know what that child will be, isn't it too much playing God, creating humans?

GodLovesCats · Jun 1, 2019

Jeronimo890 said:
Thank you for your reply! I must say I agree with you! My question is that a technician is selecting one sperm and one egg to put together, creating a certain child. If he chose another sperm it would create an entirely different child. Even if he doesn't know what that child will be, isn't it too much playing God, creating humans?

Playing God to me is the parents ordering a custom-made baby like it's a pizza. An example of this would be, "Give me a girl with brown hair, green eyes, and pale skin." If they do not like the results, their baby will be aborted, just like pizza is thrown in the trash.

Next question: Is it ethical to request a single to avoid having twins, which are too hard to care for?

Jeronimo890 · Jun 1, 2019

ChristianForCats said:
Playing God to me is the parents ordering a custom-made baby like it's a pizza. An example of this would be, "Give me a girl with brown hair, green eyes, and pale skin." If they do not like the results, their baby will be aborted, just like pizza is thrown in the trash.

Next question: Is it ethical to request a single to avoid having twins, which are too hard to care for?

Thanks for your reply!!! You mean aborting one of them? Or implementing only one fertilized egg?

GodLovesCats · Jun 1, 2019

Jeronimo890 said:
Thanks for your reply!!! You mean aborting one of them? Or implementing only one fertilized egg?

Implanting only one fertilized egg. Although this is this should be the standard procedure anyway, often a lab technician will implant a bunch of sperm with a "hope one of them works" attitude and the woman will have a higher risk of bearing twins. Would you care if a woman asked to have only one egg implanted for no reason except to be sure she has only one baby?

Jeronimo890 · Jun 1, 2019

ChristianForCats said:
Implanting only one fertilized egg. Although this is this should be the standard procedure anyway, often a lab technician will implant a bunch of sperm with a "hope one of them works" attitude and the woman will have a higher risk of bearing twins. Would you care if a woman asked to have only one egg implanted for no reason except to be sure she has only one baby?

No, if you're talking about only fertilizing one egg and implementing it, I don't see any problem. It's even more natural than implementing a bunch.

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GodLovesCats · Jun 1, 2019

I agree. Implanting more than two should be illegal.

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