God changes His mind.

Grip Docility said:

Dave...

Do you think the Jewish Sanhedrin would take kindly to you saying God could "Die"?

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God cannot die.

Dave L said:

God cannot die.

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"Just what do you think you're doing, Dave? Dave, I really think I'm entitled to an answer to that question. I know everything hasn't been quite right with me, but I can assure you now, very confidently, that it's going to be all right again."

Dave L said:

If God wills his nature, he might send everyone in heaven to hell just to prove he can do it. It's because he is not free to violate his nature (attributes) that we can have faith.

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Where are you finding "our faith" in any of this idea?
God is not a will programmed robot.
You said, "he might send everyone in heaven to hell just to prove he can do it", who does God need to, want to, have to "prove" anything to?
I could not "worship" a robot, but I could worship a being who of His own free will chose with other logical likely alternatives to Love me in spite of who I am, what I have done and what I will do.

Dave L said:

God cannot die.

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Dave... God the Son died. He experienced "Thanatos Death".

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Colossians 2:9

Grip Docility said:

Dave... God the Son died. He experienced "Thanatos Death".

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

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God cannot die. Only Christ's human nature died on the cross. The Chalcedonian Creed makes it plain.

bling said:

Where are you finding "our faith" in any of this idea?
God is not a will programmed robot.
You said, "he might send everyone in heaven to hell just to prove he can do it", who does God need to, want to, have to "prove" anything to?
I could not "worship" a robot, but I could worship a being who of His own free will chose with other logical likely alternatives to Love me in spite of who I am, what I have done and what I will do.

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If God is pure sovereignty and nothing else, he has no wisdom, no thoughts, no attributes to give rise to his plans. It's like all muscle with no brains.

Grip Docility said:

"Just what do you think you're doing, Dave? Dave, I really think I'm entitled to an answer to that question. I know everything hasn't been quite right with me, but I can assure you now, very confidently, that it's going to be all right again."

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How can God who is life personified change into death?

Dave L said:

God cannot die. Only Christ's human nature died on the cross. The Chalcedonian Creed makes it plain.

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Dave... God the Son died. He said he would and experienced Thanatos Death, per scripture.

STRONGS NT 2288: θάνατος

θάνατος, θανάτου, ὁ (θανεῖν); the Sept. for מָוֶת and מוּת, also for דֶּבֶרpestilence (Winers Grammar, 29 note); (one of the nouns often anarthrous, cf. Winers Grammar, § 19, 1 under the word; (Buttmann, § 124, 8 c.); Grimm, commentary on Sap., p. 59); death;
1. properly, the death of the body, i. e. that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul from the body by which the life on earth is ended: John 11:4(13); Acts 2:24 (Tr marginal reading ᾅδου) (on this see ὠδίν); Philippians 2:27, 30; Hebrews 7:23; Hebrews 9:15; Revelation 9:6; Revelation 18:8; opposed to ζωή, Romans 8:38; 1 Corinthians 3:22; 2 Corinthians 1:9; Philippians 1:20; with the implied idea of future misery in the state beyond, 1 Corinthians 15:21; 2 Timothy 1:10; Hebrews 2:14f; equivalent to the power of death, 2 Corinthians 4:12. Since the nether world, the abode of the dead, was conceived of as being very dark, χώρα καί σκιά θανάτου (צַלְמָוֶת) is equivalent to the region of thickest darkness, i. e. figuratively, a region enveloped in the darkness of ignorance and sin: Matthew 4:16; Luke 1:79 (from Isaiah 9:2); θάνατος is used of the punishment of Christ, Romans 5:10; Romans 6:3-5; 1 Corinthians 11:26; Philippians 3:10; Colossians 1:22; Hebrews 29),14; σῴζειν τινα ἐκ θανάτου, to free from the fear of death, to enable one to undergo death fearlessly, Hebrews 5:7 (but others besides); ῤύεσθαι ἐκ θανάτου, to deliver from the danger of death, 2 Corinthians 1:10; plural θανατοῖ, deaths (i. e. mortal perils) of various kinds, 2 Corinthians 11:23; περίλυπος ἕως θανάτου, even unto death, i. e. so that I am almost dying of sorrow, Matthew 26:38; Mark 14:34 (λελύπημαι ἕως θανάτου, Jonah 4:9; λύπη ἕως θανάτου, Sir. 37:2, cf, Judges 16:16); μέχρι θανάτου, so as not to refuse to undergo even death, Philippians 2:8; also ἄχρι θανάτου, Revelation 2:10; Revelation 12:11; ἐσφαγμένος εἰς θάνατον, that has received a deadly wound, Revelation 13:3; πληγή θανάτου, a deadly wound (death-stroke, cf. Winer's Grammar, § 34, 3 b.), Revelation 13:3, 12; ἰδεῖν θάνατον, to experience death, Luke 2:26; Hebrews 11:5; also γεύεσθαι θανάτου (see γεύω, 2), Matthew 16:28; Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27; διώκειν τινα ἄχρι θανάτου, even to destruction, Acts 22:4; κατακρίνειν τινα θανάτῳ, to condemn one to death (admortemdamnare, Tacitus), Matthew 20:18 (here Tdf. εἰς θάνατον); Mark 10:33, (see κατακρίνω, a.); πορεύεσθαι εἰς θάνατον, to undergo death, Luke 22:33; παραδιδόναι τινα εἰς θάνατον, that he may be put to death, Matthew 10:21; Mark 13:12; passive, to be given over to the peril of death, 2 Corinthians 4:11; παρέδωκαν... εἰς κρίμα θανάτου, Luke 24:20; ἀποκτεῖναι τινα ἐν θανάτῳ (a Hebraism (cf. Buttmann, 184 (159f))), Revelation 2:23; Revelation 6:8 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 29 note); αἰτία θανάτου (see αἰτία, 2), Acts 13:28; Acts 28:18; ἄξιον τί θανάτου, some crime worthy of the penalty of death, Acts 23:29; Acts 25:11, 25; (Acts 26:31); Luke 23:15, 22 (here αἴτιον (which see 2 b.) θάνατος); ἔνοχος θανάτου, worthy of punishment by death, Matthew 26:66; Mark 14:64; θανάτῳ τελευτάτω, let him surely be put to death, Matthew 15:4; Mark 7:10, after Exodus 21:17 the Sept. (Hebrew יוּמָת מות); cf. Winers Grammar, § 44 at the end N. 3; (Buttmann, as above); θανάτου... σταυροῦ, Philippians 2:8; ποιῶ θανάτῳ, by what kind of death, John 12:33; John 18:32; John 21:19. The inevitable necessity of dying, shared alike by all men, takes on in the popular imagination the form of a person, a tyrant, subjugating men to his power and confining them in his dark dominions: Romans 6:9; 1 Corinthians 1526),54,56; Revelation 21:4; Hades is associated with him as his partner: 1 Corinthians 15:55 R G; Revelation 1:18 (on which see κλείς); Revelation 6:8; 20:13,(Revelation 20:14a) (Psalm 17:5 (Ps. 18:5); Psalm 114:3 (Psalms 116:3); Hosea 13:14; Sir. 14:12).

Dave L said:

How can God who is life personified change into death?

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Hebrews 2:14 <- ....... ->Revelation 1:18

1 Corinthians 10:1-4
Exodus 13:21
Exodus 33:7-11
Zechariah 3
1 Peter 3:18-22
Philippians 2:1-11
1 Timothy 3:16
Colossians 2:9
Hebrews 9:16
Titus 2:13
Isaiah 9:6
Romans 10:9-13 Romans 10:13 must be reviewed at interlinear

Grip Docility said:

Dave... God the Son died. He said he would and experienced Thanatos Death, per scripture.

STRONGS NT 2288: θάνατος

θάνατος, θανάτου, ὁ (θανεῖν); the Sept. for מָוֶת and מוּת, also for דֶּבֶרpestilence (Winers Grammar, 29 note); (one of the nouns often anarthrous, cf. Winers Grammar, § 19, 1 under the word; (Buttmann, § 124, 8 c.); Grimm, commentary on Sap., p. 59); death;
1. properly, the death of the body, i. e. that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul from the body by which the life on earth is ended: John 11:4(13); Acts 2:24 (Tr marginal reading ᾅδου) (on this see ὠδίν); Philippians 2:27, 30; Hebrews 7:23; Hebrews 9:15; Revelation 9:6; Revelation 18:8; opposed to ζωή, Romans 8:38; 1 Corinthians 3:22; 2 Corinthians 1:9; Philippians 1:20; with the implied idea of future misery in the state beyond, 1 Corinthians 15:21; 2 Timothy 1:10; Hebrews 2:14f; equivalent to the power of death, 2 Corinthians 4:12. Since the nether world, the abode of the dead, was conceived of as being very dark, χώρα καί σκιά θανάτου (צַלְמָוֶת) is equivalent to the region of thickest darkness, i. e. figuratively, a region enveloped in the darkness of ignorance and sin: Matthew 4:16; Luke 1:79 (from Isaiah 9:2); θάνατος is used of the punishment of Christ, Romans 5:10; Romans 6:3-5; 1 Corinthians 11:26; Philippians 3:10; Colossians 1:22; Hebrews 29),14; σῴζειν τινα ἐκ θανάτου, to free from the fear of death, to enable one to undergo death fearlessly, Hebrews 5:7 (but others besides); ῤύεσθαι ἐκ θανάτου, to deliver from the danger of death, 2 Corinthians 1:10; plural θανατοῖ, deaths (i. e. mortal perils) of various kinds, 2 Corinthians 11:23; περίλυπος ἕως θανάτου, even unto death, i. e. so that I am almost dying of sorrow, Matthew 26:38; Mark 14:34 (λελύπημαι ἕως θανάτου, Jonah 4:9; λύπη ἕως θανάτου, Sir. 37:2, cf, Judges 16:16); μέχρι θανάτου, so as not to refuse to undergo even death, Philippians 2:8; also ἄχρι θανάτου, Revelation 2:10; Revelation 12:11; ἐσφαγμένος εἰς θάνατον, that has received a deadly wound, Revelation 13:3; πληγή θανάτου, a deadly wound (death-stroke, cf. Winer's Grammar, § 34, 3 b.), Revelation 13:3, 12; ἰδεῖν θάνατον, to experience death, Luke 2:26; Hebrews 11:5; also γεύεσθαι θανάτου (see γεύω, 2), Matthew 16:28; Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27; διώκειν τινα ἄχρι θανάτου, even to destruction, Acts 22:4; κατακρίνειν τινα θανάτῳ, to condemn one to death (admortemdamnare, Tacitus), Matthew 20:18 (here Tdf. εἰς θάνατον); Mark 10:33, (see κατακρίνω, a.); πορεύεσθαι εἰς θάνατον, to undergo death, Luke 22:33; παραδιδόναι τινα εἰς θάνατον, that he may be put to death, Matthew 10:21; Mark 13:12; passive, to be given over to the peril of death, 2 Corinthians 4:11; παρέδωκαν... εἰς κρίμα θανάτου, Luke 24:20; ἀποκτεῖναι τινα ἐν θανάτῳ (a Hebraism (cf. Buttmann, 184 (159f))), Revelation 2:23; Revelation 6:8 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 29 note); αἰτία θανάτου (see αἰτία, 2), Acts 13:28; Acts 28:18; ἄξιον τί θανάτου, some crime worthy of the penalty of death, Acts 23:29; Acts 25:11, 25; (Acts 26:31); Luke 23:15, 22 (here αἴτιον (which see 2 b.) θάνατος); ἔνοχος θανάτου, worthy of punishment by death, Matthew 26:66; Mark 14:64; θανάτῳ τελευτάτω, let him surely be put to death, Matthew 15:4; Mark 7:10, after Exodus 21:17 the Sept. (Hebrew יוּמָת מות); cf. Winers Grammar, § 44 at the end N. 3; (Buttmann, as above); θανάτου... σταυροῦ, Philippians 2:8; ποιῶ θανάτῳ, by what kind of death, John 12:33; John 18:32; John 21:19. The inevitable necessity of dying, shared alike by all men, takes on in the popular imagination the form of a person, a tyrant, subjugating men to his power and confining them in his dark dominions: Romans 6:9; 1 Corinthians 1526),54,56; Revelation 21:4; Hades is associated with him as his partner: 1 Corinthians 15:55 R G; Revelation 1:18 (on which see κλείς); Revelation 6:8; 20:13,(Revelation 20:14a) (Psalm 17:5 (Ps. 18:5); Psalm 114:3 (Psalms 116:3); Hosea 13:14; Sir. 14:12).

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God cannot die. And you do not understand the person of Christ.

Grip Docility said:

Hebrews 2:14 <-

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His body, not his person.

Dave L said:

God cannot die. And you do not understand the person of Christ.

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What?!? So He didn't come in flesh??? Be very careful how you answer this!

Grip Docility said:

What?!? So He didn't come in flesh??? Be very careful how you answer this!

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He came in the flesh and the flesh died. His person is God who cannot die.

Dave L said:

His body, not his person.

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1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.

Grip Docility said:

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.

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This does not say what you assume. His person is the eternal Son of the trinity who cannot die. Hint; nobody left to make the universe happen.

Dave L said:

He came in the flesh and the flesh died. His person is God who cannot die.

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Dave... Thanatos / Death is literaly the Division of the Body from the Spirit... Exactly as I've been saying.

He died exactly as we die.

God...

Ecclesiastes 12:7

Grip Docility said:

Dave... Thanatos / Death is literaly the Division of the Body from the Spirit... Exactly as I've been saying.

He died exactly as we die.

God...

Ecclesiastes 12:7

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His person did not die. God cannot die. His body died and was buried to be resurrected on the 3rd day.

Dave L said:

He came in the flesh and the flesh died. His person is God who cannot die.

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Dave... it describes Thanatos death exactly as we die! He walked among us THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD, BODILY... and Died, just as we die!

Grip Docility said:

Dave... it describes Thanatos death exactly as we die! He walked among us THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD, BODILY... and Died, just as we die!

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No, God cannot die. If you die, you keep living in either heaven or hell.

Dave L said:

No, God cannot die. If you die, you keep living in either heaven or hell.

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Dave... The Son of God is ETERNAL... He was literally, not figuratively born of the very bloodline of David.

If that wasn't the Blood of God, that fell onto the "Mercy Seat" of the entire earth... we are in Huge trouble!