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I just know the real 70th week is future. Revelation proves it.
The 7th seal opens the week
the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint
the 7th vial ends it.

This isn't objective proof. This is subjective interpretation. If it was objective proof, revelation would clearly state the 70th week of Daniel beings with the 7th seal, is marked in the midst by the 7th trumpet, and ends with the 7th vial.

Additionally, if one believes even 1 point of Daniel 9:24 was fulfilled at the cross, then the gap theory nullifies the 70 week promise.
 
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Good one! :oldthumbsup:

Your connection between Jesus' anointing and the outpouring in Cornelius' house is no coincidence. However, his baptism never initiated the 70th week: His baptism happened late in the 69th week. (possibly Day of Atonement - just my theory)

A complication with counting 'weeks' is how during the inter-testament era the Hebrew New Year was switched from Nisan to Tishri, but the count as far as God was concerned, continued as He had given it to Moses. (Nisan)

When we realize this, the first day of the 70th week coincides with the start of his ministry, 1st Nisan AD 27.
My thought is different. As we look through the "rearview mirror", I see it as the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th week. I think it draws the line.

I don't think it of utmost importance to know the exact date...because I don't think scripture is that exacting in reference to the timing. If that were the case, I think God would have nailed it down.
 
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Probably closer to the truth:

Feast of trumpets 2019: Sept 30, 2019
Add ten days of Awe: Oct 9, 2019
Oct 9, 2019 START of 70th week (7th seal opened)
Oct 9, 2026 END of the 70th week (7th vial poured out)
You're a bit of a worry Lamad. :crossrc:
I just know the real 70th week is future. Revelation proves it.
The 7th seal opens the week
the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint
the 7th vial ends it.
Do you view Luke 21:20 as the same event as Matt 24:15 and Mar 13:14. That was all fulfilled in the 1st century............

Hebrew Interlinear of Daniel 11:31 Showing the use of the Definite Article -
THE Abomination of Desolation
Hebrew Interlinear of Daniel 12:11 Showing the Absence of the Definite Article -
AN Abomination of Desolation

Daniel 11:31
and arms/02220 z@rowa` from him, they shall stand up. And they profane//violate/02490 chalal the Sanctuary/04720 miqdash, the-Refuge/ma`owz. And they take-away/05493 cuwr the-Continual/08548 tamiyd, and they give/05414 nathan The-Abomination/08251 shiqquwts, one-making-desolate/08074 shamem.

Daniel 12:11
And-from-time he-is-taken-away/05493 cuwr the-continually/08548 tamiyd, and-to-give-of/05414 nathan an-abomination/08251 shiqquwts, one-desolating/08074 shamem, days, thousand, twohundreds, and ninety

Where is the abomination of desolation of Daniel, Matt and Mark shown in Revelation


Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:15
Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination<946> of the desolation/ἐρημώσεως<2050>.......
Mark 13:14
Whenever yet ye may be seeing see the abomination<946> of the desolation/ἐρημώσεως<2050>
Luke 21:20
Whenever yet may be seeing the Jerusalem surrounded by war-troops,
then be knowing that come nigh desolating/ἐρήμωσις<2050> of Her
 
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My thought is different. As we look through the "rearview mirror", I see it as the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th week. I think it draws the line.

I don't think it of utmost importance to know the exact date...because I don't think scripture is that exacting in reference to the timing. If that were the case, I think God would have nailed it down.

He nailed it down alright! Estimates indicate Jesus baptism took place late AD 26, about November. But the actual start-point of the 70th week was the 1st Nisan AD 27. Does the New Testament identify it? Yes, it does! We are able to track the fourteen days between the beginning of the month and the start of Passover as recorded in the gospel of John. Here are the events leading up to, and signifying the switch-point between the weeks. The Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask John,

“Who are you?” He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ” ... John answered them, “I baptize with water, but among you stands one you do not know, even he who comes after me, the strap of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie” ...

This encounter took place on the last day of the 69th week, 29th Adar AD 27, as I'll explain shortly. Please continue: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said,

“Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is he of whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me.’ I myself did not know him, but for this purpose I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.”

The reference to “taking away sin” is directly from Daniel’s prophecy, so it becomes very appropriate if it was declared over Jesus on the first day of the 70th week. Let us follow several more days to see if such was the case?

The next day Andrew, Peter and one other (probably the writer) were chosen to be disciples. I believe it was Saturday, 2nd of Nisan because the wedding of Cana, a few days later, was a Monday evening. By Sunday, 3rd of Nisan, Philip and Nathaniel had also been chosen, then came Monday, 4th of Nisan. Please bear in mind that Hebrew days began at sunset, so, strictly speaking, the 4th of Nisan was Sunday/Monday, and the 5th was Monday/ Tuesday. In other words, Monday evening started the 5th day of the Hebrew month and it also started the third day of the regular week. Now, notice carefully. John tells us:

"On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples." (John 2:1-2)

So, the wedding of Cana is recorded as “the third day”, that is to say, Monday night. Likewise, the year was AD 27 as shown in chapter eleven. All that remains to do is to examine the lunar phases of that month and when we do, we find that the 5th of Nisan did indeed start on a Monday evening. Moreover, it was the only Monday that could have fitted a wedding before Passover, because later festivities would have conflicted with the Passover Seder.

Thus, by identifying the date of the wedding of Cana, we are able to track backwards to the 1st of Nisan and confirm the declaration of John the Baptist, “Behold, the Lamb”, as the defining event which marked the first day of the 70th week!
 
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He nailed it down alright! Estimates indicate Jesus baptism took place late AD 26, about November. But the actual start-point of the 70th week was the 1st Nisan AD 27. Does the New Testament identify it? Yes, it does! We are able to track the fourteen days between the beginning of the month and the start of Passover as recorded in the gospel of John. Here are the events leading up to, and signifying the switch-point between the weeks. The Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask John,

“Who are you?” He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ” ... John answered them, “I baptize with water, but among you stands one you do not know, even he who comes after me, the strap of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie” ...

This encounter took place on the last day of the 69th week, 29th Adar AD 27, as I'll explain shortly. Please continue: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said,

“Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is he of whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me.’ I myself did not know him, but for this purpose I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.”

The reference to “taking away sin” is directly from Daniel’s prophecy, so it becomes very appropriate if it was declared over Jesus on the first day of the 70th week. Let us follow several more days to see if such was the case?

The next day Andrew, Peter and one other (probably the writer) were chosen to be disciples. I believe it was Saturday, 2nd of Nisan because the wedding of Cana, a few days later, was a Monday evening. By Sunday, 3rd of Nisan, Philip and Nathaniel had also been chosen, then came Monday, 4th of Nisan. Please bear in mind that Hebrew days began at sunset, so, strictly speaking, the 4th of Nisan was Sunday/Monday, and the 5th was Monday/ Tuesday. In other words, Monday evening started the 5th day of the Hebrew month and it also started the third day of the regular week. Now, notice carefully. John tells us:

"On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples." (John 2:1-2)

So, the wedding of Cana is recorded as “the third day”, that is to say, Monday night. Likewise, the year was AD 27 as shown in chapter eleven. All that remains to do is to examine the lunar phases of that month and when we do, we find that the 5th of Nisan did indeed start on a Monday evening. Moreover, it was the only Monday that could have fitted a wedding before Passover, because later festivities would have conflicted with the Passover Seder.

Thus, by identifying the date of the wedding of Cana, we are able to track backwards to the 1st of Nisan and confirm the declaration of John the Baptist, “Behold, the Lamb”, as the defining event which marked the first day of the 70th week!

Hi Christian Gedge,

I see you have done some work on pin pointing the dates concerning the 70th week in Daniel. I am wondering if you have done any work on Daniel 12:11-12.

My current interpretation on Daniel 12:11-12 is the daily sacrifice that is being taken away, is referring to the necessity to provide the daily sacrifices as outlined in Exodus 29:38-39 which was 2 lambs, 1 in the morning and 1 in the evening. The point at which this necessity is taken away from mankind is in John 1:29 where Jesus was declared to be the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. There are 1290 days until the abomination that maketh desolate is set up. The first sacrifice made after the veil of the temple was torn in two would be considered an abomination. In Matthew 27:51 along with the veil being torn there was an earthquake and the rocks rent. I think the altar used to make the sacrifices was broken down. In Matthew 24:15 the abomination is standing in the holy place, this is the altar being put back up again and sacrifices resumed. Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh to the 1335 days. This is Pentecost and is recorded in Acts 2. The difference between 1290 and 1335 is 45 days, it would have taken some time to put the temple back in order and resume the sacrifices after the veil was torn and the earthquake.

Do you consider the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 to be the same event as the abomination of desolation in Daniel 9:27? And if so can you give me your opinion on Daniel 12:11-12 and how it relates to your time line?
 
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grafted branch said:
Hi Christian Gedge,

I see you have done some work on pin pointing the dates concerning the 70th week in Daniel. I am wondering if you have done any work on Daniel 12:11-12.

My current interpretation on Daniel 12:11-12 is the daily sacrifice that is being taken away, is referring to the necessity to provide the daily sacrifices as outlined in Exodus 29:38-39 which was 2 lambs, 1 in the morning and 1 in the evening. The point at which this necessity is taken away from mankind is in John 1:29 where Jesus was declared to be the Lamb of God ...

I struggle with chapter 12. Undoubtedly chapter 9 is past, but I lean toward interpreting Daniel 12 as futuristic. You are right, though, about the temple taking more than a few months to fix after the earthquake. How I wish (and Im sure you do) that someone kept a record of that date. :idea:

grafted branch said:
... Do you consider the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12 to be the same event as the abomination of desolation in Daniel 9:27? And if so can you give me your opinion on Daniel 12:11-12 and how it relates to your time line?

Im not sure. I have tried to add 1290 and 1335 days to various events in Jesus' ministry but couldn't make them fit. However, you may be interested to know that those numbers are formulae in the original Hebrew calendar. If we add 1335 days to the 1st Tishri it always arrives at the day of Pentecost, 3.5 years later. The formula still works but no one uses it anymore. (It used to be used for adding intercalery months.)
 
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I'll leave the length of Jesus' ministry for another topic if you don't mind. However, in the next few posts I'll pin the start-date of the 70th week with precision, and go through the scriptures about it. Some posters will be interested, and hopefully you will too.

Sorry for taking so long. Ive started a thread about the length of Jesus ministry in the Apologetics forum. Enjoy. :wave:


The 3-year Ministry of Jesus
 
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