Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches

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Can anyone shed some light on this group? I do not know much about them, there was a Bishop on a Lutheran podcast I listen to sometimes, but he did not explain much (nor was it the subject of the podcast).
 

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It is a church that started up a couple of decades ago intending to be more conservative than The Episcopal Church while blending Anglicanism with Charismatic beliefs, etc, and it briefly attracted a fair amount of media attention. However, it is now almost extinct in the USA, although I believe it still claims some overseas affiliates.

I see that its website is down now, but here is a statement from the CEEC that used to appear online:

We see ourselves as an expression of the ancient-future Church of Jesus Christ, where the streams of Christian tradition and spirituality converge and flow together. Emphasizing the interweaving of the charismatic, evangelical and liturgical/sacramental, we identify with and stand in connection with the historic Celtic and Anglican spiritual traditions.
 
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Thank you, their website is good looking, but lacks a good search function to see where they are located, or really much in depth detail.
 
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My jurisdiction received one of their Bishops a couple of years ago. He became a suffragan but he was only with us about five months before he rather suddenly died. He left their group after undertaking some fairly extensive study of the Fathers. I never personally spoke to him at any length to discern what exactly it was that he had read that sent him in our direction.
 
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My jurisdiction received one of their Bishops a couple of years ago. He became a suffragan but he was only with us about five months before he rather suddenly died. He left their group after undertaking some fairly extensive study of the Fathers. I never personally spoke to him at any length to discern what exactly it was that he had read that sent him in our direction.
Forgive my ignorance, but what jurisdiction are you a part of? Did your jurisdiction recognize his AS?
 
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Thank you, their website is good looking, but lacks a good search function to see where they are located, or really much in depth detail.

Look what I found (or where I found it, I probably should say)...
The Charismatic Episcopal Apostolic Succession Line

The important thing to note here is that CEEC succession is from a dissident Roman Catholic line of bishops, which is why it isn't considered an Anglican church (nor, to my knowledge, does the CEEC make such a claim).
 
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Forgive my ignorance, but what jurisdiction are you a part of? Did your jurisdiction recognize his AS?
Orthodox Anglican Church. His Succession was acceptable although I think his lines were not exclusive to the CEEC. Most groups have intermixed to some degree. For example, my current Archbishop has the James Parker Dees line but he's also tied into Charles Doren and Robert Sherwood Morse. I get kind of irritated when someone who's too lazy to do a minimal amount of research comes along and accuses me of being under a vagante. Those guys do exist but they just have a different way of operating that makes obvious rather quickly that their little groups are of dubious provenance.

If you can get a copy of The Handbook of Denominations in the United States, CEEC has their own page in the sub-section of Anglican and Episcopal churches. To summarize the article, they are described as Pentecostals who adopted liturgical worship forms. Of course, the accuracy of the handbook is not always the best. The article on Continuing Anglicans in the most recent edition makes me shake my head.
 
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Is it a CEEC parish?

They seem to offer both, which honestly makes it even more confusing to someone trying to look at it from the outside.
 
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Orthodox Anglican Church. His Succession was acceptable although I think his lines were not exclusive to the CEEC. Most groups have intermixed to some degree. For example, my current Archbishop has the James Parker Dees line but he's also tied into Charles Doren and Robert Sherwood Morse. I get kind of irritated when someone who's too lazy to do a minimal amount of research comes along and accuses me of being under a vagante. Those guys do exist but they just have a different way of operating that makes obvious rather quickly that their little groups are of dubious provenance.

If you can get a copy of The Handbook of Denominations in the United States, CEEC has their own page in the sub-section of Anglican and Episcopal churches. To summarize the article, they are described as Pentecostals who adopted liturgical worship forms. Of course, the accuracy of the handbook is not always the best. The article on Continuing Anglicans in the most recent edition makes me shake my head.

Thank you for explaining that. Is their theology Pentecostal (gifts etc. ) or is it more in line with Anglicans?
 
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They seem to offer both, which honestly makes it even more confusing to someone trying to look at it from the outside.
Me too.

But I think Naomi4Christ mistook a question about the Communion of Evangelical Episcopal Churches (CEEC), which was founded in the USA, for a question asking about the Church of England Evangelical Council (CEEC), a group within the Church of England. To the best of my knowledge, the two have no connection to each other.
 
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I found a church in my area that says they are a member of the CEEC, and that their pastor is also a Bishop. Weirdly I cannot find their dioceses (Diocese of St. John the Beloved) on the CEEC-USA website, nor their bishop. All in all their web presence (the whole group) seems to be a real problem. Their main websites look good, but are missing very important information, especially a functioning "Find a Church" option.

Here is the church near me mentioned above;
LifeSpring Community Church – Come as you are…

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Looks like their sermons (available online) are between 30-40 minutes....is that normal (I know it is in some Evangelical protestant and Baptist churches)? Coming from the Lutheran Divine Service where the sermon is maybe 15 minutes that is a long time to me - and misery with a 2 year old coming along.
 
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Is their theology Pentecostal (gifts etc. ) or is it more in line with Anglicans?

Ah... you do know that there's a very vibrant charismatic strand within Anglicanism, which is not seen as being "out of line" provided it operates within Anglican norms?
 
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Ah... you do know that there's a very vibrant charismatic strand within Anglicanism, which is not seen as being "out of line" provided it operates within Anglican norms?
Sure, but charismatic does not necessarily equal Pentecostal, particularly in some theological issues. :)
 
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I'm not sure what you're getting at, Steve. If you're talking about a pneumatology which says every believer is given gifts and has a role to play in the life and mission of the church (which is what I thought you meant by "gifts etc") then I'd say that's not a problem for Anglican thought at all.

If you're going to look at things like church governance Pentecostals tend to be very different, but I didn't think that was what you meant?
 
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We're on the right path, but not quite. What I mean is the (general) Pentecostal belief that if you don't exhibit these gifts then you aren't truly saved, that you don't have the Holy Spirit. That and their theology on the Lord's Supper, Baptism, etc. Not so much the Charismatic/Pentecostal worship style.

But even maybe these would fit in the Anglican communion, I really don't know. But in this case I suppose it's moot since they aren't a part of the communion anyway, apparently.
 
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Ah, yes, there I'd agree. I've encountered some "if you don't speak in tongues, you're not really Christian" Anglicans, but that is a problematic position in light of the Articles, liturgies, etc.
 
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