The Spirit of Antichrist in Anti-trinitarianism?

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Scripture proof of the Trinity.

1. There is only one God “Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.” (Romans 3:29–30)

2. The Father is God “Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.” (John 6:27)

3. Jesus is God (“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.” (John 20:28);

“Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.” (Romans 9:5);

“Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:” (2 Peter 1:1)

4. The Holy Spirit is God “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” (Acts 5:3–4)


5. These Three are distinct persons (e.g., “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” (John 14:16–17)


On the Mount of transfiguration

“While he was still speaking, suddenly a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said: This is My beloved Son. I take delight in Him. Listen to Him! When the disciples heard it, they fell facedown and were terrified. Then Jesus came up, touched them, and said, “Get up; don’t be afraid.”” (Matthew 17:5–7) (HCSB)


“For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.” (2 Peter 1:16–18) (KJV 1900)


Jesus’ Baptism

“And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Matthew 3:16–17) (KJV 1900)


Stephen’s death

“But Stephen, filled by the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven. He saw God’s glory, with Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and he said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”” (Acts 7:55–56) (HCSB)


Jesus Christ is the personal name of the triune God.


Jesus told the disciples “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19)


“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” (Acts 2:38)


“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.” (Acts 8:12)


Jesus Christ is YAHWEH in the Old Testament. “Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5)


Also the LXX translates YAHWEH as Lord, preferred by the New Testament writers showing the Lord Jesus.

Spirit of Antichrist?

What if the trinity doctrine is true? It is the only view of God that separates Christianity from all other religions in the world. They all share a common rejection of the trinity as defined by the New Testament.


But if people reject the trinity doctrine, do they worship the same Christ as the Trinitarians? It is important how we answer this because John says “and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.” (1 John 4:3)

So a false Christ would provide evidence that a person is under the control of the spirit of Antichrist. This would include all religions who do not worship God in truth. In this sense, Antichrist sits in the temple (place) of God exalting himself above all that is called God.
 

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Spirit of ANTICHRIST in non-trinitarian versions of Christianity can be observed in the erosion of personal identity.

In the trinity, Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit are all God. But Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit, and The Father is not Jesus or the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father or Jesus.

Jesus prayed, "may they be one was we are"

The oneness of the Trinity allows shared existence, but does not erode or dissolve the individual when applied to humanity. However, the unity found in the new age and other magical realms does erode the individual saying I am everyone, and everyone is me.

This is one element of the spirit of antichrist.
 
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Yes, I would say, Satan will have people showing Jesus to be less than He really is.

But I consider that the real Anti-Jesus will not be able to accept hiding in sideline groups. The real one will demand full and open worship and unhesitating praise and obedience.

Therefore, I can see how the real Anti-Christ will not accept being in one group among other choices. Plus, he will not be able to accept that he has to pretend to be Biblical or like to any other than himself. He will not accept that he has to piggy-back on the credibility of anyone.

So, no group or big-name leader now is like this.

The real Jesus wins people because He is so desirable . . . not because of threats of hell, or charming with prosperity. Likewise, I think maybe the real anti-Jesus will want at least all humans to fully desire him, without need of force or negotiation, or else he is inferior to Jesus, and this is not an option for him, I would say.
 
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Yes, I would say, Satan will have people showing Jesus to be less than He really is.

But I consider that the real Anti-Jesus will not be able to accept hiding in sideline groups. The real one will demand full and open worship and unhesitating praise and obedience.

Therefore, I can see how the real Anti-Christ will not accept being in one group among other choices. Plus, he will not be able to accept that he has to pretend to be Biblical or like to any other than himself. He will not accept that he has to piggy-back on the credibility of anyone.

So, no group or big-name leader now is like this.

The real Jesus wins people because He is so desirable . . . not because of threats of hell, or charming with prosperity. Likewise, I think maybe the real anti-Jesus will want at least all humans to fully desire him, without need of force or negotiation, or else he is inferior to Jesus, and this is not an option for him, I would say.
The Spirit of Antichrist gives rise to literal Antichrists but also works independently of them. Quite active in antitrinitarian circles today.
 
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Yes, I would say, Satan will have people showing Jesus to be less than He really is.

But I consider that the real Anti-Jesus will not be able to accept hiding in sideline groups. The real one will demand full and open worship and unhesitating praise and obedience.

Therefore, I can see how the real Anti-Christ will not accept being in one group among other choices. Plus, he will not be able to accept that he has to pretend to be Biblical or like to any other than himself. He will not accept that he has to piggy-back on the credibility of anyone.

So, no group or big-name leader now is like this.

The real Jesus wins people because He is so desirable . . . not because of threats of hell, or charming with prosperity. Likewise, I think maybe the real anti-Jesus will want at least all humans to fully desire him, without need of force or negotiation, or else he is inferior to Jesus, and this is not an option for him, I would say.
The anti-Jesus is the Jesus that people believe in, who teaches to do the exact opposite of the Jesus of the bible, in one way or another. However, when the man of sin comes, it will be a complete application.
 
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Spirit of ANTICHRIST in non-trinitarian versions of Christianity can be observed in the erosion of personal identity.

In the trinity, Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit are all God. But Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit, and The Father is not Jesus or the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father or Jesus.

Jesus prayed, "may they be one was we are"

The oneness of the Trinity allows shared existence, but does not erode or dissolve the individual when applied to humanity. However, the unity found in the new age and other magical realms does erode the individual saying I am everyone, and everyone is me.

This is one element of the spirit of antichrist.

God is also not tri-theistic as other religions accuse. Jesus affirms this when he tells us the 2 greatest commandments linking the Shema saying "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one...." We see this value mimicked in Islam within the
Shahada "there is no god, but Allah..." but Islam misses the point and tries to invent a god all to themselves as the next line says "and Muhammad his messenger". The oneness of God is of utmost importance in Christianity but Jesus doesn't change the Shema adding "and Jesus is his Son" he emphasizes it unaltered.
 
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God is also not tri-theistic as other religions accuse. Jesus affirms this when he tells us the 2 greatest commandments linking the Shema saying "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one...." We see this value mimicked in Islam within the
Shahada "there is no god, but Allah..." but Islam misses the point and tries to invent a god all to themselves as the next line says "and Muhammad his messenger". The oneness of God is of utmost importance in Christianity but Jesus doesn't change the Shema adding "and Jesus is his Son" he emphasizes it unaltered.
The mathematical element of it is a shibboleth in a sense, the closest I could explain the trinity to people who were not born again sounded modalist in nature. I think the trinity can only be understood if you are experiencing this type of oneness as someone who is born again of the Holy Spirit as Jesus prayed in John 17, "may they be one as we are"
 
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The mathematical element of it is a shibboleth in a sense, the closest I could explain the trinity to people who were not born again sounded modalist in nature. I think the trinity can only be understood if you are experiencing this type of oneness as someone who is born again of the Holy Spirit as Jesus prayed in John 17, "may they be one as we are"

this doesn't explain the trinity but for me, it helps explain its necessity.

If God is love then love needs to preexist with God as love needs an object of love. that object cannot be his creation as it would mean God needs his creation in order to love and would put limits on God. yet God as 1 unit also cannot love because there is no object of love so God must exist in unity but in plurality at the same time. God as 2 in 1 can love but this love cannot be contrasted so love exists imperfect and limits God. God as 3 in 1 love can exist in perfection and is completely contrasted. 4 in 1 doesn't add anything unique, it just adds more relationships and is unnecessary. 3 in 1 is the perfect number.

1 = no love
2 in 1 = [1-2] (1 relationship)
3 in 1 = [1-2], [2-3], [3-1], [1-2-3] (4 contrasted relationships)

Therefore, if God is love, he must exist as a Trinity so that love can preexist with him
 
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Greetings again Dave L,I am not interested in the Creeds, except to say they differ from the Bible teaching. At the age of 19 I was introduced to the subject of the Yahweh Name, both the meaning of this and the development of this Name and its fulfillment in Jesus. The Name is associated with the deliverance of Israel out of Egypt, but this was only a foretaste of God's salvation in and through Jesus, the Son of God.

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Yous should try to refute them. The greatest heretics ever cannot do it. They can only ignore them.
 
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The bible taught it first. Any 3rd grader can see it if they want to.
The trinity is best experienced in context of community or family. If you have neither, or dysfunctional, or abusive contexts in this regard ... there's no parable.
 
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Greetings again Dave L,I am not interested in the Creeds, except to say they differ from the Bible teaching.

Those who deny the Nicene Creed are not Christians.

And, since the Nicene Creed is the SoF for CF, they are not allowed to post here.
 
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