Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

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I'm still holding you to provide the sources for your claims of "bible believers" since those apologist links are just out of the blue rejected. Otherwise this post of yours is self-projection.

Make a bible case, forget nommie sites. They do not matter. Might as well ask a horse. When I was young I went to Catholic school, and we had 'catechism' where I learned about Adam and Noah and etc. Just because some popes abandoned the faith lately does not mean that I did.
 
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the breath of life apply to man and all air breathing animals. Not some spirit soul that God blew into The first man.

All animals breath air, to oxygenate the blood,
the life is in the blood, the bible says.

Genesis 7:15 (KJV)
And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
Genesis 6:17 (KJV)
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
The breath of God was not about chemicals and air probably as much as life.
 
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This is just a factor as to why we God taking Adam's rib or adam side is completely literal.
Not mean to change the o.p. subject thread but,
You seem to not take things literal.

Do you believe The biblical account of
Sodom and Gomorrah’s heavenly destruction ?

“Then the Lord rained down fire and burning
sulfur from the sky on Sodom and Gomorrah"

Was this metaphorical and not literal?
 
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Genesis answers the question..you say it didn't happen that way and when asked to explain why we sin...YOU STLL RUN AWAY.

Feel free to answer here.
If you ask a wrong question, you cannot get a satisfying answer. First, you must realize, that you read Genesis in a way it was not meant to be read.
 
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God gave it, so let's assume He knew all that.
Its like saying "God named the light "day", so the proper name of the light/day is the Hebrew word in Genesis.
You are still ignoring the wider context of what you read. It was written by Hebrews to Hebrews, its not a technical description.

God got it wrong eh?
Actually, you got it all wrong, its like you reading a child book and thinking its a science book.

No. God gave man dominion over animals we did not come from animals. But you do not believe Eve came from Adam, so why even talk about the bible?
First, you must start to understand the Bible. You are using it wrongly.

Bible says in the OT that we are animals. And in the NT, that we have an animal body.

But you must ignore it, it does not fit your wrong reading of Genesis.
 
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What is the flesh from when v22 says only the rib was removed?

All of these simple logical holes show why this all metaphorical and not literal.

And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones,
and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken [out of Man].

We see other places where [flesh of my flesh]

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones
.31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Would this mean Adam and Eve where married by God? We see a lot of meaning in marriage, in the bible.
 
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What about a forth option, if he came from animals.
So they did not choose that man came from apes,
because that is what evolution is. But choose
made of earth and confirmed by science.
Animals are also from earth, the ultimate element was the point - earth.

So they did [reconstructive surgery] 5000 years ago,
using bone marrow from a rib ?
Who where these first surgeons ? link?
No 21st century idea of surgery is the point of the text, you read the text in a wrong way.

So you say side or [flesh] instead of a rib.
Adam said, This is now bone of my bones
How can you get bones from [flesh] ?
Can flesh regrow by itself ?
One half of you contains both bones and flesh.

So you say God only took Adams outside flesh,
then closed the hole-up [with flesh] ? makes no sense.
Also because she was [taken out] of Man, not off of man.

one of his ribs,H4480 H6763

H4480
For H4482; properly a part of; hence (prepositionally), from or out of in many senses: - above, after, among, at, because of, by (reason of), from (among), in, X neither, X nor, (out) of, over, since, X then, through, X whether, with.

H6763
צלעה צלע
tsêlâ‛ tsal‛âh
tsay-law', tsal-aw'
From H6760; a rib (as curved), literally (of the body) or figuratively (of a door, that is, leaf); hence a side, literally (of a person) or figuratively (of an object or the sky, that is, quarter); architecturally a timber (especially floor or ceiling) or plank (single or collectively, that is, a flooring): - beem, board, chamber, corner, leaf, plank, rib, side (chamber).

Genesis 2:21
one of his ribs(ESV)
one of his ribs(KJV)
one of his ribs(KJV+)
one of his ribs(KJV-1611)
one of his ribs(MKJV)
one of his ribs(RV)
one of his ribbes(Geneva)

Not sure why a rib here , taken from Adam
can not literally be a real rib.

The point here is science backs-up the Word
of God, a rib bone can regrow, and God had
all the elements to make Eve from Adam.



And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones,
and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken [out of Man].

We see other places where [flesh of my flesh]

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Would this mean Adam and Eve where married by God? We see a lot of meaning in marriage, in the bible. The fact is it was a rib taken out of Adam,to make Eve.
This is a simple feat for our all powerful God.



So the author of Genesis just guessed about this ?
I seen lots of snakes, and never seen hidden legs.
The point here is science backs up the Word of God.

 
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Semper-Fi said: ↑
How could the ancients have known about the rib bone ? God used the specific bone that would regenerate itself.

For example wounds in wars.

Semper-Fi said: ↑
So they did [reconstructive surgery] 5000 years ago,
using bone marrow from a rib ?

No 21st century idea of surgery is the point of the text, you read the text in a wrong way.

Again how did they know that the rib bone could
regenerate itself long ago without surgery.

You say by a wound , does not answer the question.
Did they do surgery, and use bone marrow to heal the wound? That would be reconstruction surgery.
 
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You seem to not take things literal.

Do you believe The biblical account of
Sodom and Gomorrah’s heavenly destruction ?

“Then the Lord rained down fire and burning
sulfur from the sky on Sodom and Gomorrah"

Was this metaphorical and not literal?

The "fire and burning sulfur", Pillar of Salt are probably figurative but I'm not certain.


And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones,
and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken [out of Man].

But as i said, we are on the topic referenced in v21 - where tsela is translated as "side" or "rib". I've never said "tsela" = bone. Also, as I said, this v23 makes "side" correct because of the "flesh of my flesh".. so apparently it's not just a rib.

We see other places where [flesh of my flesh]
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones
.31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Would this mean Adam and Eve where married by God? We see a lot of meaning in marriage, in the bible.

Yes, we do see other places of this being used, and they are all USED metaphorically. Thank you for proving my point.

For your last sentence.. sure.. i think Adam and Ever where married by God.
 
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Yes, we do see other places of this being used,
and they are all USED metaphorically.
Thank you for proving my point.

This did not prove your point,
become flesh of my flesh mean marrige.
Not that eve came from his flesh,
but bone of my bone, from a rib bone.
 
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What are you even talking about? Where in Genesis you read something about natural regenerating of a rib?
I read it in a science paper,
that only a rib bone can regrow.
This backs-up the bible story.
 
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The "fire and burning sulfur", Pillar of Salt are probably figurative but I'm not certain.

So than how was the area destroyed if figurative?
The bible said the city's where destroyed there.

Or is this just another story not be be believed?
 
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How did the wise men know Micah 5:2 ?, they [must have had scriptures]. how did they know it was this star that stood for the king of the Jews? they came to worship the new king, and bring presents.

an Israel tradition.

Very well could have been Israelite's that was scattered abroad at the time

Yep. Jewish scholarship was well-known in the East.
 
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I said one real man. Specifically, the one God created..Ada. I assume if you do not believe in a real woman taken from the man by God you do not believe in a real Adam either? (not monkey spawned...created)
Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over? I’ve answered this before.
 
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Its like saying "God named the light "day", so the proper name of the light/day is the Hebrew word in Genesis.
Yes it is fine to assume God knew that Hebrew would be the language He would communicate the bible with. Thought He was a bit slow?
You are still ignoring the wider context of what you read. It was written by Hebrews to Hebrews, its not a technical description.
God wrote it through men, probably Moses for Genesis. You can't leave Him out or you get all muddled up like you are.

Actually, you got it all wrong, its like you reading a child book and thinking its a science book.
Other war around, the wisdom and science alluded to in the bible is far above modern science. Even the operation on Adam to make a woman is above science.

Bible says in the OT that we are animals. And in the NT, that we have an animal body.
The basic meaning is that in the way that we both die, we are like animals. We are however worth many sparrows and man was created separately. Notice God died for man? Notice sin entered the world though a man?
 
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Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over? I’ve answered this before.
Right, so you do not believe in Adam and Eve of the bible, but rather that mankind got here another way, that is by evolving from animals.
 
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Yes it is fine to assume God knew that Hebrew would be the language He would communicate the bible with. Thought He was a bit slow?
God wrote it through men, probably Moses for Genesis. You can't leave Him out or you get all muddled up like you are.

Other war around, the wisdom and science alluded to in the bible is far above modern science. Even the operation on Adam to make a woman is above science.

The basic meaning is that in the way that we both die, we are like animals. We are however worth many sparrows and man was created separately. Notice God died for man? Notice sin entered the world though a man?
I do not know, you are still running in circles.

First, do you agree that to understand ancient Hebrew book, you should learn about ancient Hebrew world and thinking?
 
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Right, so you do not believe in Adam and Eve of the bible, but rather that mankind got here another way, that is by evolving from animals.
Correct. I’ve said that before, it shouldn’t come as a surprise.
 
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