Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

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Could you repeat it? I must have easily refuted it or missed it. 722 post is a lot to go through.

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Sure, as the allegory tells us, sin entered the world. We don’t exactly how but it did. Perhaps it was through the action of one individual, perhaps not, but it happened.

myst33 said:

They had only three options - earth, waters and heaven.
For them it was obvious that we live on earth, therefore we are of earth.

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What about a forth option, if he came from animals.
So they did not choose that man came from apes,
because that is what evolution is. But choose
made of earth and confirmed by science.

For example wounds in wars.

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So they did [reconstructive surgery] 5000 years ago,
using bone marrow from a rib ?
Who where these first surgeons ? link?

But it should be translated as side, not as a rib.

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So you say side or [flesh] instead of a rib.
Adam said, This is now bone of my bones
How can you get bones from [flesh] ?
Can flesh regrow by itself ?

So you say God only took Adams outside flesh,
then closed the hole-up [with flesh] ? makes no sense.
Also because she was [taken out] of Man, not off of man.

one of his ribs,H4480 H6763

H4480
For H4482; properly a part of; hence (prepositionally), from or out of in many senses: - above, after, among, at, because of, by (reason of), from (among), in, X neither, X nor, (out) of, over, since, X then, through, X whether, with.

H6763
צלעה צלע
tsêlâ‛ tsal‛âh
tsay-law', tsal-aw'
From H6760; a rib (as curved), literally (of the body) or figuratively (of a door, that is, leaf); hence a side, literally (of a person) or figuratively (of an object or the sky, that is, quarter); architecturally a timber (especially floor or ceiling) or plank (single or collectively, that is, a flooring): - beem, board, chamber, corner, leaf, plank, rib, side (chamber).

Genesis 2:21
one of his ribs(ESV)
one of his ribs(KJV)
one of his ribs(KJV+)
one of his ribs(KJV-1611)
one of his ribs(MKJV)
one of his ribs(RV)
one of his ribbes(Geneva)

Not sure why a rib here , taken from Adam
can not literally be a real rib.

The point here is science backs-up the Word
of God, a rib bone can regrow, and God had
all the elements to make Eve from Adam.

yes, thats certainly the point of a woman being one half of man. In other words, how to lose all message in real Genesis and create a useless one.

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And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones,
and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken [out of Man].

We see other places where [flesh of my flesh]

30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Would this mean Adam and Eve where married by God? We see a lot of meaning in marriage, in the bible. The fact is it was a rib taken out of Adam,to make Eve.
This is a simple feat for our all powerful God.

Because snakes still have vestigial legs, the only thing
needed for them to guess that was to see a snake.

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So the author of Genesis just guessed about this ?
I seen lots of snakes, and never seen hidden legs.
The point here is science backs up the Word of God.

Cis.jd said:

You are the fools because you are simply pressing on your lack of academical knowledge and making your own claims that the Bible supports you when an amount of evidence and basic reasoning disputes you.

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But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

JacksBratt said:

Thank you for these posts..

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You are welcome.

Semper-Fi said:

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

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First, we were called fools first. Second, this Matthew 5:22 Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible

There is nothing wrong with pointing out ignorance directly, there are cases where the correction is absolutely necessary especially when dealt with stubroness in where someone will eventually just reject arguments despite the academical basis and just randomly guess out things to retort with.

Jonathan Walkerin said:

So any particular reason this is not in scientific american or any peer reviewed research papers and why those people have not gotten their Noble prize for the most astounding discovery of human history ?

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Maybe some of us do not want [world fame]

Cis.jd said:

First, we were called fools first.

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Oh that make it all right then. lol

The Barbarian said:

Astronomers paid more attention to the House of the Zodiac in which a star appeared, and other details like the timing and where the moon and sun happened to be.

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How did the wise men know Micah 5:2 ?, they [must have had scriptures]. how did they know it was this star that stood for the king of the Jews? they came to worship the new king, and bring presents.

an Israel tradition.

Very well could have been Israelite's that was scattered abroad at the time

Semper-Fi said:

one of his ribs,H4480 H6763
Genesis 2:21
one of his ribs(ESV)
one of his ribs(KJV)
one of his ribs(KJV+)
one of his ribs(KJV-1611)
one of his ribs(MKJV)
one of his ribs(RV)
one of his ribbes(Geneva)

Not sure why a rib here , taken from Adam
can not literally be a real rib.

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Because no where in the Tanach is the word "tzela" used to mean “rib;” it was always used for side, even the Talmud doesn't have it as rib.

Also, one important factor is that in the second version of the creation, there is no mention of a soul being created or infused into Eve's body. While with Adam, after God formed him from dust he then created his living soul. The fact that this is left out in the second creation story suggests that Eve was created from something that already contained the breath of life and there was no need for God to do a new infusion. In the 1st creation story - Gen 1:26-28; the use of plural and the blessing itself would indicate that there was a female (half) already present. The first creation story has the word “created” when detailing the making of Man and Woman, while in the second story Eve is not created out of nothing but built off something.

I've already posted links to various apologetic sites, both Protestant and Catholic on this.

Semper-Fi said:

Oh that make it all right then. lol

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Yes, it does make it all right because one side who pointed the fingers are the ones who made up arguments such as dad here, who is still being held to provide stats to apologist references, and just others who didn't know what metaphor means. It's like i'm telling someone over and over again how 2+2=4 and they just randomly guess out retorts that "i'm just wrong" and then claim I'm a fool.

dad said:

Wise in your own eyes I see.

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I'm still holding you to provide the sources for your claims of "bible believers" since those apologist links are just out of the blue rejected. Otherwise this post of yours is self-projection.

Cis.jd said:

Because no where in the Tanach is the word "tzela" used to mean “rib;” it was always used for side, even the Talmud doesn't have it as rib.

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So when the bible says [bone of my bones],
it should read [side of my side] by your view.

So God took flesh, then closed the hole with flesh?

Cis.jd said:

Also, one important factor is that in the second version of the creation, there is no mention of a soul being created or infused into Eve's body.

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A soul is a living breathing thing,
Animals and man are both called souls.

The word “soul” is translated from Hebrew, the word nephesh. The Hebrew nephesh merely means a breathing animal.

Animals are called nephesh in: Genesis 1:20, “moving creature” (Hebrew, nephesh);Genesis 1:21, “great whales, and every living creature” (Hebrew, nephesh); Genesis 1:24, “living creature” (Hebrew, nephesh).

The translators in translating into the English language used the English word “creature but in Genesis 2:7 they translated the same nephesh into the English word “soul”

—man became a “living soul” (nephesh).

The word nephesh literally means “life of animals,”
referring to physical life and not spirit.
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The ancient philosophers taught that man is essentially an immortal spiritual “soul” housed in a temporary body of flesh—that the real man is not the body, but an invisible, immaterial “immortal soul” that thinks, hears, sees and will consciously live on forever.

At death, according to the speculation of the ancients, the soul leaves the body and journeys to a nebulous realm, possibly paradise or a place of punishment. The body, they observed, goes to the grave.

the Jewish Encyclopedia explains: “The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal exponent, who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian and Egyptian views were strangely blended” .

The doctrine of the immortality of the soul, according to this respected encyclopedia, came from pre-Christian Greek philosophers who acquired it from pagan Egypt and Babylon!

Semper-Fi said:

So when the bible says [bone of my bones],
it should read [side of my side] by your view.

So God took flesh, then closed the hole with flesh?

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Um.. why are you talking about v23? I thought this was about v22 where "rib" is the subject used not "bone".. bone from what I recall is tzem.

v23 is a figure of speech not detailing the actual recipe of Eve's composition. This is to represent the intimate closeness man and woman, and how she equally shares what he has.

Semper-Fi said:

A soul is a living breathing thing,
Animals and man are both called souls.

The word “soul” is translated from Hebrew, the word nephesh. The Hebrew nephesh merely means a breathing animal.
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I'm not arguing about the existence of souls or what they are, none of what you said here is in context to the point I made.

This is just a factor as to why we God taking Adam's rib or adam side is completely literal. Please re-read that post, especially taking in the reference of Gen 1:26-28.

Cis.jd said:

While with Adam, after God formed him from dust he then created his living soul. The fact that this is left out in the second creation story suggests that Eve was created from something that already contained the breath of life and there was no need for God to do a new infusion.

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the breath of life apply to man and all air breathing animals. Not some spirit soul that God blew into The first man.

All animals breath air, to oxygenate the blood,
the life is in the blood, the bible says.

Genesis 7:15 (KJV)
And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
Genesis 6:17 (KJV)
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Semper-Fi said:

the breath of life apply to man and all air breathing animals. Not some spirit soul that God blew into The first man.

All animals breath air, to oxygenate the blood,
the life is in the blood, the bible says.

Genesis 7:15 (KJV)
And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
Genesis 6:17 (KJV)
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

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You are missing the point. Soul, the spirit, life force, whatever the fact is that the omission of this in the second version of the creation involving woman makes "side" more likely. We have Man created and given "the breathe of life" with Eve being built from his rib.

So how does she get her "breath of life"? Did God infuse a new one, doesn't say so.
Did it come with the rib, but it just says God took his rib and nothing else.

Additionally your quote of v23 makes even more apparent because of "flesh of my flesh". What is the flesh from when v22 says only the rib was removed?

All of these simple logical holes show why this all metaphorical and not literal.