Discussion Catalysts in Intercession

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I find in interceding and praying that some things aid confidence in answered prayer. Testimonies of how prayers were answered for other people in the past, Biblical past and modern day. Bible promises and gifts of the Spirit given promises. This results in me referring to God's arm, hand long arm, far reaching arm, his finger, his angels of light including guardian angels and his face towards us. I may also think of mentioning his feet in prayer.

I mention angels because they carry messages, and the Holy Spirit and are intelligent, or wise. Thinking that if someone is asleep, just praying for them to be covered in Jesus' sacred blood or be delivered from an unclean presence is roughshod. And we pray for people all around the world. Governments, Israel, China, India, Pakistan, Hungary, Russia the USA and Canada... Artists, writers, youth, pastors and head pastors...

There are guardian angels, a tradition of guardian angels of nations, angels that are always in God's panim, or face, and there are a vast number of holy angels that are available when God is asked, for their works. Many times in Global Awakening and other charismatic churches, angels are mentioned bringing oil. Six foot tall angels and nine foot tall angels. Angels with or without wings. Angels seen blowing fire on sicknesses which are healed. Small angels carrying prayers to God.

In another thread I can link here we discussed whether if in the Spirit you see God's hand, does one see a big hand or a holy angel? Surely the angels also know how to accurately minister, the graces, like sprinkling Jesus' sacred blood on relenting sinners... They can know from God, and we can ask for them to know even more, to work greater works. By tradition they have wisdom. An angel attended Jesus before he died and strengthened him, obviously with blessing from the Father.

I wanted to post this thread in the Catholic Charismatic forum but it is a closed group. I move with them and Pentecostals. I do not believe in praising and worshiping angels. I do not believe in speaking to them directly to pray to them instead of God, with the exception of praying the rosary with Catholics infrequently. I do not believe in transubstantiation.

Personally I think Michael and Gabriel probably both archangels are busy and have their work cut out for them. Gabriel of course delivered a great message to Mary and the seed! A powerful angel!

So I may ask in Jesus' name, for God's hand and face and angels frequently in prayer, but not ask the angels themselves and do not praise them... This helps me trust God, to answer prayers well. Like a catalyst.
 
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I am not Catholic but Orthodox. And I wouldn't describe myself anymore as "charismatic" but the Orthodox Church has maintained since the beginning the belief and experience of the working of the Holy Spirit (and angels).

I'm not sue if you're asking a question? But there are MANY eloquent prayers for all sorts of things that might be along the lines of what you are saying? (Such prayers are often very instructive.)

The Psalms are the prayerbook of the early Christians. Many prayers over the centuries have been saved, based on the Psalms and the experiences of the Saints.

The Psalms mention God in various ways such as you describe. Angels are mentioned but not that I recall in much detail describing their various sizes and such ... we must be careful not to focus overmuch on the angels but they are God's ministering spirits to us.

Just some random thoughts. Forgive me if I misunderstand the intent of your thread or post amiss for a forum not my own. (And if need be, I'll edit or remove any part of my post.)
 
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Charismatics are not from any particular denomination but they are gift-based and Holy Spirit as our guide believers.

Definition of Charismatic as it pertains to this forum:


The Divine Trinity is the only source from Whom messages are given. The Gifts of the Holy Spirit emanate from the Divine Trinity through the Holy Spirit. Departed christians, angels, or any other being are not involved in this work of God. We believe that the Holy Spirit, One of the Persons of Trinity, speaks forth the words and messages from either the Father or the Son.
 
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Charismatics are not from any particular denomination but they are gift-based and Holy Spirit as our guide believers.

Definition of Charismatic as it pertains to this forum:


The Divine Trinity is the only source from Whom messages are given. The Gifts of the Holy Spirit emanate from the Divine Trinity through the Holy Spirit. Departed christians, angels, or any other being are not involved in this work of God. We believe that the Holy Spirit, One of the Persons of Trinity, speaks forth the words and messages from either the Father or the Son.
That's why I mentioned the CCR forum being closed. And that angels are messengers, while it is not the particular of this section of CF it is universally Christian. And Pentecostals, of which I am one, have to have the study of angels in their text books and there are accounts of angels working in our churches.
 
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That's why I mentioned the CCR forum being closed. And that angels are messengers, while it is not the particular of this section of CF it is universally Christian. And Pentecostals, of which I am one, have to have the study of angels in their text books and there are accounts of angels working in our churches.
Yes it is Christian teaching, for instance angels rescuing christians from dangerous situations like in the case of Peter in prison. (was that the angel of the Lord? or just one of the minions?)
there are a vast number of holy angels that are available when God is asked, for their works.
There is no biblical basis in Christianity for asking God to avail the angels to anyone. Rather the teaching is to bring requests directly to the throne of grace so that He can help in times of need. The middle-man or mediator is Christ, not angels, as pointed out clearly in the book of Hebrews. To ask for anything but God’s wisdom on the situation is to place before Him a prayer that leans upon own’s own understanding of the way one would want Him to work it out for you.
Also, as long as we’re being non-biblical in our assertions in the Op, I think it may be that God deals directly with those who are of His Children, while allowing those who don’t abide in Him to receive help from more general sources. But that also is not specified in scripture.
 
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Yes it is Christian teaching, for instance angels rescuing christians from dangerous situations like in the case of Peter in prison. (was that the angel of the Lord? or just one of the minions?)
There is no biblical basis in Christianity for asking God to avail the angels to anyone. Rather the teaching is to bring requests directly to the throne of grace so that He can help in times of need. The middle-man or mediator is Christ, not angels, as pointed out clearly in the book of Hebrews. To ask for anything but God’s wisdom on the situation is to place before Him a prayer that leans upon own’s own understanding of the way one would want Him to work it out for you.
Also, as long as we’re being non-biblical in our assertions in the Op, I think it may be that God deals directly with those who are of His Children, while allowing those who don’t abide in Him to receive help from more general sources. But that also is not specified in scripture.
As Paul the apostle taught, we are free. So any good idea goes with me, unless I know a God idea. Bible testimonies lead me to pray in regards to angels. I do not ask for angels' wisdom, I think God made them with wisdom to carry out instructions. Better than praying right now for someone in need to be covered with Jesus' sacred blood, while however they are asleep, to pray right now for the angels concerned to carry the sacred blood and administer it soon. Ask the Father in Jesus' name.
 
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As Paul the apostle taught, we are free. So any good idea goes with me, unless I know a God idea. Bible testimonies lead me to pray in regards to angels. I do not ask for angels' wisdom, I think God made them with wisdom to carry out instructions. Better than praying right now for someone in need to be covered with Jesus' sacred blood, while however they are asleep, to pray right now for the angels concerned to carry the sacred blood and administer it soon. Ask the Father in Jesus' name.
Hmm, I admit I often pray for the good angels to have control over the airspace over my city, province and nation, so that’s somewhere that I do use that, but as for angels administering the blood of Christ, I think that’s taking it too far.
 
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Hmm, I admit I often pray for the good angels to have control over the airspace over my city, province and nation, so that’s somewhere that I do use that, but as for angels administering the blood of Christ, I think that’s taking it too far.
I think the angels normally administer the blood, but I am not sure. It can be considered that whenever a person repents, that their hearts are made clean, automatically by Jesus' powerful blood. Possibly every time someone repents, and angel applies Jesus' blood, maybe the guardian angel. Or another angel that always carries Jesus' sacred blood. I do not know.
 
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There are numerous verses in the Bible telling all of us that we are to be good soldiers of Jesus Christ and that we have to fight the good fight of faith. The need is to learn how to rise up in the power of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and learn how to spiritually defend ourselves using spiritual warfare techniques as given to us out of the Bible!

However there's no evidence that the early apostles ever appled the blood to heal, to cast out demons, or to get God’s basic protection on them. Never mind angels.


But the blood administered does give forgiveness


  1. “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:28)
  2. “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.” (Ephesians 1:7)
  3. “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been made near by the blood of Christ.” (Ephesians 2:13)
  4. “For the life of the flesh is in the blood … for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.” (Leviticus 17:11)

And deliverance


  1. “… that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.” (Hebrews 2:14)
  2. “He has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.” (Colossians 1:13)
  3. “Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.” (Colossians 2:15)
  4. “For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8)
  5. “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.” (Revelation 12:11)

Those who are saved and surrendered receive the protection just as those who applied the blood to their doors at the original Passover. At that time only the death angel was present. And it wasn’t the angels that applied it to the doors either. It was obedience.
 
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There are numerous verses in the Bible telling all of us that we are to be good soldiers of Jesus Christ and that we have to fight the good fight of faith. The need is to learn how to rise up in the power of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and learn how to spiritually defend ourselves using spiritual warfare techniques as given to us out of the Bible!

However there's no evidence that the early apostles ever appled the blood to heal, to cast out demons, or to get God’s basic protection on them. Never mind angels.


But the blood administered does give forgiveness


  1. “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:28)
  2. “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.” (Ephesians 1:7)
  3. “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been made near by the blood of Christ.” (Ephesians 2:13)
  4. “For the life of the flesh is in the blood … for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.” (Leviticus 17:11)

And deliverance


  1. “… that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.” (Hebrews 2:14)
  2. “He has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.” (Colossians 1:13)
  3. “Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.” (Colossians 2:15)
  4. “For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.” (1 John 3:8)
  5. “And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.” (Revelation 12:11)

Those who are saved and surrendered receive the protection just as those who applied the blood to their doors at the original Passover. At that time only the death angel was present. And it wasn’t the angels that applied it to the doors either. It was obedience.
It is a Pentecostal practice that we apply the blood, actual and local. Some believers have that talent of asking in faith and receiving. Jesus' powerful blood has to be applied or it is like it is non existent. And the person receiving must be focused and not confused, to receive it. It can be applied out of best order and accidentally rejected. With the hardening of the heart. So the believers in your quote, Rev 12:11 will apply the blood each day.

Pentecostals, and Spirit filled believers apply the blood of Jesus to open a person's heart so they can receive the Holy Spirit and to open a heart for deliverance from spirits. Jesus blood makes the heart clean and justified. It drives away fear, it gives spiritual life, is a life concept, and must fill the person to have real effect. So that is part of what Spirit Filled means.

We must not lose the Spirit filling part of being Spirit Filled Charismatic Christians.

We can't be limited to just a few words about the thirty years of Peter and Paul on mission. There is the Old Testament according to Paul, and using it like Paul who taught us from Moses not to muzzle the ox, and it means to allow offerings to missionaries. There is a wealth of scripture on the sprinkling of the blood of lambs... in the law... and back in 1992 there was a revival of the power of Jesus' blood, meaning teachings and prayers were done in regards to this.

It was applied to me first hand, and I was blessed. The blood was applied as I prayed at home after a telephone call to my priest's assistant. It fell accurately on certain parts of my presence. The Spirit of Christ at home or an angel I don't know.
 
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The experience of Charismatics is a renewing of the mind daily in the whole of the Word of God according to the specific promises along with the accompanying conditions applied. Deuteronomy 8:3

Jesus told Nathan he would see angels, normally we do not see in the Spirit, but they are there all along.
The Bethel dream experience that was first seen by Jacob was brought from the old to the new testament when Jesus said He is that point from which the angels ascend and descend.
 
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The experience of Charismatics is a renewing of the mind daily in the whole of the Word of God according to the specific promises along with the accompanying conditions applied. Deuteronomy 8:3


The Bethel dream experience that was first seen by Jacob was brought from the old to the new testament when Jesus said He is that point from which the angels ascend and descend.
Yes, renewal of the mind is crucial, and Deuteronomy 8:3 mentions bread, and Jesus took from this scripture and told us we need to eat the bread of life. It is a form of the Holy Spirit like living water, or the anointing, or fire of God. It is important that we have both the Spirit filling and the word of God.

The Charismatic saying goes, the word of God alone and you dry up, the Spirit of God alone and you blow up, the Spirit and the word together and you grow up.

And yes I agree, angels worked centrally around Jesus. He is now on the throne in Heaven, nevertheless the angels are active unseen, for God's services, evangelism...

Our Pastors may pray "fill him Lord, more power" or "more love"... Hence the name, Spirit Filled. Sometimes it is called soaking, in the Spirit.
 
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