ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

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Making up what? You are accusing me of lying without a shred of proof.
Ignatius of Antioch was a disciple of the Apostles in the 1st century. However, his written Epistles come from the early 2nd century in which I will be quoting from 108 A.D.

Since Ignatius was a disciple of the Apostle John, we now have a better understanding of what St.John meant in Rev.1:9-10:

The Lord's Day is what the early Christians called the first day of the week.

The Didache (also known as "The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles"), was written in the 1st century, even before the Ignatian Epistles, and is the earliest existing catechism for the church. Most scholars agree that the date of composition is between 50--70 A.D. The author of this catechism is unknown. But it is the earliest mention of Sunday (i.e., The Lord's Day) outside the Canon.

Though in 150 A.D. we would see Justin Martyr use the word Sunday for the first time in Christian history:

Again Justin Martyr mentions Sunday:

The Apostles kept the Lord's Day (i.e., Sunday) as the new Sabbath from the time Jesus rose on the first day of the week. There are about 8 verses in the New Testament which show them worshiping Christ on Sunday.

So what did I make up here? Are you trying to tell me these sources I quoted from...sources I own...don't exist?

SDAs say no Sunday before Constantine. I proved right from the Apostolic Succession that Christians have historically always worshiped on Sunday ever since the Resurrection of Christ.

John 4:34...to finish God's work. SDAs assume there was no unfinished work.

Soo, you have no scripture do you. Now while we are at it. Where does it say in God's WORD that Sunday or the first day of the week is the "LORDS DAY"? Can you show me. If not why not?
 
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Soo, you have no scripture do you. Now while we are at it. Where does it say in God's WORD that Sunday or the first day of the week is the "LORDS DAY"? Can you show me. If not why not?
I already proved all that. Now you show me where Jesus said not to listen to His Apostles.

SDAs deviate from the Apostolic Succession which means they are apostate. Any church that has left orthodoxy is lost. Sorry but we have Apostolic Tradition for a very good reason. The earliest traditions we have explain the meaning of "the Lord's Day" in Rev.1:9-10.

SDAs say no Sunday before Constantine...but I found Sunday observance before Constantine. Ellen White was not very educated in history. She, like every other Puritan, was a victim of Sola scriptura and the dubious notes of the poorly translated Geneva Bible.

I totally gave up on American home grown Protestantism. I studied early Christiant very well...well enough where I left all conspiracy driven churches. I'm a Catholic now and know enough about Catholicism to know SDAs are thoroughly clueless.
 
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LoveGodsWord said: Soo, you have no scripture do you. Now while we are at it. Where does it say in God's WORD that Sunday or the first day of the week is the "LORDS DAY"? Can you show me. If not why not?
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I already proved all that. Now you show me where Jesus said not to listen to His Apostles.

Really??? And where would that be?? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? Maybe I missed it. Perhaps you can provide a link? If you cannot provide a scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day why are you pretending that you have?
 
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SDAs deviate from the Apostolic Succession which means they are apostate. Any church that has left orthodoxy is lost. Sorry but we have Apostolic Tradition for a very good reason. The earliest traditions we have explain the meaning of "the Lord's Day" in Rev.1:9-10.

Really? Where does it say that we must follow apostolic succession over the Word of God in the scriptures? Now if PAUL states that after His departing Grievious wolves shall enter in among you not sparing the flock *ACTS:29. Not to mention all the WARNINGS in the NEW COVENANT of God's WORD that talk about all the false teachers seeking to DECEIVE many *2 TIMOTHY 3:13; MARK 13:5; EPHESIANS 4:14; EPHESIANS 5:6; 1 JOHN 3:7; MATTHEW 24:24 and the great FALLING away from the truth of God's WORD *2 THESSALONIANS 2:3, how can anyone know if they are following God's WORD or have been DECEIVED and have fallen away from the truth of God's WORD? God's WORD tells us how do you know the answer to these questions? Scripture please, only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.
 
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SDAs say no Sunday before Constantine...but I found Sunday observance before Constantine. Ellen White was not very educated in history. She, like every other Puritan, was a victim of Sola scriptura and the dubious notes of the poorly translated Geneva Bible.

Well that is not true brother. There you go with those false alegations again. Seems to be a habbit with you. Maybe you have been reading misinformation from others. No one I know teaches any such thing.
 
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I totally gave up on American home grown Protestantism. I studied early Christiant very well...well enough where I left all conspiracy driven churches. I'm a Catholic now and know enough about Catholicism to know SDAs are thoroughly clueless.

Thankyou for being honest. This explains a lot. I believe God has many of His people in the Roman Catholic Chuch that are living up to all the knowledge God has given them and before the 2nd Coming (or death), God is seeking to call His people out from following man made traditions that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9, to worship Him in Spirit and in truth *REVELATION 18:1-5; JOHN 4:23-24. I can understand why you do not like this thread. Thank you once again for being honest. This thread is not a threat to you but a blessing if you will receive God's WORD and BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

Why are you arguing against this thread when it is the very ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH alone that claims responsibility for the changing of the SABBATH as shown in it's own writings? (see posts # 629 linked; post # 630 linked). Do you not believe your own church's writings teachings?

I believe God's people are in every Church but God is calling us all out to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Do you believe these scriptures? It sounds like God is calling you back to His Word or this subject would not trouble you so much. Can you hear His Voice?

God's Sheep Hear His Voice (the Word of God)
 
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Thankyou for being honest. This explains a lot. I believe God has many of His people in the Roman Catholic Chuch that are living up to all the knowledge God has given them and before the 2nd Coming (or death), God is seeking to call His people out from following man made traditions that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9, to worship Him in Spirit and in truth *REVELATION 18:1-5; JOHN 4:23-24. I can understand why you do not like this thread. Thank you once again for being honest. This thread is not a threat to you but a blessing if you will receive God's WORD and BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

Why are you arguing against this thread when it is the very ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH alone that claims responsibility for the changing of the SABBATH as shown in it's own writings? (see posts # 629 linked; post # 630 linked). Do you not believe your own church's writings?

I believe God's people are in every Church but God is calling us all out to worship Him in Spirit and in truth. Do you believe these scriptures? It sounds like God is calling you back to His Word or this subject would not trouble you so much. Can you hear His Voice?

God's Sheep Hear His Voice (the Word of God)

Who said I was Roman Catholic? I am Protestant. I am Catholic. I am both. What am I? There is only one denomination that is both Catholic and Protestant. We do not see SDA as Protestant, but rather as Apostates.

God called me out of the SDA church. I left immediately. I saw the church was a lie and chose God over the lie. You ignore early tradition which means your traditions come from a much later date and not from the Apostolic Succession.

I have learned that a church that does not follow tradition is utterly worthless. I learned this by observing 20 years of fruitless & dullness doctrines and deeds coming from the SDA establishment. I left immediately upon reading the Ignatius Epistle. The Epistle is too early. I knew there had to be more to this Sabbath view than I understood. After lots of research and debate it all boils down to John 4:34. SDAs don't acknowledge the New Covenant...but Jesus does. Upon the cross Jesus said "It is finished" and 3 days later He rose from the dead, figurative at times referred to as the 8th day. The Christian Sabbath is Sunday. You may keep the traditional Jewish Sabbath but you are not celebrating life.

When I was an SDA we never even celebrated Easter on Sunday. There are reasons for why SDAs do these things. If you love God and His Word you'll leave the SDA church and the false prophetess that condemns them. You will leave and God will richly bless you with great wealth in the form of spiritual gifts. But if you are not honest with God He will turn away from you.

If SDA claims were true their churches would be better in every way. Truth is, SDA has a very high apostasy rate and a very high divorce rate. The divorce rate is from not venerating Mary. I never once recited the Magnificat as an SDA. Now I pray the Magnificat and the Rosary.
 
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Who said I was Roman Catholic? I am Protestant. I am Catholic. I am both. What am I?
Your said....
FEZZILLA said: I totally gave up on American home grown Protestantism. I studied early Christiant very well...well enough where I left all conspiracy driven churches. I'm a Catholic now and know enough about Catholicism to know SDAs are thoroughly clueless.
Yep seems like you said you are Catholic now.
God called me out of the SDA church. I left immediately. I saw the church was a lie and chose God over the lie.
No He didn't. The scriptures teach who liars are here in God's WORD *1 JOHN 2:3-4 if your interested.
You ignore early tradition which means your traditions come from a much later date and not from the Apostolic Succession.
JESUS also ignored early tradition and said all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God * MATTHEW 15:3-9. The Words of JESUS support this thread don't you think?

I noticed you have not anwered any of my questions to you. Is there a reason for that? You do not have to if you do not wish to, or if you do not know the answer to these questions just say so.

For the rest of your post you have only provided your own so there is no need for me to comment on your post. Our opinions do not really matter with God brother. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

Thanks for sharing though.
 
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Your said....

Yep seems like you said you are Catholic now.

Seems like your mind is stuck in total extremes. I am a Protestant and a devout Catholic at the same time in the same place without contradiction. Surely being one of the world's top scholars of all world knowledge you can tell me what church I belong to? I am both 100% Catholic and 100% Protestant.

No He didn't. The scriptures teach who liars are here in God's WORD *1 JOHN 2:3-4 if your interested.

Actually God did Personally see to it that I left the SDA church. God has plans for me and the SDA church is a spiritual burden between me and God. It wasn't hard to leave. Cannot think of a good reason to stay? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, or a scam artist, and I hate lies. The SDA church embodied everything the Holy Spirit detests as none of them have my faith and if they did they would leave at Sunday before Constantine.

JESUS also ignored early tradition and said all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God * MATTHEW 15:3-9. The Words of JESUS support this thread don't you think?

Show me where Jesus said not to listen to His Apostles..


2 Thessalonians 2:15
"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
 
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Seems like your mind is stuck in total extremes. I am a Protestant and a devout Catholic at the same time in the same place without contradiction. Surely being one of the world's top scholars of all world knowledge you can tell me what church I belong to? I am both 100% Catholic and 100% Protestant.
I just quoted you saying that your a Catholic now. They were your words not mine. How can you be a Catholic and a Protestant now? The both teach different things. Maybe you did not realise.
Actually God did Personally see to it that I left the SDA church. God has plans for me and the SDA church is a spiritual burden between me and God. It wasn't hard to leave. Cannot think of a good reason to stay? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, or a scam artist, and I hate lies. The SDA church embodied everything the Holy Spirit detests as none of them have my faith and if they did they would leave at Sunday before Constantine.
No He didn't. As posted earlier God's Word teaches who liars are *1 JOHN 2:3-4.
Show me where Jesus said not to listen to His Apostles..
Why would I need to? Maybe you did not read what you were responding to. JESUS was talking to the Pharisees (not the Apostles) and the teachings and traditions of men that brake the commandments of God. *MATTHEW 15:3-9. I suggest you read the attached scriptures before posting next time.

Thanks for sharing.
 
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I just quoted you saying that your a Catholic now. They were your words not mine. How can you be a Catholic and a Protestant now? The both teach different things. Maybe you did not realise.

I'm just gonna stop here. You know nothing about other denominations outside of your own. They give you tracks on other churches and you think you have the knowledge. But you know nothing about the Protestant movement. Nothing whatsoever. You are part of a denomination that deliberately sows division among believers and detest the word Catholic.

I'm from the oldest English speaking church there is...the Anglican Catholic Church, aka, the Church of England. Anglicans are Protestant and Anglicans are Catholic. Its the Church that translated all our best and most accurate English Bibles, the 1535 Coverdale Bible, 1537 Matthew's Bible, 1539 Great Bible, 1568 Bishop's Bible, 1611 King James Bible. Anglicans are also known for their liturgy in the Book of Common Prayer.

The Anglican Church didn't follow after the vile Puritan movement. They turned on William Tyndale who started the who Protestant movement in England. They corrupted his renderings and made several errors in their Geneva Bible. The notes started every 19th century cult, including the SDAs.

The true Protestant movement was Martin Luther, Myles Coverdale, William Tyndale, John Rogers, Thomas Cranmer and Thomas Cromwell. They opposed the RCC because, like today, they do not uphold tradition. But like SDAs, have gone off and invented a new tradition, one that the early church fathers would not recognize.

SDAs say they don't follow tradition. Well you reject Christian history by your rejection. SDAs have no history. If the quote from the church fathers then they can accuse each other of being Catholic. SDAs have no history outside the shallow realms of conspiracy theory. So all your history is based on conspiracy. Nothing is true.
 
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The Sabbath Law was given only to Israel as a sign between God and Israel forever. The Sabbath was not given to Egypt or Greece, Rome, Babylon etc. It was given only to Israel.


Romans 2:14-15 English Standard Version (ESV)
14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them

The Gentiles did not even have the Mosaic Law. SDAs think becoming a Christian is about becoming a Jew. This is not true. The Christian only has to follow the NT commands. The OT covenant is fulfilled and Christians do not observe it and neither do SDAs. Do SDAs stone people for breaking the Sabbath? No, they do not keep the laws about stoning.

Do SDAs hold Easter on Sunday? No?
Do SDAs pray the Magnificat? No?
Do SDAs hold Communion service every Week? No?
DO SDAs use wine for Communion? No?
Why not?
 
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I'm just gonna stop here. You know nothing about other denominations outside of your own.

Well that is not true. I studied God's Word before I decided where I should go to Church because I knew not all could be right, how about you? But I do believe God's WORD teaches he has His people in every Church that have not rejected His Word and are living up to all the knowledge God has given them.
They give you tracks on other churches and you think you have the knowledge. But you know nothing about the Protestant movement. Nothing whatsoever. You are part of a denomination that deliberately sows division among believers and detest the word Catholic.

I'm from the oldest English speaking church there is...the Anglican Catholic Church, aka, the Church of England. Anglicans are Protestant and Anglicans are Catholic. Its the Church that translated all our best and most accurate English Bibles, the 1535 Coverdale Bible, 1537 Matthew's Bible, 1539 Great Bible, 1568 Bishop's Bible, 1611 King James Bible. Anglicans are also known for their liturgy in the Book of Common Prayer.

The Anglican Church didn't follow after the vile Puritan movement. They turned on William Tyndale who started the who Protestant movement in England. They corrupted his renderings and made several errors in their Geneva Bible. The notes started every 19th century cult, including the SDAs.

The true Protestant movement was Martin Luther, Myles Coverdale, William Tyndale, John Rogers, Thomas Cranmer and Thomas Cromwell. They opposed the RCC because, like today, they do not uphold tradition. But like SDAs, have gone off and invented a new tradition, one that the early church fathers would not recognize.

SDAs say they don't follow tradition. Well you reject Christian history by your rejection. SDAs have no history. If the quote from the church fathers then they can accuse each other of being Catholic. SDAs have no history outside the shallow realms of conspiracy theory. So all your history is based on conspiracy. Nothing is true.
The rest of your post here is simply your words which are not God's WORD so no need to respond to these allegations that have no truth in them. Did you have any scriptures to share? You seem very angry. Are you ok brother?
 
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The Sabbath Law was given only to Israel as a sign between God and Israel forever. The Sabbath was not given to Egypt or Greece, Rome, Babylon etc. It was given only to Israel.

Romans 2:14-15 English Standard Version (ESV)

The Gentiles did not even have the Mosaic Law. SDAs think becoming a Christian is about becoming a Jew. This is not true. The Christian only has to follow the NT commands. The OT covenant is fulfilled and Christians do not observe it and neither do SDAs. Do SDAs stone people for breaking the Sabbath? No, they do not keep the laws about stoning.

Do SDAs hold Easter on Sunday? No?
Do SDAs pray the Magnificat? No?
Do SDAs hold Communion service every Week? No?
DO SDAs use wine for Communion? No?
Why not?

Well that is not true. Who is God's ISREAL and who is a JEW in the NEW COVENANT according to God's WORD? Do you know? (scripture please). Do you know what SIN is and why God has given us the 10 Commandments?
 
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Well that is not true. Who is God's ISREAL and who is a JEW in the NEW COVENANT according to God's WORD? Do you know? (scripture please). Do you know what SIN is and why God has given us the 10 Commandments?
The Sabbath law was made for the Jews only. That law never existed prior to the Exodus. That Law was not given to the gentiles. I've read the entire Bible so I understand these things. I've never met an SDA that actually read the Bible. They read Ellen White and then claim they read the Bible. Ellen White was wrong about a great many things. In the NT Sunday is the Sabbath. This is especially more noticeable in gentile nations who become Christians. They still had to keep a day holy as a Sabbath but they all knew Sunday was the day of total victory. So Sunday is a celebration of eternal life.

Sunday is not the mark of the beast. Islam is the beast and the Qur'an openly admits this, the number is understood in Arabic
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The Sabbath law was made for the Jews only. That law never existed prior to the Exodus. That Law was not given to the gentiles. I've read the entire Bible so I understand these things. I've never met an SDA that actually read the Bible. They read Ellen White and then claim they read the Bible. Ellen White was wrong about a great many things. In the NT Sunday is the Sabbath. This is especially more noticeable in gentile nations who become Christians. They still had to keep a day holy as a Sabbath but they all knew Sunday was the day of total victory. So Sunday is a celebration of eternal life.

Sunday is not the mark of the beast. Islam is the beast and the Qur'an openly admits this, the number is understood in Arabic
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Hmmm.. nope. Your ignoring the questions asked of you again. Who is a God's ISRAEL and who is a JEW in the NEW COVENANT according to God's WORD? (Scripture please).

Also, who does JESUS say that the SABBATH was made for *MARK 2:27? I do not know of any JEWS being around at creation do you? Where there JEWS around at creation? Unrepentant SIN is the MARK of the BEAST when it is forced under civil law. Do you know what sin is? Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts though.
 
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Hmmm.. nope. Your ignoring the questions asked of you again. Who is a God's ISRAEL and who is a JEW in the NEW COVENANT according to God's WORD? (Scripture please).

Also, who does JESUS say that the SABBATH was made for *MARK 2:27? I do not know of any JEWS being around at creation do you? Where there JEWS around at creation? Unrepentant SIN is the MARK of the BEAST when it is forced under civil law. Do you know what sin is? Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

There is no Sabbath Law given to man before the Exodus. Most of us are gentiles and were never under the Mosaic covenant. The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. But you SDAs read man was made for the Sabbath not he Sabbath for man. In her book "The Great Controversy" Ellen White says Sunday keepers are not saved and the SDAs will cheer when God eternally condemns all 2000+ years of beast people. Totally warped. SDAs believe the Jesuits sunk the Titanic. But when you reject all history to formulate your own that's when you leave Christianity and enter into mysticism and the occult. SDAs don't accept history therefore they reject the whole of education.

Sunday is not the mark of the beast. I can't believe anyone would believe that :sweatsmile: I was an SDA 20 years and they finally tell me one day "Oh, by the way, Sunday is the mark of the beast" :flushed: I totally left and never came back. I cut all ties with SDAs. That's what you do, leave and immediately sever all ties. This includes your closest friend in the church. Because if you don't sever all ties with them they will all try and work together to destroy your life. So you don't have a friend if you leave that cult.

Orthodox Christianity only. The Orthodox Church keeps Sunday therefore that is the day. The Orthodox Church follows the Apostolic Succession. The SDAs follow false prophets like William Miller and E.G.White who were not approved workman by the church. They had no ties to the ancient church at all. So everything is all new made up theology.

You have the gull to ask me questions after not answering mine? You have also been rude by not reading posts. I found Sunday before Constantine and you want to just brush that off. A major claim...the claim of claims: Constantine changed the Sabbath to Sunday! Yet we find Sunday observance in the oldest 1st century catechism. We find Sunday observance in the early 2nd century with Ignatius of Antioch. The mid 2nd century we see Justin Martyr mention Sunday observance. But you say none of those people are not Christians but were all Sunday beast people.

So who do SDAs point to as the true ancient Christians? Oh, I forgot, all church history began with the SDA movement. :unamused:
 
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There is no Sabbath Law given to man before the Exodus.
I noticed you have been trying to avoid answering all the questions asked of you dear brother after I had answered yours. I can understand why because if we honestly answer these questions you would have understand your error. These questions have only been sent in love and as a help to you. You are free to believe as you wish. I do not judge you. God will be our judge come judment day. So as a help to the discussion I will answer these questions and some of your claims for you and for anyone that may be reading along.

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Q1. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Answer: There is NO SCRIPTURE! There is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 commandments that in the NEW COVENANT gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. There is also not a single scripture says in God's WORD that we are to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This teaching is a tradition of man that breaks God's 4th commandment. According to Gods WORD in the NEW COVENANT if we KNOWINGLY break one of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *ROMANS 7:7 and breaking all of God's LAW *JAMES 2:10-11. According to God's Word in the NEW COVENANT all those who continue in known unrepentant sin do not enter the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 3:31; HEBREWS 10:26-27.

So dear brother. If there is no scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and no scrioture that says we are to keep Sunday as a Holy day, than why do you follow this tradition and teaching handed down to protestantism by the Roman Catholic Church that has lead many to break the commandment od God?

JESUS says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God ....

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who should we believe and follow; JESUS or the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God? I know who I BELIEVE how about you?

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

Thanks for sharing though.
 
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There is no Sabbath Law given to man before the Exodus.

Your claim earlier is that God's Sabbath of law was only for the the JEWS or ISRAEL. This will be answered from the scriptures alone in two parts. Part 1 will show who God's ISRAEL and what a JEW is under the NEW COVENANT. Part 2 will show that God's LAW was known to mankind BEFORE Exodus as you claim....

Q2.
Who is ISRAEL and who is a JEW in the NEW COVENANT? (Part 1)

Answer: The name "Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

ISRAEL (God’s new name given to Jacob) had 12 sons which make up the 12 tribes of ISRAEL

GENESIS 35:22-26 [22], ... Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: [23], The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun: [24], The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin: [25], And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali: [26], And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher: these are the sons of Jacob, who were born to him in Paddanaram.

God’s promise of the NEW COVENANT is to ISRAEL…

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32], Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; my covenant which they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD: [33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

144, 000 Come out of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL…

REVELATION 7:3-8 [3], Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. [4], And I heard the number of them who were sealed: and there were sealed a hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. [5], Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6], Of the tribe of Asher were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh were sealed twelve thousand. [7], Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8], Of the tribe of Zebulun were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Now we have shown the origin of the name ISRAEL let's look at the scripture in detail in the NEW COVENANT scripture to see who God's ISRAEL is...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

[12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

Now wait for it; Who is a JEW in the NEW COVENANT?

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in to God's true ISRAEL *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT. GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. IF the name ISRAEL is only a name given by GOD to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW him (His children) then all those in the NEW COVENANT are God's ISRAEL. As you state in your own WORDS and your own reasoning; God's eternal law (10 Commandments) including God's 4th commandment that gives us a knowledge of what sin is in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 3:20 therefore is given to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD! Are you a part of God's ISRAEL? Then if so God's 4th Commandment which is one of God's 10 commandment is still for God's people. So in concluding and as PAUL says; "So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath. *HEBREWS 4:9

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL today we have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise that was given to God's ISRAEL*HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

Hope this helps.
 
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There is no Sabbath Law given to man before the Exodus.
Q3. Did God's people know about the SABBATH and God's 10 commandments BEFORE Mt Sinia and was the Sabbath only for the JEW?

Answer: JESUS says that the SABBATH was made for mankind he never says anywhere that the Sabbath was made only for the JEW because there were NO JEWS when the SABBATH was created for all MANKIND....

MARK 2:27 [27], And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath.

The GREEK Word being used here for MAN is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos whicch means "Human beings".

Man was created on the 6th day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:26-31. God's SABBATH rest was created on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3. Now if God created the SABBATH for mankink like JESUS says and mankind starting with ADAM and EVEN then ADAM and EVE would have known about and kept the SABBATH. There was NO JEWS and NO ISRAEL when the SABBATH was made and BEFORE the written WORD there was the spoken WORD of God handed down from generation to generation.

How did God's people know about God's 4th Commandment before God's Commandments were written on the two tables of stone at Mt Sinai (EXODUS 20:1:17) when they were already keeping it before God gave the 10 commandments written on stone if they did not know God's LAW *EXODUS 16:23?

BEFORE ISRAEL and before any JEWS we read...

GENESIS 26:5 [5],

Because that ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE AND KEPT MY CHARGE, MY COMMANDMENTS, MY STATUTES AND MY LAWS.

The Hebrew word used here for LAW is תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh; From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

All BEFORE Mt Sinai.

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CONCLUSION
: As shown through the scriptures alone above God created the SABBATH for ALL MANKIND. Before the written Word of God there was the Spoken Word of God. God's people kept His laws BEFORE the written God of God handed down from God through Moses at Mt Sinia.
Can you see your error here brother?

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. If you need more scripture on this topic please let me know as there is a lot more that has not been posted.

Hope this helps.
 
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